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sharkfucker420 ,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

Would genuinely break this on sight

Death_Equity ,

Turn off the valve, service call them to bankruptcy.

systemglitch ,

Anything that requires an app for payment is something I never use. No exceptions so far.

xia ,

REEEEEE

abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

I don’t quite understand the issue here. The tap water is still free and doesn’t require anything, just press the button. They added an extra feature that is paid, which requires maintenance and power to run. I can see how it could be paid by the venue hosting this device, but you can’t really blame the provider.

nekusoul ,
@nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de avatar

Personally it’s the part where it requires an app and a subscription with no option to just insert a damn coin. Apart from being needlessly complex it also shuts out people who don’t have a smartphone or don’t want to install random crap.

deadsenator ,
@deadsenator@lemmy.ca avatar

It is the app that makes them the sweet money. It will scrape your device for useful information (which you agreed was a-okay in the TOS simply by installing) and then sell that data multiple times over. This is why companies want an app for every damn thing.

abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

Apps can’t “scrape your device for useful information”. Modern apps are sandboxed and only have access to what you gave them permission to. Usually, they just gather the information from within the app. What you clicked, when you clicked, why you clicked, etc. If you give the app permission to location data and contacts, then they’ll grab those, too, but you always have the option not to.

This is why companies, like Google, Amazon, Meta, try to push their own devices, they can have full access to your data.

abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

Sure, it’s a fair criticism that they are trying to push a subscription. Coin is a little archaic, I personally never even have cash with me, but they could have an NFC tap for a single purchase.

But their subscription approach also makes sense and would benefit some frequent visitors. I assume it means you can use the subscription on all of their machines. And there’s simply no easy way of doing that other than using an app. Could be a web app with QR code, I suppose.

nekusoul ,
@nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de avatar

Yup, it’s the lack of options that’s bothering me. It’s either tap water or a full blown app+subscription, nothing inbetween.

The reason I mentioned coins is because I think that cash should always remain an option even though I’m personally almost always using digital payments as well.

Fluffy_Ruffs , (edited )

I honestly don’t have a problem with this so long as the tap water is clean and drinkable. Everyone should have free access to clean drinking water. If it has to be filtered and chilled to a crisp cool temperature for you to drink it? Yeah, you can pay for that. That’s a luxury.

Refrigeration takes energy and filters produce waste so I see it as fair charging a price for convenience.

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

but tbf that costs money.
cooling down takes a lot of electricity and filters need replacement pretty frequently and they’re not cheap.
doesn’t justify a fucking subscription tho, this shoud just accept like a coin per cup or something

Alenalda ,

Remember the fountains we had back in middle school? If I could pay 2$ a month to get water from a fountain that the grossest kids in school didn’t stick their mouths around, I probably would

smileyhead ,

No Google Play or App Store?

Oh, I’m so sorry, no fresh water for you.

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

REE!

StaySquared ,

You know what’s beautiful about capitalism?

You, the consumer… you can control the producer. How? By NOT investing into their products and services.

Until next time!

umbraroze ,

You know what’s even more beautiful about capitalism?

When national (and multinational) legislation sets extremely high standards for drinking water providers. So high, in fact, that tech bros just go “you know, I have no idea how to improve on that”. So they don’t launch their shitty product here in the first place.

Until next time!

undergroundoverground ,

Nothing about capitalism is beautiful.

In the real world, some wealthy, work shy scrounger, born to wealth, will decide that they like the idea of gouging people as much as possible for water. As such, they’ll lobby the government to make sure its the only product available. Or, they’ll buy out all the competitors, making it the only product available.

Thats because capitalism ruins everything it comes into contact with.

StaySquared ,

The issue then is lobbyist / money in politics.

undergroundoverground ,

But we can’t have capitalism without lobbyists or money in politics, as can be seen by the fact that we have a single democracy that hasn’t been utterly perverted by capitalism. As such, the issue is capitalism and its toxic effect on everything it comes into contact with.

StaySquared ,

Does Capitalism require lobbyists?

Capitalism, as an economic system characterized by private ownership of the means of production and the pursuit of profit, does not inherently require lobbyists. However, the presence of lobbyists is a common feature in many capitalist societies, particularly in democratic political systems where businesses and other interest groups seek to influence government policy and regulation.

Why Lobbyists are Common in Capitalist Societies Influence on Legislation and Regulation: In capitalist economies, businesses often lobby the government to create favorable conditions for their operations. This includes influencing legislation, regulatory frameworks, and policies that impact their industry.

Protection of Interests: Companies and industries may use lobbyists to protect their interests against unfavorable legislation or regulation that could hinder their profitability or competitive position.

Access to Decision-Makers: Lobbyists provide businesses with access to lawmakers and regulators, facilitating a dialogue where they can present their case and advocate for policies that benefit their operations.

Complexity of Modern Economies: Modern capitalist economies are complex, with numerous sectors and industries. Lobbyists help navigate this complexity by specializing in specific areas of policy and regulation, providing expertise to both businesses and policymakers.

The Role of Lobbyists in Different Contexts Positive Role: Lobbyists can play a positive role by ensuring that policymakers are well-informed about the potential impacts of legislation and by representing the interests of various stakeholders, including small businesses, trade associations, and non-profits.

Negative Perceptions: Lobbying can also be perceived negatively, particularly when it leads to undue influence, corruption, or policies that disproportionately favor wealthy corporations over the public interest.

Alternatives and Checks Public Participation: Encouraging broader public participation in the legislative process can counterbalance the influence of lobbyists.

Transparency and Regulation: Implementing transparency measures and regulations on lobbying activities can help ensure that lobbying serves the public interest and does not lead to undue influence.

In conclusion, while capitalism does not require lobbyists, they have become an integral part of the political and economic landscape in many capitalist societies. Their presence reflects the interaction between economic interests and political decision-making, aiming to shape policies in ways that can support or enhance the functioning of the capitalist system.

undergroundoverground ,

I don’t remember saying it required lobbyists or that anything I said required it to be true but I can see why you had to stoop to pretending that I did. I would’ve struggled too.

WE can have it without them, as can be seen by the fact that we can’t have capitalism without them. Maybe capitalism could hypothetically exist without them but not on this planet or with us as the species using it.

Can you show an example of a democracy that hasn’t been utterly polluted by capitalism?

Also, love the copy paste, as if it proved anything here. Link your source or its just random BS you stuck > in front of. Also, also “actually, wealthy interests disenfranchising you of your vote and your democracy of validity is a good thing…” too funny.

StaySquared ,

Democracy in of itself is corrupt. It’s why many nations don’t want it and why Western powers have to bomb or coerce Democracy into other nations.

Let me be clear, I love Capitalism. I wish everyone in a Capitalist society would become wealthy from their hard work. I hate lobbyists and interests groups. And I hate governments who dk suck lobbyists for their personal gains rather than the prosperity of its citizens.

undergroundoverground ,

Representative democracy has its problems but that doesn’t mean it can’t and isn’t further corrupted by capitalism.

Well, when the capitalist powers want something those counties have, they also install dictatorships and theocracies. In fact, capitalism doesn’t care what system it is, it will corrupt and toxify them all.

istanbullu ,

This doesn’t work because humans are pathetic. Impossible for them to take a stand on principle.

StaySquared ,

I can definitely agree with that.

KrankyKong ,

Kinda reminds me of paying to use the bathroom in Germany. Is that still a thing?

whome ,

Not in general, never was. But in certain places definitely, like has stations along the Autobahn, train stations and some department stores.

Jakeroxs ,

Never was a thing except where it is.

whome ,

In general

Jakeroxs ,

It’s just funny, I get what you meant but saying it “never was” and then immediately undercutting that with examples where it is indeed a thing means it IS a thing.

Your point, I asume, is that it’s not the norm or status quo, but it does exist.

Crashumbc ,

It was semi popular in the US in resort towns. I remember some beaches had dime machines to unlock the toilet stalls in the public bathrooms.

KoboldCoterie ,
@KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

The best part about this is that the thumbnail makes the device like a face that’s very fed up with this shit.

deegeese ,

Smear something gross on the torment nexus button.

misterwu ,

I’m sorry, what?

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