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paddirn , to world in Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’

“By god, it’s Israeli academics with a steel chair!”

TokenBoomer ,

Waiting for the Iron Sheik to pull off the Camel Clutch.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bfd9b02d-d845-4308-8b88-df79fcc14781.jpeg

phoneymouse , to world in Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’

It’s one of the greatest ironies that the descendants of holocaust survivors are genocidaires.

atkion ,

Humanity always seems to learn the wrong lessons from historical events, doesn’t it? Hurt people hurt people, I guess…

FenrirIII ,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

An eye for an eye.

TokenBoomer ,
TokenBoomer ,

It’s easier to hate than love and forgive.

Barbarian , (edited )
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It’s actually not uncommon. Trauma and PTSD leave epigenetic changes in people. These can become hereditary through a combination of both nature and nurture. Unless treated, this leads to an intergenerational heightening of fight or flight responses and a host of other issues. This in turn predisposes people to do horrible things in the name of “survival” (in their minds), even when it’s not actually necessary.

In short, traumatized families are predisposed to inflict trauma unless treated.

ghostdoggtv ,

The truth is simpler than that. There were Nazi sympathizers among the ranks of Zionist activists for about as long as the Balfour declaration was in effect. Veterans of groups like Lehi are still enormously influential around the Israeli security complex.

Barbarian ,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

2 things can be true at the same time.

TokenBoomer ,

So what I’m getting it’s a learned behavior from having lived through Nazism. The Cycle of Violence.

CanadaPlus ,

Hopefully we can trot this out until the end of time whenever someone goes “my people would never”. At least something good will have come from it.

capem ,

That’s the end result of religious nationalism.

Zionists have always been right-wing shitbags.

BertramDitore ,
@BertramDitore@lemmy.world avatar

As a descendant of Jewish victims and survivors of the Holocaust, aside from all the dead children and innocents in Gaza, this is the thing that bothers me most. I am not Israeli, but I am deeply ashamed of any Jew who thinks this genocide is okay or can be justified for any reason.

whoisearth ,
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I’ve said this before on Lemmy but my honest opinion is many Jewish people have not healed from The Holocaust.

It’s well proven that hurt people hurt people.

I humbly submit the nation of Israel is committing genocide because deep down they are still profoundly hurting from WW2 and rightly so.

I mean let’s be real, the western world very much had a “fuck Jews” attitude up until and after the results of The Holocaust. Canada turned Jews away. America turned Jews away. UK turned Jews away.

They have every goddamn right to be angry.

Hurt people hurt people.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I am Jewish. I lost family in the Holocaust. I am not angry. The people who killed my family are dead. Taking vengeance on people who had nothing to do with it makes no sense. And even if somehow Israel was doing this in Germany right after the war, it still wouldn’t make it right.

On top of this, there were survivors like Eva Kor who would have entirely condemned this, and rightfully so. Eva Kor forgave Hitler and the Nazis for what they did, which I think is far bigger and better vengeance than anything the people you are, let’s not say defending… explaining? are trying to do.

In my opinion, there is no better revenge against people who tried to dehumanize you and your family than to be the bigger human.

The Torah may repeat Hammurabi’s ‘eye for an eye’ concept, but let’s leave those ancient concepts where they belong along with the superstitious beliefs that went with them.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Mozes_Kor

FlyingSquid , to world in Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

“Plausible” still gives Israel too much wiggle room, but good for them anyway.

MrVilliam , to world in Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’

“Slammed” huh? Take a shot, everybody.

They’re getting suspended and fired. Just say that. Stop with the slamming bullshit. It doesn’t mean anything.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Especially when getting fired is a much bigger deal than whatever the media usually considers ‘slammed’ to mean (people on Twitter and TV saying mean things).

Altofaltception ,

Ah yes, Israel, that bastion of free speech.

GrymEdm , to world in Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’

Kudos to the brave dissenting Israelis speaking and acting according to their conscience. I hope they are protected in some way from reprisals because Israel does not take criticism lightly, especially from within it’s own borders.

FMT99 , to world in Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’

Man it must be tough working in politics. The constant slamming left and right would give me a headache.

Deceptichum OP ,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

You’d think they’d be playing at Wimbledon.

bradorsomething , to world in Iran fires drones, missiles at Israel in first-ever direct attack; IDF downing them

This is an interesting attack from an economic standpoint. While the cruise and ballistic missiles were worth the cost of interception, the shahed drones cost much, much less than the cost if intercepting (a fact frustrated Ukrainian air defense could talk all day about). Since about the 1990’s we’ve been in a situation where often the missile costs less than the enemy aircraft intercepted… but the cost of the missile va the drone cost has created a huge economic disparity in war. You have to pay the price to prevent death and damage, but a drone can now bleed a country in the pocket book without killing a person.

When viewed from this perspective, the iranian attack takes a new light. Sure, they announced the attack, and then made it, and the weapons were mostly downed. But at the end of the day, israel will spend 5:1 (at least) for the victory. A few weeks of this, and israel would run out of interceptor rounds and be taking serious hits… the answer to which, is… pay millions and millions to avoid this possibility, by overstocking interceptor missiles.

lurch ,

there are more answers to this. just to name a few:

  • infiltrate the attacking country and replace leaders with friendly puppets
  • diplomacy
  • nuke the shit out of the attacking country

the economic imbalance just forces the other side to act more quickly

steventhedev OP ,

Hamas and Hezbollah have been launching near daily rocket attacks on civilian targets for over 6 months now. This attack is larger than the usual daily salvos, but still smaller than what Hamas launched on the first day.

It will be incredibly interesting to see if they continue to launch rockets after Iron Beam is deployed operationally with a marginal cost of interception far lower than the cost of a rocket or drone.

MakePorkGreatAgain , to world in Iran fires drones, missiles at Israel in first-ever direct attack; IDF downing them

clips look like they’re all getting shot down?

Evotech ,

99% according to IDF

Wilshire , to world in Iran fires drones, missiles at Israel in first-ever direct attack; IDF downing them
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https://i.imgur.com/AmFfoIK.mp4

t.me/pravdaGerashchenko_en/31824

Iran has officially declared the start of the attack on Israel. “The evil regime will be punished,” its leader said.

Iran, the Houthis from Yemen, Syria, Hezbollah are performing massive strikes on Israel with drones and missiles. Over 200 combat drones and missiles are in the air - media.

Iran’s defense minister: “We will also perform a strike on those who open their airspace or territory to Israel to attack Iran.”

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/43e4722a-1f77-4cf2-beb0-0d2c090c1b95.jpeg


https://i.imgur.com/vXnD4st.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/S7wyqlT.mp4

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https://i.imgur.com/ar0X3jM.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/nyCprat.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/03MpxLF.mp4

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solidgrue , to world in Iran fires drones, missiles at Israel in first-ever direct attack; IDF downing them
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  • wahming ,

    This is the desired consequences of his actions. This is how he stays in power and out of jail.

    Rapidcreek , to world in Iran fires drones, missiles at Israel in first-ever direct attack; IDF downing them

    What we know so far in regard to the Iranian attack on Israel:

    1. 10 year old Bedouin severely injured
    2. Negev Air Base received light infrastructure damage

    For Iran it was an embarrassment.

    mosiacmango , (edited )

    An embarrassment? They announced the attack before it began and then undertook it in an highly telegraphed manner. They specifically only did so to respond to Israel’s illegal bombing of one of their diplomatic embassies.

    Fuck Iran and fuck Hamas and all the other terrorist groups Iran funds, but Israel broke international law by bombing an Iranian diplomatic outpost, and then Iran returned fire in a token and intentionally non destructive manner. They then announced that the bombings would cease if there was no further response, and did so.

    If anything Iran just pulled off a diplomatic win by looking like the adult in the room compared to Israel’s ill-considered actions. They just made Israel look even more reactionary and disjointed as a nation-state, right after the extremely public and recklessly callous aid worker murder fuck ups in their Palestinian war.

    Iran just headed off a regional war that Israel tried to start. This was an Iranian diplomatic victory.

    Rapidcreek ,

    Did you also cry when the US killed Qasem Soleimani.

    Numberone ,

    Doesn’t sound like they’re the ones crying…

    Rapidcreek ,

    Sounds very much like it

    protist , (edited ) to world in Iran fires drones, missiles at Israel in first-ever direct attack; IDF downing them

    Netanyahu wants conflict with Iran, it distracts from both the genocide he’s perpetrating and the spectacular intelligence failure of his administration that allowed the initial Hamas attack in the first place. This is why Netanyahu attacked Iranian military assets first. He deliberately provoked this.

    sik0fewl ,

    He attacked Iranian civilian assets - it was a consulate.

    Albbi ,

    Out of the 16 casualties, 2 were civilian. Seems like it was targeting military personnel.

    mosiacmango ,

    A consulate is not a military installation by design. It is a diplomatic building, and considered sovereign ground of the represented nation state. Israel quite literally attacked Iran’s territory first.

    It should also be noted that while it’s widely known Israel carried out the attack, they have not confirmed or denied it.

    Varyk , to world in Iran fires drones, missiles at Israel in first-ever direct attack; IDF downing them

    Fire, meet gas

    slazer2au , to nottheonion in Apple accused of antisemitism as typing Jerusalem prompts Palestinian flag emoji

    are these the same kind of wankers who thought there was an antijew conspiracy at Microsoft because NYK in wingdings use to be skull, star of David and thumbs up?

    Drinvictus , to nottheonion in Apple accused of antisemitism as typing Jerusalem prompts Palestinian flag emoji

    Showing double standards with respect to Israel is a form of antisemitism, which is itself a form of racism against Jewish people

    Lol no it isn’t

    disguy_ovahea ,

    Exactly. 21% of Israelis are Palestinian.

    cybervseas ,

    Also, what’s the “double standard” here, anyway?

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