This would be more believable if the IDF, which has been searching the complex for days, had found anything of the sort. A major command and control base, supposedly accessible from places random employees can stumble upon, isn’t something you need days of intensive searching to reveal.
They blasted a hole through a garage floor to find a tunnel, that’s not a terror command center and not something a member of the hospital would stumble upon. If this was a big important storage and command site that random doctors would wander into, the troops there would have found it already by just opening doors.
These situations can still be reconciled. Perhaps this particular doctor had a habit of blasting holes in floors and had to be told not to do that under threat of being shot.
To be fair, Al Jazeera is blatantly anti-Israel, so I wouldn’t trust their analysis without other corroborating sources. Regardless, the evidence the IDF presented for that particular video was far from conclusive, so it’s certainly possible that particular entrance wasn’t to the Hamas tunnel network.
I also don’t doubt that nurse video is fake, but the source of the video is far from definitive. Many parties in this conflict benefit from muddling the waters with fake videos.
As if being anti-Israel means that Al Jazeera throws journalistic integrity into the wind? If the facts are valid, they’re valid regardless of what the spin being put on them is.
Bias needs to be taken into account, but it does not invalidate good reporting on its own. It’s the same reason I don’t immediately believe all statements from the IDF. They are a party in the conflict and extremely biased. They are however a valuable source of information and their claims should be considered. I would also rank the credibility of the IDF over the credibility of Hamas.
The IDF, as I’ve shown, has zero journalistic integrity. If Hamas starts to spread verifiably fake videos to Western audiences, I’ll discredit them too.
You’re miles up shit creek and so all you see is shit. You’re stuck comparing a nice big long shit to a gloopy one. Paddle down a bit and maybe you’ll get some clear water for once.
Hamas bombed their own hospital and then said the IDF did it and everyone ate it up
Saying you blindly believe Hamas, a known terrorist organization that says that all Jews worldwide should be wiped out, is really taking the mask off. You should be ashamed of yourself. It’s fine to assume Israel lies, but to blindly trust Hamas is truly moronic. I hope you wake up to reality one day
Not a great example. All recent reporting was that the hospital you’re talking about was hit by a Hezbollah rocket, not Hamas. Not surprising that Hamas would assume, after concluding it wasn’t them, that it was the IDF, and it not be an outright lie.
Well the most obvious example is the strike on that hospital killing 500 that ended up being a failed PIJ rocket landing on the hospital parking lot killing 10-20 people.
I will believe the findings of a third party investigation which the UN has called for. The “evidence” provided by the IDF is not at all conclusive. As I said, you can’t pretend otherwise unless you trust the IDF.
Sure, just keep your blinders on and keep going. It’s not like other governments corroborated that or anything. A fact you chose to clearly ignore in the comment you replied to.
The US and Israel are the only one making strong claims about who is responsible. France and Canada statements were not conclusive and did not “verify” Israel’s supposed evidence like you said. I think I’d rather wait for a third party investigation before I conclude that Israel, the country who’s had killed over 5000 children in little over a month, is free from culpability in this one instance.
You don’t have to convince me. Giving and medical care, education, and food to a people under blockade is totally the equivalent of giving bombs and guns to a state that’s actively committing war crimes. If it turns out to be a PIJ rocket, the UN will be directly implicated in a war crime and therefore they aren’t trustworthy. It makes perfect sense if you don’t think about it.
I’m honestly confused because the original article just says Hamas was seen taking one of the hostages to the hospital. Isn’t that a good thing like hey they are trying to make sure these people don’t die?
Wouldn’t it be better to not murder, rape and kidnap a couple thousand innocent civilians in the first place?
I mean, come on man… You’re acting as if taking two kidnapped Israeli citizens to hospital overshadows how they got into that situation in the first place.
Yeah I completely agree with your sentiment your talking about both sides right? I’m saying that it makes no sense to bomb a hospital if your enemy is taking the hostages there the get healed unless you don’t care about the hostages and just want to kill Palestinians.
Yeah I agree with both sides. You realize Israel has been arresting children simply because someone said they picked up a rock or said free Palestine. Sounds like both sides are taking hostages.
He says the northern Strip has no right to exist, adding that anyone waving a Palestinian or Hamas flag “shouldn’t continue living on the face of the earth.”
Not saying we should trust Netanyahu’s denial of this happening, but at the same time its not really reasonable to just trust an anonymous source in an ongoing conflict where public and international opinion matters a lot.
If there is more to this story then we probably will see more people confirming this in the near future.
Egypt telling them this isn’t some whisper by an anonymous source.
Maybe my wording is not that clear, but I am just responding to this part of the article where the source for the story is clearly mentioned as an anonymous source.:
“We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big. But they underestimated such warnings,” the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to discuss the content of sensitive intelligence discussions with the media, told The Associated Press.
Anonymously talking with the media doesn't mean they were anonymously talking with Israel
Maintaining public anonymity does not mean the press didn't know who they were, and could verify that they knew what they were talking about.
I do agree that it's useful to maintain a certain level of skepticism... but that doesn't mean complete distrust of anything you're told. It's not unreasonable that Egypt had intel that an attack like this was coming, or at the very least that extremist elements were reaching a breaking point and something extreme was going to happen soon.
I'm of the mindset Zelinskyy absolutely knew, but purposefully kept denying it was close on the horizon to calm his people and also not be accused of saber rattling. It was a de-escalation and obfuscation tactic in my opinion and I think it sort of worked to the ends he intended in subtle ways. Ain't no way you see that many troops massed at your border and think "Putin? That guy's chill. He just doing some exercises. He wouldn't be planning to invade me on the heels of an Olympic closing... Again."
There is a full on “fear of chaos” happening. Nothing can be happening without some intention. People can’t fail, procedures can’t fail an information can’t be lost or misinterpreted. There must always be an all-knowing, bad actor failing on purpose.
So far the most benefiting entities politically are: Russia and China (US attention might be divided and be forced to divert funds to Israel), Netanyahu (Isreelis were very divided in his support, this raises up nationalism and helps him to do more).
The Saudis potentially as well. They dont like Israel, but due to all the Iranian funding they really dont like Hamas. Getting them to kill each other and drain their coffers gives them some breathing room. Plus turmoil in the middle east = increased oil prices = more money for the Saudi Regime.
I was saying this earlier. The Saudis always manage to come out of any worldwide conflicts with more money and power than they started with. It’s impressive, honestly.
Impressive may be the wrong word, but it is something, regardless of the source of the power. The levels they are able to go to without repercussion or ways they can take advantage of everything because of oil is something.
Netanyahu wants conflict with Iran, it distracts from both the genocide he’s perpetrating and the spectacular intelligence failure of his administration that allowed the initial Hamas attack in the first place. This is why Netanyahu attacked Iranian military assets first. He deliberately provoked this.
A consulate is not a military installation by design. It is a diplomatic building, and considered sovereign ground of the represented nation state. Israel quite literally attacked Iran’s territory first.
It should also be noted that while it’s widely known Israel carried out the attack, they have not confirmed or denied it.
After killing 30.000 Palestinians and 31 of the hostages in air strikes, they managed to rescue 2 hostages that are 60 and 70 years old.
What an amazing success. If this continues they can rescue another 6 hostages and kill the remaining 100 hostages and another 100.000 Palestinians (or human animals as Israel calls them)
The person that said “You can’t bomb the hostages to freedom” must be feeling real stupid now.
The proposal comes following Netanyahu's rejection of a Hamas offer that sought an end to the war in return for the release of the remaining hostages.
The Israeli government has offered a new proposal to Hamas that would see a two-month ceasefire in return for the release of Israeli hostages, after rebuffing a Hamas offer.
It is also unknown if any of the over 6,000 Palestinians that have been detained by the Israeli military since 7 October from the occupied West Bank will be included in the deal.
Some 250 hostages were taken during Hamas' attack on Israel on 7 October, with 130 being released during a one-week ceasefire in November.
Families of the Israeli hostages have ramped up calls for their release, with protests occurring outside Netanyahu's house and inside the Israeli Knesset on Sunday.
UN agencies have repeatedly called for a ceasefire for an increase in humanitarian aid into Gaza, as UNRWA reports that 570,000 people face catastrophic hunger in the enclave.
At least now they admit it happened. Now to convince them that maybe intentionally targeting civilians, raping, and kidnapping people isn’t a good thing that should be celebrated.
Fat chance that will happen with the PLO as it is now. They figured out a long time ago that they get rich from not signing peace deals.
They (officials) never claimed it, it was only 1 journalist who said it, Israel claimed that 40 babies have died some with their head missing and that's true.
What is this insane lie? Not only did the israli officials claim it. They took it so far even JOE BIDEN claimed it. It was a blantant lie the IDF told everyone. Here’s evidence (see it’s not that hard to provide evidence!)
If anything this IDF strategy of: lie about beheaded babies, lie about hostages being dead, lie about tunnels they built, lie about their people dying from IDF fires, will make it really tough to believe anything else they say and discredit any actual war crime happened in October 7.
If they stopped for a day to actually think, and used international pressure to stop hamas fundings and intelligence to actually solve and portect the people we wouldn’t be in the mess.
Yet they caught on their history of lies and make it really hard to believe some of the rape stories that came up.
In fact the more you dig up historical war crime commited by IDF you will see the stories of mass graves, and baby in oven, and underage kids, some are 6 and 7, being arrested and put in prison without any charges and other atrocious acts the world pertend not to happend.
@gedaliyah said there was video evidence, so I’ll settle for that. He hasn’t shared it yet, though, despite getting very angry when someone said there was no proof.
Makes me dubious about there being any proof at all 🤷
Oh wait it’s nothing! No videos no pictures. No evidence aside from someone that supposedly said they witnessed “Khamass raping errbody out there”.
The rape kits? “Don’t work since the bodies are completely burned from all the Hellfire missles the Apache helicopter friendly fired israelis with”. Blame it all on Khamass!
Take your chauvinist, murder fetishistic, terrorist apologia back to infowars. They let you deny murdered babies and attack rape victims with impunity over there.
Even better, get some help, go touch grass. You are sick and need contact with other real life humans.
I, too, am waiting for this ‘video evidence’ of rapes he’s so certain about that he’s willing to call someone “a special kind of disgusting” for claiming there’s no proof.
This video evidence should clear everything up for everyone, unless he was lying.
I just wanted to say thanks for removing the personal attack that ended this post previously! It got reported and I WOULD have removed it, but you did the right thing and removed it yourself.
Yeah since the other commenter above me decidated an entire paragraph to insults towards me (actually, the entire comment is just insulting me there is no substance) I did add an ad-hom but decided it would be better without attacking him personally so I edited it out.
Please don’t remove his comments though I’m waiting for him to respond with evidence.
Can’t you just share the ‘video evidence’ to prove him wrong?
You’re the one who said there was evidence, share it so we can all see without a doubt that you aren’t full of shit. The fact that you’re saying “there’s evidence” then throw a hissy-fit when pressed to show it tells me that there isn’t actually evidence and you’re lying through your teeth.
The easy way to prove me wrong would be to share your evidence. Only a fool would take the word of reddit/lemmy comments at face value.
The burdon of proof lies with the one making claims. They aren’t making any claims. They are only asking for evidence. Would you say the same thing to people questioning the (fake) justifications of war the US used to invade Iraq?
WTF are you talking about? This is an internet forum, not a courtroom. I’m conveying facts that have been widely reported and verified by reputable international news agencies.
Articles, videos, testimony, etc. have already been provided here. If you believe that ALL the evidence presented here is somehow wrong, then feel free to give your reasoning and evidence point by point for all of the journalists, medical professionals, and world leaders being somehow wrong.
Or you can be like the other sick-minded people who have requested to personally see videos of women being raped.
The articles linked in this thread discuss the police, forensics experts, journalists, etc. Who have seen the bodies of women with genital injuries or mutilation. They have seen footage taken from the video the terrorists themselves took and videos from victims. They have testimony from victims. They have statements from the captured Hamas terrorists.
If your first reaction to hearing about a woman being raped is “show me the video or it didn’t happen,” then yes, you are a chauvinist and a sick person. Questioning women who are reporting rape is not “legitimate discussion.” It is victim shaming and empowering sexual assault.
Your first link has zero evidence (as do all your other links) just the generic “someone said they were gang raping, we don’t have any evidence though nor rape kits, just believe us”.
The second link is an edited video with someone that seems to talk in a Pashtun accent over it so I’m assuming that is a Taliban(?) video with random subtitles. Is that video even from this conflict? Your fact-check link says that there seems to be no real evidence, just oral allegations. And we know from the 40 beheaded babies how credible those are. All the women release by Hamas in the last few days don’t seem to be raped that’s for sure.
I’m not going to spend hours debunking every single lie you post. Can you just post a single link with evidence please thanks.
So, all you have are testimonies from people who claim to have seen video evidence?
You haven’t actually seen the evidence yourself? People saying there is video evidence is not the same as there actually being video evidence.
Just say you have people’s testimonies, because that’s all there is.
Unless you can share the actual video evidence instead of just people saying it exists.
It’s funny watching how transparent propagandist tactics are with just a little nudge.
If your first reaction to hearing about a woman being raped is “show me the video or it didn’t happen,” then yes, you are a chauvinist and a sick person. Questioning women who are reporting rape is not “legitimate discussion.” It is victim shaming and empowering sexual assault.
There it is. We’re the bad guys for asking for evidence, he’s not the bad guy for making a grave claim without providing evidence to support it.
Then he lies about the evidence that he said exists and links to a bunch of nonsense as though it proves his point.
You’re the one who said there was video evidence. Why are you getting so mad when people ask you to share it? Because it doesn’t exist and you’re lying.
Want to prove me wrong? Don’t link to a bunch of testimonies claiming they’re videos. Show me the videos themselves. It only takes 1 link.
You can’t do that though because you’re lying. The only way to prove me wrong is to share the video evidence.
When Israeli journalist can’t speak out against the actions of their own government due to rightwing mobs attacking their homes, it seems naive to believe what the journalists are allowed to say…
All he did was pray for the dead civilians on both sides, now he had to go into hiding in his own country from rightwing Jewish extremists…
A prominent ultra-Orthodox Israeli journalist has gone into hiding after his home was attacked by a mob of far-right Israelis, who targeted him in response to expressions of solidarity with Palestinians under bombardment in Gaza.
The crowd of far-right Israelis surrounded Israel Frey’s home on Saturday night, firing flares into the sky and threatening to kill him.
For some reasons Israels government doesn’t seem so quick to call them terrorists and bomb their neighborhood tho
timesofisrael.com
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