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usernamesaredifficul , to technology in She went beyond socialism to being a full communist and thinking that anyone rich is evil. Elon Musk reveals Twitter takeover driven by 'woke mind virus' that infected his trans daughter.

Elon your daughter thinks the rich are evil because of knowing you personally

Dubious_Fart ,

This.

Its sad the amount of people that cant make this logical baby step.

jack ,

This.

That is true.

CanadaPlus , to technology in Supercomputer makes calculations in blink of an eye that take rivals 47 years

Alternate headline: Supercomputer makes specially tailored, useless calculations in blink of an eye that would take classical computer rivals 47 years if they tried it for some strange reason

Ah, the Telegraph.

SkyeStarfall ,

It’s not a good title, but it is an interesting result. A synthetic benchmark is useful in knowing the theoretical maximum speedup that is possible, and whether it is worth exploring further.

CanadaPlus ,

It’s really not, though. We know how quantum computation works. We don’t know what it’s capable of in full, but that discussion will happen on proverbial blackboards, not chips.

What this is is a marketing stunt.

Dasnap , to nottheonion in British hunting group to take legal action to become protected minority group. Hunters have good chance of obtaining same status as Gypsies and LGBT people, campaigners say
@Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

This is some properly multi-layered irony.

If hunters want to become an ethnic group then I guess I’m becoming a racist.

VintageTech , to news in Couples race to move frozen embryos out of Alabama after court defines them as children

But wait… that means they can claim them as dependents right?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

One would think.

unreasonabro ,

Oh man, get the state to pay for the storage costs for your embryos. That’ll put and end to this silly shit STAT.

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

“Yes, I see on your tax forms that you have claimed 1034 dependents, which means that the state actually owes YOU. Here is your big bag of money sir.”

chiliedogg ,

Well considering most people who have them are wealthy, it would fit right in with Republicans wanting to give tax breaks to the rich.

The real question is child support.

ImFresh3x , to world in Swiss cocaine so cheap and widely used they’re considering legalising it

The best way to reduce harm with this drug to users and the planet is to get rid of the deadly impurities and high cost.

Nugelz ,

Yeah and lazy dealers, Jesus.

Eximius ,

Maybe you wanted this word: sleezy

waz ,

Might also add: greedy

assassin_aragorn ,

Removing impurities is really tricky, but that said, it’s not like industry grade equipment and operations are being used here to manufacture it. There may be a simple step or two that would help significantly reduce impurities.

Your comment also made me realize for the first time, a lot of these illicit drugs are made by hobbyists, so to speak, not professional manufacturers. Just knowledge isn’t enough, and I say that as a chemical engineer. If I tried to synthesize anything at home it would have a high degree of impurity – even if I bought some nice lab equipment.

There’s probably a lot of benefit in having the government subsidize a pharma company to make high purity drugs. The impurities could be responsible for a lot of side effects.

Buddahriffic ,

I bet many go out of their way to avoid getting proper equipment because those purchases can get them on a list. It’s legally safer to produce sketchy shit, and since you’re breaking the law anyways, who cares if what you’re selling is really what you say it is.

Profit comes from volume, you can take the risk of selling to as many people as possible or you can inflate your volume with other cheaper shit and never even consider the bit of powder that remained in a lethal dose-sized clump as you mixed it.

rottingleaf ,

That’s like saying that the best way to reduce harm from alcohol is to make good strong alcohol cheap so people wouldn’t drink eau-de-cologne and denaturate.

Problems with alcohol are not limited to it sometimes being mixed with poison.

Problems with cocaine didn’t start with it becoming illegal.

Let’s please not talk as if it’s normal to consume it.

EDIT: That said, I do sometimes consume alcohol.

HerbalGamer ,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

Let’s please not talk as if it’s normal to consume it.

You’d be surprised.

rottingleaf ,

Let’s put it this way:

I have a few relatives believing in folk medicine,

a few other relatives believing in good holy USSR unfairly taken from us by evil fate,

a friend believing in esoterics,

a friend and a relative with alcoholism problems,

an acquaintance doing prostitution,

and some acquaintances believing in Russian neo-paganism (very far from actual Russian paganism) with all the history freakery attached,

and probably I’d know some blowing coke if it weren’t a thing best kept secret here due to inhumane laws.

That doesn’t mean any of those things are normal.

HerbalGamer ,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

I mean a surprising amount of people use coke recreationally, even those you wouldn’t expect it from.

Personally I find it weird how many more people do coke than smoke weed.

rottingleaf ,

Personally I find it weird how many more people do coke than smoke weed.

But then even more people consume alcohol, again.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Alcoholism is pretty normal in some countries.

worldpopulationreview.com/…/alcoholism-by-country

Allero ,

I think you two define normal differently

Author: normal = acceptable

You: normal = common

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Ah, could be.

rottingleaf ,

I meant “acceptably healthy” by “normal”.

wildginger ,

Huh. You did a pretty good job destroying your own argument, its not often where I agree with someone before they convince me theyre wrong

Allero ,

You brought quite a lot of things together, and I’d say they should be addressed separately if you want to get your message across.

On my part, for example - USSR wasn’t holy, but its demise instead of improvement is a giant tradegy that still negatively echoes in the world history.

Someone else would say there’s nothing wrong with prostitution, for example.

Some would point out folk medicine is not all entirely wrong even by medical science standards and it becomes a problem when patients ignore science in favor of unproven methods.

And at the end of it, you end up with the comment that is half wrong, and the message poorly sent.

That’s just my 2 cents here.

rottingleaf ,

On my part, for example - USSR wasn’t holy, but its demise instead of improvement is a giant tradegy that still negatively echoes in the world history.

I agree, but that’s not the position I described.

Someone else would say there’s nothing wrong with prostitution, for example.

Definitely better than alcoholism.

Some would point out folk medicine is not all entirely wrong even by medical science standards and it becomes a problem when patients ignore science in favor of unproven methods.

The latter is what I meant exactly.

And at the end of it, you end up with the comment that is half wrong, and the message poorly sent.

That depends on reader’s interpretation, so you are basically ascribing your own choices to me. If something isn’t clear, it doesn’t mean you can pick the wrong variant and ascribe it to author of that comment. It just means you can ask.

Allero , (edited )

My point wasn’t about the content of statements, but about how such wide statements going way beyond original question will inevitably cause conflict and will drive your point across less effectively.

But then, that’s just my opinion

rottingleaf ,

Ah, well, it wasn’t my intention to persuade anyone or drive anyone to my side.

deafboy ,
@deafboy@lemmy.world avatar

What the actual fuck are you talking about? The fall of USSR was the second best thing that ever happened to the country I was born in. The first was the end of nazi occupation. Although the negative consequences are still echoing through the entire eastern block.

Allero ,

As I said - USSR was by no means holy, and some regions, particularly forcefully occupied states of Eastern Europe, gained quite a lot from its downfall.

I’m talking about a more global effect, particularly economic and political pressure USSR exerted on major capitalist powers. It was a simple sign: “the policies we implement do work, your workers can and will demand them, and you better do it or the same revolution will strip you out of all your riches”.

Pretty much since its inception, USSR was able to literally shift global policies regarding working conditions and universally available services. It’s after severe protests in pre-Nazi Germany and USSR that all major powers suddenly decided to shorten the work day from 10-12 hours to 8, then from 6 days a week to 5, introduced (except for US) full universal healthcare and higher edication, and many more policies we take for granted today.

Then, when USSR went into its demise, the improvements stopped. The income inequality rose significantly in most major economies, going straight up through the roof in the US, UK, Canada and Germany. Same happened to the post-Soviet countries themselves, even though it has been at first greatly compensated by the sheer volume of money coming from foreign investors. Social services started to receive less funding, and population is more in debt than ever.

If anything, USSR was the force that kept major powers in check and didn’t allow capitalism to do what it does best - concentrate wealth, population be damned. I know capitalism can look like magic when your country has got significant economic boost in living memory, but global trends show a very different picture.

deafboy ,
@deafboy@lemmy.world avatar

It’s after severe protests in pre-Nazi Germany and USSR that all major powers suddenly decided to shorten the work day from 10-12 hours to 8

Some industries in the west has been adopting the 10 or 8 hour working day even before the soviet union has existed. And this is going to be only my personal speculations, but as the nature of the work itself has been changing over time, so did the time requirements.

from 6 days a week to 5

It’s funny that you mention that, because one thing that I distinctly remember from what my parents and grandparents has been telling me about the previous regime was something called “working saturday of honor”, when the workers were mandated to come work an extra day. Some of them were to compensate for the state holidays, some just to ramp up the productivity.

sylverstream ,

Problems with alcohol are not limited to it sometimes being mixed with poison.

Alcohol IS a poison…

rottingleaf ,

Yes, I meant dedicated poison.

djdadi ,

Source? Cutting cocaine almost always makes it safer, not more dangerous.

ImFresh3x ,

Tell that to my two infrequent user friends who decided to share some cocaine at home, after going out the bar, catching up after not seeing each other for a while who both died from fentanyl overdose.

Inert cutting agents that simply dilute the product are not type of impurities in the sense that I was talking about. And I think there’s clear.

Also. when inert cutting agents are used without the user knowing the potency they are more liable to overdose. Legal and regulated cocaine would not have fentanyl or levamisole etc, and the potency would be printed on the bottle.

GigglyBobble , to technology in Elon Musk takes over @x Twitter account without paying owner

Shitty as this behavior may be: Why would there have to be any payment? It's just an account with a private company.

They can setup arbitrary rules or ban you without any rules. It's their service, their database... Just like a club can throw you out on a whim. You may tell your friends and eventually that club may go out of business because of their shitty behavior but that's about it.

This would have been a whole other story if it had happened with the x.com domain name...

pjhenry1216 ,

Shitty as this behavior may be

That is exactly why. If you need to do something shitty, soften the blow. If you don't, you're an asshole. Making something hurt less means you have empathy. I'm honestly confused why you needed to ask. You're taking something of value from someone and providing nothing in return.

Edit: just because something is allowed (taking the account) doesn't mean it's "good" (in the moral sense). And just because something isn't required (offering compensation) doesn't mean it can't be used as a sign of good will or the lack of it can't be viewed negatively.

GigglyBobble ,

And just because something isn't required (offering compensation) doesn't mean it can't be used as a sign of good will or the lack of it can't be viewed negatively.

I agree. The headline could've said "@x user handle grabbed in an asshole move". Expecting payment for something like a Twitter handle is just weird to me.

pjhenry1216 ,

Twitter handles have exchanged hands in the past for large sums. The precedent exists that handles have monetary value, especially single character ones. It's not much different than selling domain names.

IHeartBadCode ,
@IHeartBadCode@kbin.social avatar

If you need to do something shitty, soften the blow.

"But why though?"

— Elon Musk

MisterMoo ,
@MisterMoo@kbin.social avatar

“And if the guy who had the x handle complains, he’s a pedo guy.”

BraveSirZaphod ,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

If you don't, you're an asshole.

I don't think anyone with a brain has had any view of Musk than him being an asshole for quite a while now.

nobodyspecial ,
@nobodyspecial@kbin.social avatar

I am rarely a hipster, but I was definitely on the "Musk is an asshole" bandwagon waaaaaaaaaaay back in the days of grabbing credit for PayPal and founding Tesla. He's always been an asshole, but for the longest time his very loud fan club was willing to overlook the various indicators.

pglpm ,
@pglpm@lemmy.ca avatar

They can setup arbitrary rules or ban you without any rules. It’s their service,

Indeed this shows the change in meaning that “service” has undergone in the past 10 or maybe 20 years. Before, the very notion of “service” was that this kind of events could not happen – otherwise it wasn’t a “service”. Reliability and reliance were integral part of the definition of “service”.

Today this word doesn’t mean anything anymore.

GigglyBobble ,

Well, back then you paid for service. Then it's a different story, there's an actual contract which is legally binding. Enshittified internet doesn't have those. Nor are users customers but we all know that here.

pglpm ,
@pglpm@lemmy.ca avatar

Amen.

Radioaktvt ,

What if instead of taking over Twitter handle X, he had taken over Twitter handle of say NY Times. Not blocked it or suspended but straight up takeover. They’re part of that company’s brand. X May have not been important monetarily to that person but doing something like this without offering some sort of compensation signals to all other companies who use Twitter that their handle isn’t safe. This may be a unique instance because he wants the X Twitter handle for their rebranding, but it is an asshole move and undoubtedly others will be watching closely.

I agree. They are within their rights to do whatever with their database, their service. But if their decisions impact someone else’s business then they shouldn’t be surprised if someone takes legal action.

ziggurism ,
@ziggurism@lemmy.world avatar

Yes they have the right and ability to seize any account on their service for any reason. But if they want to be a stable platform where people build their brands and their businesses, there should be an expectation that this would not happen. Due process for when there is a dispute.

Clearly musk wants people to view the platform as such a place so this is a dumb move. In addition to being asshole

nuke ,

if they want to be a stable platform where people build their brands and their businesses

See, I don’t think that’s the goal anymore. I think the goal now is to repackage Xitter into something that looks new and different with all the right buzz words about AI. And then he desperately offloads as much of his position as possible on some other sap.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

Musk took the handle as part of his monetization "strategy" to rebrand so with money involved payment for taking something from a user is a logical step.

Not taking it would be the most logical step, but exchange of money to compensate would be a close second.

ZeroCool , to world in Putin betrayed us, say wives and mothers of Russian soldiers

Breaking news: Thousands of Russian women simultaneously fall out of sixth story window.

Candelestine ,

It’s raining bitches.

Sry… couldn’t help myself.

Norgur ,

Take my upvote and go to hell!

midori ,

A defenestration proclamation.

Pons_Aelius , to news in ‘To hell with this place!’ George Santos ousted from Congress after fabricating life story

Man kicked out of bar says it was shit and he planned to leave anyway.

Details at 11.

ArugulaZ ,

Those grapes were probably sour anyway.

Bookmeat , to world in Russia finds vast oil and gas reserves in British Antarctic territory

Why are people doing resource exploration in protected areas? >___>

tiefling ,

Capitalism demands it

Bookmeat ,

😔

UsernameHere ,

Is Russia capitalist?

Maeve ,

Obviously

captainlezbian ,

For over 30 years

Beetschnapps , (edited )

You have to understand “capitalist” in this case means “I’m in high school and someone looks greedy”.

Like, there’s nuance and then there’s “everyone who is not an anarcho-socialist-utopian-solar-punk-revolutionary is a capitalist”.

And I say this totally not defending capitalism, I’m just smart enough to see a difference between “fisher-price my first socialism” vs reality…

Having a greedy oligarchy isn’t capitalism, it can be just as bad if not worse but the idea things being different is lost on these folks… if you are going to argue that Putin taking everything for himself is just Russia being “capitalist” then you are literally telling the world “I can see lots of trees, but no forest…”

tb_ ,
@tb_@lemmy.world avatar

The Soviet Union was – claimed to be – communist. That is not the case for Russia.

Much like China now has incorporated many capitalist systems.

Beetschnapps ,

No shit. Doesn’t make them capitalists and it doesn’t make a mob boss the monopoly man. Regardless of “systems” I wouldn’t call China capitalist nor Russia and comparing them to or claiming them as such wouldn’t be accurate or even helpful really.

It’s not helpful in assessing current context or motive. But yea let’s just call em all capitalist…

zazo ,

So a state and oligarchs amassing capital isn’t capitalism but monopolic corporations amassing capital is?

Beetschnapps ,

Makes you feel better? So changing groups totally makes it all okay?

zazo ,

Mf that’s why I’m saying both are forms of capitalism - you’re the one claiming Russia isn’t a capitalist state…

Amoxtli ,

No communist in America is a communist. They all want to be communist (wannabe communist, like wannabe badasses), but they are not. You are what you eat.

febra ,

Lol yes they’ve been turbo capitalist for some time now

RedditWanderer ,

Yeah they should have never been allowed to search there in the first place.

Num10ck ,

what’s 500 billion times $78?

alienanimals , to world in ‘I walked out with a £150 trolley – it was so easy’: the rise of middle-class shoplifting

This Karen is an asshole, but so are the supermarkets who collude on prices and collectively steal from everyone else just because they can.

interceder270 ,

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  • AluGeris ,

    It’s not an adjective, it’s pejorative, Karen.

    PhlubbaDubba ,

    Can almost hear that fucking haircut through this

    CrayonRosary ,

    I immediately think less of anyone who doesn’t know the difference between a noun and an adjective.

    interceder270 ,

    Calling someone ‘a’ Karen is using the word as an adjective.

    Calling someone ‘Karen’ is using it as a proper noun.

    I’m guessing you just looked at the upvoted comment that said it’s not an adjective and assumed it was correct.

    For shame.

    apolo399 ,

    This is a person This is a human This is an individual

    Are all of those adjectives? lol

    rbesfe ,

    My brother in christ you need to retake primary school English and learn what nouns are

    sunbytes ,

    If I call you a Muppet does that make Muppet an adjective?

    Wilibus ,

    On the internet anyone and everyone is always right.

    Appleseuss ,

    In this context, ‘This’ is the adjective, as it describes the amount of Karens there are in this sentence. Karen is indeed the noun in this situation.

    An example of using ‘Karen’ as an adjective would be: ‘did you how so-and-so went completely Karen on that clerk?’

    You visualize how so-and-so acted in a particular way towards the clerk. The adjective to describe the behavior was ‘Karen’.

    Hope that clears things up.

    corsicanguppy ,

    so are the supermarkets who collude on prices and collectively steal from everyone else

    I hear you suggesting that makes it okay.

    If so, how much theft are you cool with subsidizing?

    settoloki ,

    Did they change their comment or something because no part of what they say is claiming to be ok with this? Perhaps I’m reading it wrong

    alienanimals ,

    If a comment has been edited, it will display a little pencil icon. I did not edit my initial comment, but I edited this one so you could compare.

    I think Corsican just got confused, but I suppose they could be using a strawman argument.

    Fades ,

    They did not change it, there is no edit icon present on their comment

    tsonfeir , to world in Pilot who ‘tried to shut off engines mid-flight was high on magic mushrooms’
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    Don’t blame this on mushrooms. You get what you go in with.

    remer ,

    And this dude hadn’t slept in 40 hours. Who the hell take mushrooms for the first time with severe sleep deprivation while in the cockpit of a comical airliner!? This guy was unstable to begin with. Hopefully this doesn’t set back the public and regulatory perception of psilocybin and all of the therapeutic benefits it has.

    Stovetop ,

    Narrator: It did.

    SmashingSquid ,

    It should hopefully not have any effect on regulatory perceptions since legal psychiatric use should involve a medication with a certain dose that’s the lowest amount that will help instead of just eating a bunch of mushrooms but we do live in the dumbest timeline. I felt bad for this guy thinking it was a mental breakdown and he needed help but this was a series of really bad decisions.

    tsonfeir ,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    But blame the drugs! 🤗

    squiblet ,
    @squiblet@kbin.social avatar

    From what I understand he had taken the mushrooms 40 hours prior, for his first time ever, and that’s why he’s been awake all that time. However he was also enroute to pilot a flight, which probably wouldn’t have worked out.

    Beetschnapps ,

    I call BS. Mushrooms don’t keep you up and… call me naive but… FLYING A FUCKING AIRPLANE shouldn’t come as a surprise to you. Why not take a sick day?

    13esq ,

    It can be tough to sleep mid-trip, but 10-12 hours or more later? You have other issues/substances if you can’t sleep.

    squiblet ,
    @squiblet@kbin.social avatar

    Sure, staying up 2 days and then trying to kill 85 people on an airplane is not a normal reaction.

    idiomaddict ,

    He hadn’t slept in 40 hours, but he took the shrooms 48 hours prior, so he had slept since the shrooms at least for a bit.

    squiblet ,
    @squiblet@kbin.social avatar

    Considering he was apparently on a psychotic break, not sure how reliable his self-reporting is.

    idiomaddict ,

    Then maybe he never took shrooms or took them an hour beforehand, too

    Addv4 ,

    Supposedly, he took the mushies around 48hrs before, so they were out of his system. So it was probably just extreme sleep deprevation. Which begs the question, it that just considered normal on airlines?

    remer ,

    It absolutely is NOT normal. They have very strict fatigue tracking and rules. This guy shouldn’t have been anywhere near a cockpit. I’m not sure if the rules extend to non-flight crew but I’m sure the FAA will be considering that now.

    SmashingSquid ,

    I found a better article on Reuters that says he took the mushrooms about 48 hours before. Would they even still have an effect at that point? I’ve never taken shrooms.

    systemglitch ,

    I’ve grown mushrooms myself and eaten a ton. He is sober within ten hours max, but in reality the high wears off in about five to six hour range and sane people only want to sleep at that point. At 24 hours you are experiencing no mushroom effects at all, let alone 40-48 hours

    Addv4 ,

    Nah, shrooms only last around 5-7hrs. In the worst case scenario, assume 8hrs so he was most assuredly not tripping. Probably sleep deprivation.

    tsonfeir ,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    Not at all. It’s like max 6 hours.

    prole ,

    Absolutely not.

    logicbomb ,

    I suspect he’s blaming the mushrooms because he doesn’t want to admit whatever other drugs he’s been taking.

    If he hadn’t slept for 40 hours, it might be that he took meth.

    Nakoichi , to worldnews in China lab suspected of Covid leak stripped of US funding for violating biosafety rules
    @Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

    This is stupid. There is just as much evidence it came from Fort Detrick.

    For the record I don’t think it came from either.

    TheFriar ,

    That’s the thing, the COVID conspiracy people now posting this shirt saying, “SEE!?! IT WAS LAB LEAK!!” as if that justifies every single other insane thing they’ve ever said about COVID. Because there’s a huge difference between “covid CAME FROM a lab” and “lab leak possible origin.” One implies conspiracy, the other implies carelessness. What’s the old saying? ‘Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to greed?’ I very much think the same applies to stupidity—and honestly, in this case, greed probably caused the stupidity. How much funding-slashing has led to calamity in recent times? Plenty.

    itsonlygeorge ,

    I think the lab with a long record of carelessness leaking the virus by accident is entirely plausible if not the most reasonable explanation. The issue is not so much about how/when it was leaked, but more along the lines of how poorly they handled the whole situation and subsequent coverup. For all we know, it could have been leaked by accident way earlier.

    wintermute_oregon ,

    Exactly The issue is how China handled all of this. America has had leaks before as have other countries. China has several well known leaks.

    China is still trying to hide the origins which to me heavily suggest a lab leak.

    jonne ,

    Yeah, I don’t really have any issues with accepting a lab leak possibility, but the lab leak people generally add a whole bunch of other conspiracies on top of that (it was designed as a bioweapon, leaked intentionally, etc), and nobody can really explain why this would be any good as a bioweapon if it hurts you as much as your enemies, and if you release it without having a vaccine for it.

    itsonlygeorge ,

    I think the bio weapon part is from people who don’t understand what research is going on lab. They hear “gain of function” research and immediately think Resident Evil type bio weapon.

    Not that I agree that type of research is good for us to be doing in the first place. But I do understand the reason we do that type if research is to learn about viruses and how to combat them as they mutate. I think it’s stupid to be doing that type of research anywhere, especially finding China.

    notacat ,

    “Gain of function” is an extremely broad category that is an absolutely necessary part of molecular biology research.

    GarbageShoot ,

    I think the lab with a long record of carelessness leaking the virus by accident is entirely plausible if not the most reasonable explanation

    I personally don’t think it came from Detrick, but I don’t fault you for thinking so

    itsonlygeorge ,

    It came from the lab in Wuhan, not Detrick. We shall never really know since every govt, especially China will deny and cover up the truth.

    CombatLiberalism ,
    @CombatLiberalism@hexbear.net avatar

    It didn’t come from a lab in Wuhan, it was first discovered in Wuhan but was already going around in Italy for months at that point based on waste samples.

    The point was that we have just as much evidence to say it came from Detrick as we do to say it came from a Chinese lab. It most likely didn’t come from either, but only one of these conspiracies gets pushed. If you provide any pushback that maybe China isn’t responsible for COVID you get met with “well they would lie and cover it up, so I might as well be right”

    TheOctonaut ,

    I don’t know why anyone is still talking about a lab outbreak in Wuhan because of the wet market nearby being suspected in mid December, when we know for sure that Covid was in Italy in September/October and possibly as early as May. The world just shrugged at this info because faecal treatment samples aren’t as interesting as as bat soup and bioterrorism.

    Infamousblt ,
    @Infamousblt@hexbear.net avatar

    Racism mostly. Easier to just be racist against the Chinese than to admit COVID is the result of something more nuanced and systemic

    Zorque ,

    It's also about laziness. It's much less effort to just point a finger than to think about the complexities of a situation.

    PowerCrazy ,

    It’s also really easy to dismiss the uncomfortable origin (It came from a Chinese lab) and point to the “complexities of the situation” instead.

    InvertedParallax ,

    Nobody has a problem with Chinese people.

    But the CCP needs to be given the Beria treatment.

    GarbageShoot ,

    Nobody has a problem with Chinese people.

    yahoo.com/…/tucker-carlson-guest-military-doesnt-…

    InvertedParallax ,

    Yeah, and hitler didn’t like jews.

    It’s tucker fucking Carlson, duh.

    Ask him about gay people and immigrants next.

    GarbageShoot ,

    The clip is actually mainly about his guest, but anyway my point is that your claim was clearly false.

    Infamousblt ,
    @Infamousblt@hexbear.net avatar

    And by every major polling organizations metrics the Chinese people overwhelmingly approve of the CPC.

    Typical westoid wants to destroy a government that is liked by it’s people. What’s your countries government approval rating? Do you want to overthrow your government too?

    InvertedParallax ,

    I worked there for a good while.

    They don’t hate it, they treat it like the weather, something to fear, but nothing you can do anything about.

    The CCP broke them completely, much like the USSR broke the Russian people.

    Tankiedesantski ,

    I worked there for a good while.

    Tell us of the deep abiding wisdom you gained from teaching English at a barely-regulated “school” for 12 months.

    PosadistInevitablity ,
    @PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net avatar

    “We don’t hate the Chinese just the government that they like and has made their people prosperous.”

    Check what happened to the Russians after the Soviet Union fell and tell me it’s not hate to wish that on the Chinese next.

    InvertedParallax ,

    The USSR (Stalin mostly) broke the Russian people, which is why they’re so weak after its fall.

    The CCP broke the Chinese people too. Seems like a common theme.

    PosadistInevitablity ,
    @PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net avatar

    Hahaha what the fuck

    GenderIsOpSec ,
    @GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net avatar

    stalin-comical-spoon going around people’s houses, knocking on doors and telling them that stroganoff had to be made with pork now to break them mentally. it’s true, my grandma told me cri

    TheGamingLuddite ,

    What does it mean to “break” a people?

    The Chinese people were certainly already “broken” in 1949. They had undergone a century of collapse, most were illiterate, women were essentially chattel, and every single grain of wheat or rice more than what was required to keep them alive was stolen by unelected landlords.

    The communists took power and every single one of them was taught to read, women were enfranchised, no-fault divorce and abortion were legalized, political rights were expanded, opium and gangs were chased out of the mainland and the feudal lords were held to account.

    30 years after the revolution they had turned a society of feudal peasants into a nuclear power, 30 years after that and it’s the world’s largest economy by PPP.

    The same things can be said about the Bolsheviks, who defeated a nazi army which sought to annihilate them.

    Thordros ,
    @Thordros@hexbear.net avatar

    “I’m not racist, nobody has a problem with Chinese people.”

    “Also, the Chinese are wild animals that were broken and domesticated.”

    Okay there, buckaroo. Keep telling yourself that.

    BelieveRevolt ,

    I’m not racist, but here’s my thoughts generalizing entire populations of millions as “weak people” because of their Asiatic brainpans.

    determinism2 ,

    who broke you?

    ShimmeringKoi ,
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    photonic_sorcerer ,
    @photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Any sources on the virus being discovered in Italy before China? That would change the entire discussion.

    Oisteink ,

    reuters.com/…/health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idU…

    There’s no similar tests done in China (that I can find traces of) so we have no idea when the virus started circulating in China. Just like Winnie the Poo likes it.

    alternative_factor ,
    @alternative_factor@kbin.social avatar

    Yup, this idea only works if you believe what the CCP says verbatim.

    TheOctonaut ,

    Well, no, it’s not an “idea”. It just means there’s nothing special about Wuhan that should make us look at everything there as a suspect.

    alternative_factor ,
    @alternative_factor@kbin.social avatar

    You are wrong, the assumption of people who post this is that there wasn't COVID-19 in China before the CCP announced it was around.

    TheOctonaut ,

    You’re the one making assumptions I’m afraid.

    We don’t know where Covid-19 came from. That is the outcome. It quite well could have come from China. We have no idea. What we do know is that it didn’t spread globally from a wet market in Wuhan that happens to be near a virology research centre. Because that idea hangs entirely on it appearing there first in December.

    Covid-19 could have started in China. Or Italy. Or anywhere. We don’t know, and as a species we seem to be very reluctant to find out - we’ve just accepted bat soup or bioterrorism and just moved on. Meaning that we’ve learned absolutely nothing to prevent it happening again.

    alternative_factor , (edited )
    @alternative_factor@kbin.social avatar

    From the genetics of the virus we can tell it originally came from either Pangolins or species of bats which are local to Asia only, which is why the wet market hypothesis is so popular in the first place because the virus is 99% similar to that of one found in Chinese pangolins. The 1% genetic difference could come from a lab on accident, but that would most likely be from the Wuhan lab and not for Detrick because the Wuhan lab was in fact experimenting with Chinese bats.

    EDIT for sources:
    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abh0117

    TheOctonaut ,

    Do you understand that still the leap from “It’s 99% similar to Chinese pangolin coronavirus” (and hey, you’re 99% similar to a Ugandan chimp) and “so the other 1% probably came from a lab in Wuhan”? Again, Wuhan is literally only linked to this story as the first place it was reported. No evidence at all places it in Wuhan first. We can say that’s a Chinese cover-up, but go ahead and say that, and recognise it as speculation.

    alternative_factor ,
    @alternative_factor@kbin.social avatar

    Dude I'm a microbioligst, just look at the cladisitics of all the viruses similar to SARS-COIVD-2, it's undeniable that the virus is from China because of its similarity to that of the viruses in the pangolin and, it's like saying humans don't come from Africa, just because 1% is a big deal does not mean that all the genetic evidence shows that ALL its relatives come from China, just as ALL early homo species come from Africa.

    TheOctonaut , (edited )

    I’m absolutely 100% with you on it coming from Asian pangolins. That even quite likely ties it to Asian wet markets, or the illegal hunting trade. SARS and MERS were both zoonotic too. SARS came from the abuse of palm civets.

    What you seem to not understand - and here’s where I get to dick-swing my tangentially related credentials - is that ‘wet markets’ are everywhere in China and indeed Asia. There’s a dozen in Wuhan alone. ‘Fresh market’ would be a much better name - it’s the opposite to a dry market, ie shelf-life goods and non-perishables. Google just calls them “Farmer’s Markets”, which is what they would be called in the US.

    Fresh markets also happen to be places that people travel distance to get to - traders bringing produce, and people traveling to get stuff. Pangolins from as far away as India and Indonesia end up in China. The trade of exotic animals and especially ones with Chinese ‘medicine’ applications is horrendous in tropical Asia, where I spent a number of years, visiting China only once. It has a lot to do with why I turned veggie!

    So again, there are thousands if not hundreds of thousands of ‘wet markets’ in Asia. The only distinction that one of Wuhan’s has is that it was reported there first, at least three months after the virus had already spread - maybe from China - as far as Italy. It makes it absurd to tie things up nice and simply as “oh, and there’s a virology lab in that city of 11 million people. Must have been a leak”. We have no idea.

    I’m in Ireland. My grandmother died of a sudden and rapid onset of pneumonia in December 2019 that did not respond to ordinary treatment. My son was sick with something like a flu that give him the sniffles and sapped all energy from him for 2 days, which sticks only in mind because keeping him home resulted in a fight with the in-laws which means they haven’t seen him since. Could either of those things have been Covid? Again, no idea. Nobody sent anyone for strain testing, and Ireland, like most places, does not habitually keep waste treatment plant samples for later testing. Nobody has suggested an absurd cover-up by the Irish government of course. And the stories of a “bad flu” in autumn and winter of 2019 are everywhere.

    UK flu season ‘starting early’: …nhs.uk/…/public-urged-to-act-fast-to-avoid-festi…

    Europe in general complaining about flu symptoms and dry coughs in Winter 2019, analysed statistically: www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-81333-1

    USA, higher cases than usual in South: cnbc.com/…/us-flu-season-arrives-early-driven-by-…

    And, for all that’s useful about it, at least anecdotally from non-Chinese sources in Wuhan, the particular wet market didn’t even have pangolins or bats.

    ox.ac.uk/…/wet-market-sources-covid-19-bats-and-p…

    alternative_factor , (edited )
    @alternative_factor@kbin.social avatar

    Everything you posted is circumstantial and CVOID is not like the flu in presentation. In fact to compare COVID to flu is conpiratorial in nature so I'm cutting it off with you here.
    "It makes it absurd to tie things up nice and simply as “oh, and there’s a virology lab in that city of 11 million people. Must have been a leak”. We have no idea."
    I did not say for sure it came from a lab, I am saying that if it did it probably came from the one in Wuhan, and you even aknowledge that I said the most likely case is pangolins in China, I'm going to just cut it off with you now because unfortunately you contradict yourself way to much and you're basically stuck in circular logic that it can't have come from china because you don't want it to have come from China.
    You admit the first report comes from Wuhan, and all the genetic evidence points to it having come from an animal that had to be from asia at the very least, but then do another 180 and say well maybe it was from another place in asia, even though the first reports are from china, then you say I for sure said it was from a lab while I did not say that.

    But for the last thing I say let me show you what COVID relatives we are talking about here, in order of how related they are to covid:
    -RPYN06- first sequenced in China's Yunnan provience
    -RMYN02 - Also Yunnan province
    -PrC31- also Yunan province
    These are the closest relatives of COVID, they are ALL from China's Yunnan province.

    Other relatives:
    RAtg13 - Also Yunnan province
    RshSTT183 - Actually cambodia! only five degrees of seperation!!
    RshSTT200- Cambodia too
    CoVZC45- Uh oh! China again!
    CoVZXC21- China again again
    longquan140- China

    so yeah, it's obviously from china. All of is ancestor are from China, except for the two from Cambodia and there's no contesting that.

    TheOctonaut ,

    Covid absolutely is like the flu in presentation to ordinary people. That’s quite literally how the warning was communicated to the general public. Here’s quite literally the first sentence from my local health authority’s guidance.

    Flu and COVID-19 The symptoms of COVID-19 (coronavirus) are like flu symptoms. The main difference is that you usually do not have shortness of breath when you have the flu.

    www2.hse.ie/conditions/flu/symptoms-diagnosis/

    At no point have I said it can’t have come from China. I said quite the opposite. I’m saying the first report coming from Wuhan in particular and a single wet market from the thousands in China when the specific virus had already spread internationally anywhere from 3 to 6 months earlier is an absurd thing for you to insist it came from Wuhan originally, and a ridiculous thing to make you say ‘most likely from the lab because they were studying bats’. Because yes, you did say it was ‘most likely’ from the Wuhan lab.

    You’re trying to paint me as a conspiracy theorist because you like your own baseless conspiracy theory?

    alternative_factor ,
    @alternative_factor@kbin.social avatar

    Where did I say it most likely came from a lab, qoute me right now.

    TheOctonaut , (edited )

    the virus is 99% similar to that of one found in Chinese pangolins. The 1% genetic difference could come from a lab on accident, but that would most likely be from the Wuhan lab

    Did you, like, forget your own post? “On accident”?

    Again, for the millionth time: it showing up in Wuhan in December means literally nothing to the origin of the virus if it, and I’ll be very clear here and agree in principle to literally everything else you’ve said, if it had spread from Yunnan province (in tropical Asia) to Italy by September or indeed May.

    And, because you edited in the stuff about Yunnan apparently after I’d gone to sleep: Wuhan is in Heibei province in Central China. Not Yunnan. Any pangolins in any market even if present (and scientists tracking trafficked animals from Oxford say they weren’t), would have come from further south such as, yes, Yunnan. Or any of dozens of other places in tropical Asia, from where someone could also have in a single day traveled to Europe.

    I simply cannot understand how an educated person would boil it down to this idea:

    The virus is 99% similar to one in pangolins in Yunnan province and so if coming from a lab it must come from a lab in Wuhan, Heibei where they studied bats, and then it either spread from there in December 2019 to the people in Wuhan but also and traveled in time and space to Italy in September 2019, or spread from the lab at some undetermined time but did not affect anyone in China for 3 months, spreading instead to Italy and Spain and other places and eventually decided, like so many Chinese people, to return home for Chinese New Year back first to the exact city it came from, in Central China.

    s_s ,

    Again, Wuhan is literally only linked to this story as the first place it was reported. No evidence at all places it in Wuhan first.

    And this is how you can completely deny reality.

    deft ,

    “signaling that it might have spread beyond China earlier than thought.”

    they still suggest Chinese origin

    Silverseren ,

    It came from the wild. They, along with Germany and other labs, were researching Sars related wild vectors and the possibility of natural selection causing a new outbreak.

    I find it reasonable to believe a biosafety incident at the Wuhan lab infected several of the lab researchers and that led to the pandemic.

    But that's the extent of where things go. Conspiracies about bioweapons are idiotic.

    AfricanExpansionist , (edited )

    I remembered reading early on that someone sold a carcass from the lab to a wet market. I think that’s probably Western propaganda and I have no idea whether that’s true.

    However, in China there were posters in every restaurant saying to avoid eating such meats. They started to appear in the first half of 2020. I saw them in Shanghai, Ningbo, and Hangzhou.

    Maybe the government just saw it as a useful opportunity to steer the public toward factory-produced meats that fall under the “safe umbrella” of capitalism. Either one is interesting to think about

    Chetzemoka ,

    I thought this as well (massive safety events being a pretty normal thing, after all) until last year when the wet market swab data was finally analyzed. (After apparently being leaked? Accidentally? Accidentally on purpose?)

    www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715

    “Both early lineages of SARS-CoV-2 were geographically associated with the market”

    CloutAtlas , to worldnews in China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals

    Focusing on Chinese drones that end up in Russia while completely ignoring the Chinese drones that end up in the Ukraine is some cherry picking I expected from the Telegraph. Products and components are made in China, which shouldn’t come as a surprise.

    https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/97fc3a21-c703-45d8-96fd-2f599d916fd6.png

    Parsani ,
    @Parsani@hexbear.net avatar

    This is referring to consumer level drones too right? Like DJI stuff?

    GaveUp ,

    Ukraine only has consumer drones, I don’t think they have any military drones

    Parsani ,
    @Parsani@hexbear.net avatar

    I thought they had some for some reason

    People need to start distinguishing between the little quadcopters you can buy at walmart, and fucking reaper drones. Headlines like “China is selling drones to Russia” makes it seem like it isn’t a $150 drone bought off fucking aliexpress

    GaveUp ,

    That lack of distinction is 100% on purpose since China dominates the consumer drones market and they’re so versatile and capable that countries all over the world including the US buy DJI drones for military operations

    Can blame China for giving every country “drones”

    pastermil ,

    Gotta get that drones, man…

    Redcat ,

    china dominates the consumer goods market, period. by these standards the chinese have been supplying every NATO war for the past 20 years.

    s0ykaf ,
    @s0ykaf@hexbear.net avatar

    the chinese have been supplying every NATO war for the past 20 years.

    smh revisionism has really gone too far

    SeaJ ,

    They do. They have Bayraktar drones.

    I do agree that the lack of distinction is kind of stupid.

    ElHexo ,
    SeaJ ,

    However, a year later, nearly all of them are believed to have been shot down by Russian forces.

    The remaining killer drones are now reduced to reconnaissance duties, an expert said.

    This would mean they still have some.

    Chapo_is_Red ,

    Pretty sure they have Baryraktar drones, purchased from Turkey, among other military drones.

    SeaJ ,

    I don’t think you can buy Bayraktar drones from your local general store…

    InternetUser2012 , to world in Putin seizes $100m from Google to fund Russia’s war machine (in 2020)

    Stealing from google to fund your war that you’re getting ammo from North Korea. Things are not going well for Putin are they.

    mp3 ,
    @mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

    I just hope Disney still have some money in Russia and he dares stealing from the mouse itself. He’ll be in for quite the ride.

    Imperor ,
    @Imperor@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t know. Disney lost against Ron DeSantis on home turf. Not quite sure what they are going to do against a foreign actor.

    BigDanishGuy ,

    The Mouse, uh, finds a way…

    I definitely wouldn’t want to steal from Mr Mouse

    MinFapper ,

    O_o they lost?

    I didn’t follow it till the end but I thought they were kicking his ass

    Imperor ,
    @Imperor@lemmy.world avatar

    Sadly they did not kick his ass. They sort of settled in the end, but they lost their special status and self governance stuff to a board controlled by DeSantis but he put a few pro Disney faces on that board to get it all to settle. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney_v._DeSantis

    jopepa , to technology in Google develops selfie scanning software ahead of porn crackdown

    So they’re collecting photos of minors who are most likely naked to protect those minors from the dangers of porn? Flawless work; the children are now safe.

    sukhmel ,

    It will probably say “by taking selfie I confirm that I am older than 18 or at least wear clothes” so it’s fine (legally (maybe))

    LesserAbe ,

    If you read the article it’s not about naked selfies, it’s about verifying the age of people visiting porn sites

    jopepa ,

    I saw a sign up/pay wall so I didn’t bother, but on principle this is fucked up enough to baselessly mock.

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