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sun_is_ra , to world in IDF presents evidence misfired Gazan rocket caused hospital blast, slams Hamas ‘lies’

In the recording one man says : “They say the rocket is from Jihadist” then the other one asked : “who says?” Then the other persob replies: “They say its local sharpnel not like the ones from Israeli rockets”

My point is: none of these people in the recording know anything for a fact. they are just telling what they have heard.

PugJesus , to world in IDF presents evidence misfired Gazan rocket caused hospital blast, slams Hamas ‘lies’
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Oh my God, are we really using 'slams' even in reporting on major wars now?

Stop the planet, I want to get off.

glimse ,

The IDF claps back at Hamas

The IDF tells Hamas to take a WHOLE seat

👏The 👏 IDF 👏 DESTROYS 👏 Hamas’ 👋 lies

TokenBoomer , (edited )

Did this article mention the other 6,000 bombs the IDF has dropped? Were those Hamas too?

glimse ,

I’m not the one to ask, I was just riffing on the writer’s choice to use YouTuber language

TokenBoomer ,

Maybe we’ll get an unboxing or a react video during the ground invasion.

HubertManne ,

let the boys be boys.

TokenBoomer ,

I understand this reference, thanks ☺️

YoBuckStopsHere , to world in IDF presents evidence misfired Gazan rocket caused hospital blast, slams Hamas ‘lies’
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The firey blast is from spent rocket fuel. Bombs don’t react like that. This was 100% a hamas rocket.

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

Uh... Hamas rockets (well Islamic Jihad rockets but same difference) don't have the firepower to cause this kind of destruction.

YoBuckStopsHere ,
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Yes they do, easily.

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

How so? Have you seen the building?

Wilshire OP ,
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The building wasn’t even hit, it was the parking lot. Everything that was repeated by the media was made up by Hamas.

files.catbox.moe/9n76yx.mp4

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

Okay that's fair enough for now, but then how did so many people die?

Wilshire OP ,
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So far there’s no evidence that “hundreds” were killed, over 100 perhaps, but not 500.

HuddaBudda ,
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Could be from the petroleum from the cars. It looks like the missile hit right outside the parking lot. Most of the cars are burned through too.

Though I am not seeing images of a crater, and it looks like the hospital is still standing. If it was an airstrike, I would imagine there would be more physical damage. But that is just speculation of a air strike bombing run. I feel like there should be more rubble.

They went as far as to inflate the number of casualties,” he said.

Estimates given in a time of panic. But only a 200 casualty rate is fine. 201 and we'd have to send you off to the gulag.

YoBuckStopsHere ,
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Not the initial explosion, no.

dumdum666 , (edited ) to world in Israel says Islamic Jihad rocket misfire caused blast near Gaza hospital

So this here is the current view on the area where supposedly about 500 people died. Also there are allegedly more than 300 wounded.

Questions I personally have:

  • where is the rubble and where is the bomb crater?
  • why does the building seem undamaged?
  • how do you fit 800 people in this parking lot?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/18/israel-hamas-war-live-news-gaza-hospital-west-bank-update-joe-biden-visit-protests-latest-updates

markr , to world in Israel says Islamic Jihad rocket misfire caused blast near Gaza hospital

Thousands of missiles were fired from Gaza last week, and apparently none of them turned around and struck Gaza. On the other hand Israel has been conducting a bombing campaign this week that has blown up a whole lot of buildings, including (according to the NYT) 4 other hospitals… It is obviously possible that this was an errant missile from Gaza, it is much more likely that this was a bomb from Israel.

gloriousspearfish ,

Did you see the report? Quite a lot of rockets fired from Gaza fails and hit somewhere in Gaza.

supercriticalcheese ,

That would be a remarkable fail rate if that is the case

Madison420 ,

Bro just watch the video of Hamas rocket impacts and compare it against the hospital impact, there is no fucking way that’s a homemade sewer pipe rocket.

mwguy ,

and apparently none of them turned around and struck Gaza.

5-20% depending on the type of missile/rocket generally land inside the Strip. They don’t use aerospace grade materials, so imperfections that wouldn’t cause a problem in 100 years of use as an irrigation pipe end up failing on the multiple G forces associated with rocketry.

HuddaBudda , to world in IDF presents evidence misfired Gazan rocket caused hospital blast, slams Hamas ‘lies’
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FINALLY!, we have video:

https://twitter.com/qudsn/status/1714335703117570261

Whatever it was, the rocket was intact when it made landfall. It also looks like the hospital is still intact as the impact happened in the packing lot.

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

I'm not familiar with these things, but we can tell whose rocket this is from the sound right?

Evilcoleslaw ,

I don’t know about that. For instance, this is what a US JDAM sounds like despite just being a gravity bomb with no propulsion of its own. Not sure what the Hamas/Islamic Jihad rockets sound like in their terminal phase.

dumdum666 ,

This Video proves absolutely nothing - it could have been made everywhere and there is no proof that it was made on October 17.

Quit spreading misinformation.

HuddaBudda ,
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Actually, I'd prefer if you did doubt the source. It is X. I am not even going to disagree with you.

The video was geo-tagged to the location near the hospital. Landmarks match as well. So the evidence aligns that this is partially real.

However, there is still data I lack for a full picture. That is why I share stuff like this. So people can tell me WHY it is fake beyond the noticeable. Or provide insight or point of view that I could not.

dumdum666 , to world in IDF presents evidence misfired Gazan rocket caused hospital blast, slams Hamas ‘lies’

So this here is the current view on the area where supposedly about 500 people died. Also there are allegedly more than 300 wounded.

Questions I personally have:

  • where is the rubble and where is the bomb crater?
  • why does the building seem undamaged?
  • how do you fit 800 people in this parking lot?
anteaters ,

It was actually 1000 children, those are smaller and easily fit in the parking lot. I know that because the honorable health ministry of Hamas Gaza said so.

ShunkW , to world in IDF presents evidence misfired Gazan rocket caused hospital blast, slams Hamas ‘lies’

This after Israel previously claimed responsibility for the bombing? Sure. Totally believable.

zephyreks , to world in IDF presents evidence misfired Gazan rocket caused hospital blast, slams Hamas ‘lies’

twitter.com/…/1714399186295111815?t=wxkjKFCi8k2oZ…

10-minute video captured by AJArabic around the time the al-Ahli hospital was hit.

As per @Ted55643099:

Explosions on this video: (0:19) hospital. (0:16, 4:25, 4:49) behind and to the left of the hospital. (5:33, 5:56, 9:26, 10:46) behind hospital, most likely the same place. (9:38, 10:51) to the right of the hospital outside of the frame, likely the same place.

RealFknNito , to world in Israel says Islamic Jihad rocket misfire caused blast near Gaza hospital
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  • CommanderM2192 ,

    Fuck off misinformation troll. This is easily disproven with a simple search on Google or a news aggregator.

    randon31415 , to world in Israel says Islamic Jihad rocket misfire caused blast near Gaza hospital

    So, what I gather from this thread and others:

    Islamic Jihad, a group separate from Hamas and not getting missiles from Iran, cobbles together their own home-made rocket made out of duck tape and twine and fires it at Israel. The rocket, unsurprisingly, falls apart and part of it falls on the parking lot of Gaza city hospital, killing about a dozen or so people. Hamas rushes to the scene and asks how many are dead. Gaza hospital says 500 - 12 from the missile and 488 from the … you know siege and food/medicine blockade.

    Hamas knows that the IDF has targeted this hospital before and had no doubt that they would it again, and since the missile didn’t come from them, releases a press release saying the IDF bombed a hospital and 500 are dead. This makes President Abbas call off his meeting with Biden and throws a wrench in the peace process, just what Hamas wants.

    The IDF initially just say “Hamas did it,” and if you disagree we’ve got this new law that jails reporters for saying bad stuff about Israel. Then they release a video footage of a different rocket barrage that has nothing to do with anything. Biden comes over and goes: “Come on, this isn’t the cold war, it’s the information age. We’ve got like 10 live web cams throughout Gaza city streaming, OSINT probably got it. If you didn’t do it, there ain’t any reason to lie about it.”

    Of course, that is just what I got from Lemmy, so probably a mix of propaganda from both sides. Feel free to yell all the corrections in the world in the replies.

    Dremor ,
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    Speaking of livestream, this seems to be a video from that night, from a geolocated position :

    twitter.com/yousuf_tw/status/1714367757968384106

    We see a rocket being launched, seemingly missfire and blowing up high in the sky, then two explosions, the second one being near the hospital.

    Seudo ,

    To someone who can’t be bothered doing any independent research, this sounds the most likely.

    Wrrzag , to world in Israel says Islamic Jihad rocket misfire caused blast near Gaza hospital
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    Lol sure

    luthis , to world in Pipe bomb explodes near Israeli embassy in Cyprus, no injuries; 4 Syrians arrested

    Have there been any attacks on Palestinians abroad?

    Zorque ,

    There was that kid who got stabbed to death 26 times.

    airportline ,
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    afraid_of_zombies , to world in Pipe bomb explodes near Israeli embassy in Cyprus, no injuries; 4 Syrians arrested

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  • luthis ,

    Although in this case, it’s not entirely religion.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Ok. Religion of peace 99.9999999% of the time.

    luthis ,

    /s I hope

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    I wonder why it is when people say how peaceful Islam is everyone assume sarcasm. Hmm there must be some reason, but I just can’t put my finger on it. Must be one of those weird things that has literally no good reason for it.

    guckfoogle ,

    Suck a fat dick

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Pretty sure that would be harem and that means I can be thrown off a roof.

    guckfoogle ,

    I don’t understand why it’s appropriate to make offhanded comments about Islam and blame a whole religion of people for the violent acts of a handful of extremists, but god forbid anyone say something critical about Israel and suddenly their an antisemitic Nazi. Case in point me being called antisemitic for calling “a CEO Jewish” sh.itjust.works/comment/4296373

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  • guckfoogle ,

    I’m sorry you feel that way, but violence would still keep on happening even if there were no more religions, it’s human nature. Religion does more good than harm (brings communities together, passing down of traditions/knowledge, charity, etc…).

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    but violence would still keep

    If cancer were cured tomorrow people would still eventually die, but I would rather live in a world without cancer than with.

    Religion does more good than harm

    By what metric?

    brings communities together

    Yeah in mutual hatred for outsiders and minorities and heretics.

    , passing down of traditions/knowledge

    It is called paper.

    charity, etc…).

    Government does more and does it better.

    guckfoogle ,

    you bleeding heart liberals are really starting to get more more intolerant and hateful by the day, I shall drink your liberal tears with my holy water, thank you and have a blessed day.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Not able to deal with the argument you made it about me. The last refuge of the theist.

    guckfoogle ,

    an argument can only be made between two competent parties, and you clearly are a child.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    How was group pretend time today? Which one of us spends time each week with other adults talking about their imaginary friend?

    guckfoogle ,

    Just please don’t shoot up a church or mosque, and try to meet and get to know people who have different backgrounds/cultures than you.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Try not to hand over your kid to a priest to get raped and voting for theology, and try finding some evidence for your belief in skydaddy

    guckfoogle ,

    I’m orthodox, our priests can get married and have wives so their not pedophiles. I’m really worried you might actually shoot up a church now 😅

    afraid_of_zombies ,
    cyd , to world in PLO official say Israeli efforts to evacuate civilians from Gaza a war crime

    The Palestinians are paranoid about such Israeli efforts for good reasons. In the past, after civilians are “evacuated”, they’re not allowed to return and the land is taken by Israel.

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