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GrammatonCleric , (edited )
@GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world avatar

I live in the city, so I never see stars anyway. I say bring on the Blade Runner vibes!

EDIT: Sorry if I offended anyone with a little joke. I’ll stop trying to be funny.

pimento64 ,

https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/29d2ade1-81d6-4f02-88e6-d4d56b1c0653.webm

MsPenguinette ,

They should project the night sky into city skies. As long as it doesn’t add significantly to light pollution, I wouldn’t be suprised if that would be good for people’s mental health

Poggervania ,
@Poggervania@kbin.social avatar

Or we could introduce more strict light pollution laws instead. Big Island has some of the most beautiful night skies and it’s because they basically have to mandate using sodium lights to keep the light pollution super low for the telescopes on Mauna Kea.

DarthBueller ,

The fact that cities are continuing to buy white streetlights that have intense green spectrum emissions despite light-pollution being a widespread and well-known issue, is beyond me. Even if you’re going for the energy efficiency of LEDs over the monochromatic sodium lights, it is not cost prohibitive to slightly adjust the spectrum. Instead we have stupidly bright lights high in green light that blow out night vision, that then break and turn purple. It pisses me off to no end.

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

i mean we could also just institute light pollution measures like many places worldwide already have, but i guess that’s not as cool

toasteecup ,

Oh cool, a marketing person played horizon zero dawn forbidden West and decided Vegas holograms were a great idea.

Wogi ,

Or cyberpunk. Or watched Blade Runner.

Sky holograms are pretty common in corpo dystopia fiction. And maybe future non fiction. Jesus

Chariotwheel ,

I mean, we have some clear aspects of what was feared. I think the closest country currently is South Korea, given how powerful the corporations are there.

It goes to the point where the main thing young people work towards is the Samsung Aptitude Test, there are whole cities that basically just belong to Samsung. From the factory to the supermarkets where the factory workers shop to the flats the workers live in and spend their time off using Samsung devices.

captainlezbian ,

So company towns that haven’t started issuing scrip yet. My country tried that for a while. It ended in literal class warfare.

toasteecup ,

I’m curious what country, I want to learn up on some history.

captainlezbian ,

United States. Look into Appalachian coal miner union history. The company towns were part of the story but not the whole of the exploitation of the workers. The Battle of Blair Mountain is the most famous incident. Also the music involved fucking slaps.

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NThsT7M4uA

toasteecup ,

Time for a deep dive, even taking APUSH we really only scratched the surface of this incident. I know even to know the workers were truly wage slaves but I don’t know all of the gory details.

captainlezbian ,

Yeah that makes sense. They were absolutely kept in economic bondage, with brutal treatment. And when they resisted tensions escalated. They matched to unionize and the bosses brought in mercenaries. Gunfire was exchanged, and at times machine guns were mounted to trains or nested in mountains to stop strikers. Teenagers charged them.

It’s worth learning more. If for no other reason than because Appalachia is a special part of the country that’s often misunderstood and it helps put their distrust of outsiders into context

captainlezbian ,

The problem with cyberpunk fiction is that some people have no media literacy and a lot of money and decide their company should do things from their favorite stories.

Zoboomafoo ,
@Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world avatar

My problem is that it’s too real to enjoy

InvaderDJ ,

Lack of media literacy is becoming a huge problem for society. People either think fiction is reality or just literally don’t understand satire, parody, and cautionary tales.

SnipingNinja ,

The Torment Nexus meme is too real

Chariotwheel ,

I keep laughing when Palanthir comes up. Like, why name your surveillance company after these things that were used for bad in the stories.

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

When i learned that there is an actual real life food company that’s called “soylent” i just felt like going to bed and skipping the next couple days, like what the fuck

doctorcrimson ,

You’re telling me that in 2013 somebody made a company with the same name as a fictional company in 1966 novel Make Room Make Room! about overcrowded earth and the 1977 movie Soylent Green wherein they FEED PEOPLE TO OTHER PEOPLE AND LIE ABOUT IT?

That’s pretty awful. I feel like that’s the absolute bottom of the barrel desperation for exposure. Why didn’t they just call it LentSoya or something?

Anticorp ,

Because they’re not trying to hide what they are. They’re telling people clear as day, and people are still trying to wrap their heads around it, inventing all sorts of excuses for the behavior of obviously evil companies.

raubarno ,

Well, image in the picture really looks like ads from WALL-E, especially those on an Axiom spaceship’s ‘fake sky’.

The_Picard_Maneuver ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

This is the first time I’ve seen the original tweet without Johnny Silverhand

https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/7ea40963-6526-439f-85a1-8e02c917fda2.png

andrew_bidlaw ,

It’s way better without him. Take my hug 🤗 for enduring this cringe.

new_guy ,

But the Michelin balloon tho

expatriado ,

i remember reading about this idea on the paper in the 80s. i think the loggistics of launching such a large structure to orbit, just achieve bad PR would be have terrible ROI

CarbonIceDragon ,
@CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social avatar

I imagine if done irl it wouldn’t be one solid space structure, but instead something like a ground based projector operating on cloudy nights, projecting an ad into the bottom of the cloud layer, or if actually in space, an array of satellites that each act as a “pixel”, with a laser that they can shine at a city or location that they want the ad visible from.

ProfessorProteus ,
@ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world avatar

Fortunately for us, this wouldn’t actually work that way. Rather, each of the individual satellites would have a different orbit so the image wouldn’t remain consistent, but instead converge into a point and invert itself on the other side of the Earth before coming back together again and repeating this process until they start colliding with one another or decay into the atmosphere. That is, unless each “pixel” made constant adjustments throughout the orbit, which would be a colossal waste of fuel.

Disclaimer: this is based only on my intuition from 780+ hours of Kerbal Space Program. I am not a scientist and I’ve never studied orbital mechanics.

Airazz ,

No need to launch anything, just use a powerful projector aimed at the cloud layer.

Like the Bat signal.

starman2112 ,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

A large projector, in a single easily bombed location

Jaysyn ,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

DItto.

I'll start hunting ad executives for sport.

synceDD ,
@synceDD@lemmy.world avatar

You wont do shit keyboard warrior lmao, go grab a coke now

CADmonkey ,

…says the rando with his keyboard

synceDD ,
@synceDD@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not the one who threatened to do anything? u like being contrarian or just lacking reading comprehension?

dditty ,

I’ve often thought that in another life I would be an EcoTerrorist. So if this happens I’ll be right there with ya 💣

sudo22 ,
@sudo22@lemmy.world avatar

Bird shot from a long barrel should reach high enough, and the descending pellets would do minimal damage to property and people.

Shouldn’t need a ton of power from the shot, just enough for the drone rotors to smack into and snap.

Tb0n3 ,

I had the very same gut response as Lauren.

clay_spine ,

All the birds are dead in the future.

MelodiousFunk ,
@MelodiousFunk@kbin.social avatar

Good riddance. Goddamn spies.

Lifecoach5000 ,

Pigeons are liars.

Bipta ,

Everything's chrome dead in the future!

explodicle ,

Finishing the job from 65 million years ago.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I think we need to root out these hidden dinosaurs once and for all.

Bahnd ,

Bird watching goes both ways.

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

Many people like to say that if they had a time machine they would go back and kill Hitler or some other valiant act of heroism that would prevent the death of millions.

Yet when faced with the real possibility of killing (or even just properly holding accountable - removal from society, redistribution of resources of) an individual now, who is already responsible for millions of deaths by virtue of withholding resources alone, never mind the active oppression and exploitation of billions that go in to maintaining the system that allows them their power, people suddenly become squeamish.

But not even at the idea of them doing it, but at the idea of anyone doing it (to the point of actively opposing it), and that's just so fucking frustrating, that people can't see the glaringly obvious dictators "of tomorrow", who already literally control everything and are actively getting away with a lot shit directly out of the fascist playbook today, how anyone can still deny it to themselves just blows my mind.

We're never going to get a better future as long as so many people refuse to accept that we're never going to be given it by those living the high life off of our backs.

solarvector ,

Not to take away from anything you just said, but it’s a different thing to claim you would do something in an impossible and hypothetical scenario, than to name a currently powerful person and say you’d make them dead if you could.

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

But not even at the idea of them doing it, but at the idea of anyone doing it

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

The difference is that I can look up a moment in history when Hitler was vulnerable and then kill him with zero consequences.

There would be a lot of consequences for killing anyone today, and it’d be really hard to kill anyone that matters.

LemmysMum ,

The most difficult tasks are the most rewarding.

Rodeo ,

That begets the question, why do you feel okay with murder when there are no consequences?

Were you to find yourself in such a situation with say the CEO of Nestle or Nike, or Rupert Murdoch, or whomever you fancy, where you suddenly realize you have an opportunity to murder that person without consequence, would you do so?

queermunist , (edited )
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

I’d prefer they be sent to work camps to pay for their crimes - execution is a waste of resources

But if you’re talking about a situation where “press this magic button an Elon Musk dies” well~

Rodeo ,

It was a rhetorical question meant to prompt you into a moral or philosophical justification.

But for the record, I more or less agree with your position.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Okay, but like, I don’t want to outright say it because I’m pretty sure the people I hate are watching for that sort of thing 😅

doctorcrimson ,

It’s like having a mouse squirming in a trap and knowing it must be hit and put out of its’ misery but all your muscles amount to nothing while looking at it’s tiny frame. Can’t do it, bro, just can’t do it.

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

But not even at the idea of them doing it, but at the idea of anyone doing it

deweydecibel ,

Not that I disagree but it’s absolutely fucking exhausting to come into the comment sections of a post like this and find a comment basically dropping a prepared lecture on something tangentially related because you saw a highly upvoted post involving something capitalism-adjacent and decided to set up your soapbox.

Like, could you at least try to act like the comment is actually in response to the content of the post. Slip one line in there about “ads” or “night sky” or something, anything, that makes it sound like you’re genuinely responding to the post and not just deploying the speech you had in your back pocket.

jetsetdorito ,

it’s only a matter of time before they start slapping ads on the Vegas sphere

Anticorp ,

I think we’re talking weeks or months here, not years.

_number8_ ,

lauren is a great twitter follow

blindbunny ,

Only bootlickers still use xitter

madmax666 ,

With any luck, hackers will turn them into penises

buzz86us ,

I guess 2015 came late

JohnDClay ,

How was the original proposal supposed to work? The only space add concepts I’ve seen have been a camera recording a screen with adds in space, essentially using the earth as a fancy background.

SlopppyEngineer ,

50 cubesats are planned. Each satellite would unfurl a 32 square meter sail that reflects the sun. Each sat forms a pixel and by getting into the right direction they can show s logo. Because it needs the sun to work it would only work at sunset over the target city.

JohnDClay ,

Hmm, 50 pixels in one color for a few minutes for one day for a few minutes seems like little return for a lot of work. Let’s hope it remains economicaly infeasible. Because space treaties for anything takes forever.

JokeDeity ,

Gonna’ have to see your source on this one.

JokeDeity ,

Gonna’ have to see your source on this one.

SlopppyEngineer ,

futurism.com/startrocket-giant-ads-night-sky-cube…

JokeDeity ,

🙁

Anticorp ,

Idk, but they can do this now with drones.

Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

Full terrorist might be a bit much, but I wouldn’t be opposed to punching holes in packaging of the advertised products.

If the trend caught on at a large enough scale to just mildly vandalize space-billboard products, that shit would stop in a hurry.

…hell we should do that with regular billboards too - gimme my scenery back!

American_Communist22 ,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

you say terrorism bad then advise terrorism lol

Okokimup ,
@Okokimup@lemmy.world avatar

Terrorism and vandalism are not the same thing.

American_Communist22 ,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

so destruction of property for the purpose of political agitation is just as chill as spray painting the side of a rusted train? wow the world has changed

Skates ,

One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. Calling the act of fighting back against corporations “terrorism” doesn’t make the act itself bad or wrong, nor does it dissuade anyone from carrying it out, it’s just virtue signalling to show everyone else which side of the fence you’re positioning yourself on. The wrong side.

American_Communist22 ,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

oh silly I’m from lemmygrad, I am definitely on the side of terrorism. I just want the terms defined properly, because hiding your terms and aims behind vague descriptions is ill-advised and will lead to disaster. Do not desensitize political action, realize what it is, and agree with it.

Rockyrikoko ,

Companies ≠ Government

American_Communist22 ,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

The government is tied to corporations. The Government exists to carry out the will of the monopolies, and reign in the populace. Throwing billions of dollars to corrupt politicians to carry out their aims does not a democracy make.

Okokimup ,
@Okokimup@lemmy.world avatar

I can play this game too. Oh so murdering people for the sake of a political agenda is just as chill as damaging property?

American_Communist22 ,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

damaging property is nothing. Especially the property of the rich use to try to delude us

humans are a different matter, but if your existence relies on the exploitation of the earth, I think they’ve declared war against every other person alive. Politics is a reflection of human wills and goals, not some thing you snark at from your couch scrolling tiktok. Politics is every thought and idea of change and invention. Every murder is a political murder. If it is a man who beat his wife to death that is a reinforcement of patriarchy. If a driver falls asleep at the wheel and hits a biker, that is a result of capitalist overworking and insufficient bike infrastructure.

All of this is a direct result of capitalism, which the rich enforce the corrupt and aged economy with their wealth. These passive deaths are also murder, so should we just do nothing? Just wait for the same people who’ve enslaved the world to free us because we asked? You have morals, they would not think twice about killing everyone you know if it meant defending their wealth. Do not allow them to have all the power because of a false morality.

Okokimup ,
@Okokimup@lemmy.world avatar

Did you reply to the wrong person?

American_Communist22 ,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

no

Shinhoshi ,
@Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml avatar

@Sterile_Technique, I propose a solution to this conundrum:

  • Terrorizing bourgeoisie = good
  • Terrorizing proletariat = bad
American_Communist22 ,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

exactly

Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

I like it. Sign me up.

Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

Would that constitute terrorism? I thought that was just limited to political goals, not consumer shit.

If yes, then terrorist that shit up!

American_Communist22 ,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

lets fuckin goooooooooooooooooooooooo

jaybone ,

People are saying terrorism.

This sounds more like vandalism.

There’s quite a bit of difference.

Liz ,

Billboards really ought to be illegal.

phoenixz ,

And now we have mega led tv billboards that flash their content blindingly in your eyes from miles away, yay!

ItsMeSpez ,

Full terrorist might be a bit much

I disagree. A society that sells the night sky to private interest deserves to burn.

Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

…on second thought… yeah.

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