The whole rape narrative is just a way to push local politicians into unquestioning support of Israel. A way to dehumanize Palestinians by painting with a broad brush. Ironically these “left leaning” outlets pushing this narrative are doing EXACTLY what Trump did by calling Mexicans murderers and rapists.
By itself it is a weird thing to say, like I thought the usual strategy (and apparently the Israelis’) is to publicly assume good behavior so they have something to lose.
You can say this situation is different, but still the only use for that kind of speculation is to emotionally load support for Israel (which is already high), and it may certainly further endanger the hostages, regardless of gender.
this is going to be locked for a variety of reasons:
this is essentially propaganda/an extremely biased opinion piece
it uncritically adopts the framing of Elise Stefanik when she is neither a good faith actor generally, nor asking questions about “calling for the genocide of the Jews” in good faith. it’s very clear she just means “pro-Palestinian demonstrators” when she talks about people “calling for genocide” and that’s stupid.
it’s just not a good article, generally. there are plenty of other, better articles that can be used as a vessel to talk about Israel-Palestine (including ones that have a pro-Israeli voice)
I know in one case this is a bs slant. The person said its abhorrant but measures would only be taken if action was taken. IE the speech will not be silenced by the university but actually violence will not be allowed.
Zionists call anything short of unconditional support for Israel and it’s far right government an anti-semetic call for genocide of Jews. It’s propaganda.
It’s especially disappointing given the mission statement of beehaw. You know, the one they require every user to read when signing up and write a statement about?
… we grew increasingly upset with modern social media. Modern social media has become a breeding ground for hate speech, for trolls, and for bad behavior. We don’t want to recreate that environment. We want to explicitly make a nice little corner of the internet where we can hide from racist, sexist, ableist, colonialist, homophobic, transphobic, and other forms of hateful speech.
So in other words they understood that they were being called on to condemn antisemitism in order to help reinforce the narrative that these college rallies were antisemitic protests, when in fact they were pro-Palestinian ones.
Good on them for choosing to side with their students rather than give the anti-Palestinian camp their manufactured “professors condemn antisemitic student rallies” soundbites.
Refuse to engage with their genocide-backing rhetoric that tries to tie being pro-Palestinian to being antisemitic.
They are bombing Hamas terrorists, their enemy, not refugees. You must remember that Hamas fighters and civilians look exactly the same, and they deliberately lurk among the civilians. This is obviously not genocide.
I’ll give you a hint in form of a question that may lead you towards the truth: What happens to the amount of population in a genocide?
I’m guessing you’re gonna say that there is no genocide if not all or most of the people are killed, because then their people have survived. But, genocide also incorporates cultural genocide. Today the day definitions are one and the same. Destroying someone’s culture and history also qualities, like during slavery.
The methods employed in genocide includes the methods of colonialism, persecution, subversion and the destructions of farms, Mosques, churches, hospitals, libraries, monuments, etc. Anything to persecute, harass and destroy someone.
Take for instance “the gypsies”. A people in diaspora from a nation state that doesn’t exist, roaming Europe forever, with no land to call their own.
That’s the fate the Israeli state wants for Palestine. It is still technically genocide.
I’m guessing you’re gonna say that there is no genocide if not all or most of the people are killed, because then their people have survived. But, genocide also incorporates cultural genocide.
No, I’m saying that population doesn’t grow during a genocide.
That’s the fate the Israeli state wants for Palestine. It is still technically genocide.
But… Palestinian Arabs are >20% of the population of Israel. You’re making absolutely no sense.
Living under the tyranny of those who took your land, destroyed your cultural heritage and then swept your suffering and the death of your loved ones under the rug, using terrorism as some sort of justification? This is something you’ll have to clear with the native Americans and Inuits, even some other nomadic people.
Like again, I alluded to the Roma people (or Gypsy’s) for a reason. A broken folk, subjected under Romania (even though it has nothing to do with Roma folk), the “gypsies” lost their land in the North of India. Ever since, they’ve wandered as a people without ancestral lands, and that is a huge problem for not only the psyche, but also the culture has been subverted, destroyed and is but a husk of it’s former self.
This is why the technical definition of genocide has moved beyond body count.
I feel like there’s some weird context here. Why does Stefanik want to get that “yes” and why are they reluctant to say it? Would it be a declaration of some university policy that would lead to suppressing the demonstrations or what?
I'd love to see your evidence that the IDF regularly employs sexual abuse as a tactic. I'll wait.
Edit: I'm interpreting each downvote as an admission that you couldn't find evidence, but I'd love to be proven wrong! We do care about facts and the truth here, no?
My guy, do you even hear yourself? I don't think Palestinians are human? I'd think that their sexual assault is acceptable? I doubt you'll believe me, but I don't in fact, think that. Congratulations on your excellent straw man construction skills though.
That first rabbi, Shmuel Eliyahu, is scum, something that has been acknowledged by plenty of people in and out of Israel. The US has revoked his visa privileges. When he tried to run for a country-wide Chief Rabbi position, the Israeli Attorney General told him to abandon it because of his offensive statements. Members of the Israeli parliament moved to have him disqualified. He lost an election for Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, which is a relatively conservative city itself. The second guy, Krim, is also shitty, though he did apparently state that his remarks were not meant to apply to the modern era. There was also a lot of domestic Israeli opposition against him, including from former PM Yair Lapid.
But beyond these two being living excrement, and ignoring that I could very easily find plenty of examples of Imams saying the exact same thing with an Islamic twist, that isn't what I asked for. I asked for evidence that the IDF regularly employs sexual abuse as a tactic, and you've given me two hyper conservative rabbis saying that they personally would excuse it. Given that their word has precisely zero legal meaning in the Israeli justice system, I don't see that as particularly relevant to the question I asked.
It obviously isn’t necessarily a battlefield tactic but I don’t care. No one with an adult’s understanding of the world who has condemned Israel’s response didn’t also condemn Hamas after Oct 7. This war is not Hamas v. Israel to most people. It’s far right nationalists fighting each other again and again v. Civilians trying to live there lives.
Hamas and Likud/settlers should go out to some empty desert somewhere and kill each other there so normal, sane people can work towards peace.
No one with an adult’s understanding of the world who has condemned Israel’s response didn’t also condemn Hamas after Oct 7.
This doesn't appear to actually be true, unless you mean to imply that a majority of Palestinians don't have an adult's understanding of the word. Don't get me wrong though, this in no ways provides just cause to target civilians.
The majority of (59%) strongly supported or (16%) supported to some extent the October 7 attacks carried by the Hamas-led factions, while 16% supported to some extent [sic]. 11% reported that they neither supported nor opposed the attack, while 13% expressed opposition to the attacks. Strong support for the attacks was notably higher among Palestinians in the West Bank (68%) as compared to Gaza (47%).
That said, I'm not surprised conditions in Israeli prisons are very poor, though they're unfortunately not remotely alone in the global context in that. It's also worth noting that the Israel Prison Service is independent from the IDF and operates under a completely different ministry. I'm not saying that it's not horrendous, because it is, but it doesn't rise to the same severity in my mind. I do genuinely appreciate you providing an actual source though; I certainly don't think Israel is any angel.
I obviously don’t think Israelis in Hamas’s care get better treatment than Palestinians get in Israel’s care. There’s new atrocities and victim testimony reported daily. It just seems like this whole thing is a horror show and to condemn it all is the only reasonable response.
During the prisoner exchange, it was reported that Palestinians can be held for 6 months in Israeli prisons and then, if they’re tried, face a military court with a 97% conviction rate. It’s not as horrible as grabbing people off kibbutzim but it’s not something to brag about. It’s easy to end up disgusted by it all and respond emotionally to anyone who takes a firm side.
I’ve been personally just trying to be on team civilian and find a way to have empathy for everyone not fighting. It’s natural to pick a side but war usually just brings out the worst in people at the worst possible time.
I mean, a majority of Palestinians are not adults. But also, being in the position of die and give us your land and your options are: die or fight back. Most people are probably gonna be on the fight back side, even if those who fought back didn’t do the greatest of things. Especially where you likely are not being told all the things they did outside of “we are fighting for your freedom.”
Not like most people who supported 90% of wars America has been in know everything America did in those wars.
He is a piece of shit, to be clear, but his words also have exactly zero legal relevance in the IDF, so, while certainly objectionable, that isn't what I actually asked for, which was evidence the IDF actually regularly performs sexual violence.
I'm sure Hamas' religious authorities aren't exactly spreading love love peace peace either, not that that matters.
Because the parent comment explicitly mentioned the IDF?
If you're going to discard any evidence coming from Israelis, you're not actually open to any evidence that might challenge your views at all. Which is fine, but don't pretend to be looking for a rational discussion then.
Because the parent comment explicitly mentioned the IDF?
He said “Hamas and IDF are one and the same.” Why do you only ask for evidence about the IDF?
If you’re going to discard any evidence coming from Israelis
The only “evidence” I’ve seen about Hamas rape cases are testimonies. They probably happened, but every news article has only cited testimonies. Have you seen evidence of Hamas committing rape that isn’t just a testimony?
I also hold the IDF to the same standard and don’t take Hamas’ claims against them at face value. Both could be lying or telling the truth, but objective evidence leaves way less room for ambiguity and manipulation.
That is sickening, but I'd point you to what's right below that headline.
The army has removed the commanding officer of the unit and opened an investigation
So some asshole commander committed atrocities and is facing consequences for it, because this is not an accepted practice in the IDF, which was the claim I'm asking for evidence of. Do you think Hamas officials punished anyone involved in the October 7th attacks who committed sexual assault or attacked civilians?
At face value I do get where you’re coming from, but this is standard practice, and I’m happy to provide the evidence you are looking for, because it’s important that the truth comes out and I respect you for asking for it.
IDF officers and investigators intentionally cover up murders and abuse, even when leaked internal correspondences admit the killings were totally unjustified and offer alternative explanations to be given to the press.
The Guardian’s correspondent in Israel, Chris McGreal, wrote about a conversation he had with the Israeli military commander in southern Gaza at the time, Colonel Pinhas “Pinky” Zuaretz. The Colonel both admits that his troops murder children for no reason, and implies it’s necessary to prevent the Holocaust from happening again. In court, he claimed the whole of southern Gaza was a combat zone and anyone who entered parts of it had made themselves a target.
Also from the article: “An Israeli army officer [who] emptied the magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl, Iman al-Hams, and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old, was cleared by a military court. [The girl] was shot and wounded after crossing the invisible red line around an Israeli military base in Rafah, but she was never any closer than 100 yards. The officer then left the base in order to “confirm the kill” by pumping the wounded girl full of bullets. An Israeli military investigation concluded he had acted properly.”
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