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Klnsfw , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

I hate having several package managers coexisting on my computer, and the only advantage of snap is that it solves a problem I’ve never encountered in 25 years.

prettybunnys , to lemmyshitpost in Desperate for changing, starving for truth...

MEMORY UNLOCKED

Track_Shovel OP ,

Just like that, you’re unironically wearing a pooka shell necklace again

kn0wmad1c , to lemmyshitpost in Ideas
@kn0wmad1c@programming.dev avatar

The thing on the bottom is called Neopolitan, not Napolean. F-tier meme

Track_Shovel OP ,
Kusimulkku ,

Tricolor I’ve heard

alsaaas , (edited ) to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project
@alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

snaps are a proprietary vendor-locked format, the only redeeming quality is being able to run them in cli (once Flatpak get that too, there is no valid reason for snaps to exist).

I just find it midly infuriating (if that even is a thing, meaning I hate it but it’s not that significant for me to distro hop on my work laptop) to have two “universal” package formats on my system with Canonical shoving the objectively worse one (from a free/libre pov) down my throat…

ReCursing ,
@ReCursing@kbin.social avatar

I've used flatpak only once, but I am pretty sure I ran it through the cli. Did I imagine that? i might have imagined that, it was a while ago

alsaaas ,
@alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

no you didn’t, you can install flatpak using the terminal but iirc flatpak are mostly made with GUI applications in mind, while snaps support installing command line utils quite well

ReCursing ,
@ReCursing@kbin.social avatar

Ah, fair enough, probbaly me misremembering then

Samueru ,

(once Flatpak get that too, there is no valid reason for snaps to exist).

They said they will not fix it due to “security concerns”

XEAL , (edited ) to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

snap is OK vs compiling stuff.

But it is bullshit that they “snapped” things like Firefox, which has a repo with .debs

Edit: typo

hedgehogging_the_bed , to lemmyshitpost in Ideas

Only here for everyone else who got Ace of Base’s “Wheel of Fortune” stuck in their head after this post.

ArumiOrnaught , to lemmyshitpost in Ideas

That's spumoni.

sangriaferret ,

Ha, you’re right. That adds a whole other layer of shitpostness.

hperrin , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

It’s not successful though. Like, maybe if your measure of success is that it’s usable, sure. But no other OSes have adopted it. Not even Ubuntu’s downstream OSes like Mint or Pop_OS!.

Users don’t like it, vendors don’t like it, other OS maintainers don’t like it. I’m not sure why that would be considered successful.

TheFrirish , (edited )

Correct me if I’m wrong but Ubuntu is the mostly used Linux desktop OS out there so I wouldn’t call it unsuccessful.

Edit : I’m an idiot I can’t read snaps are not successful Ubuntu is

caseyweederman ,

Hm. And you’d give Snaps the credit for that?

TheFrirish ,

that’s not relevant here although It would be even more successful without snaps imo

Stalinwolf , to lemmyshitpost in Ideas
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I work with a woman who is just… something else. She went on and on about the new Napoleon cake the bakery was selling. She eventually brought us some. It was neapolitan.

eighty , to lemmyshitpost in Ideas

For the sake of the meme, I will out myself and say that I’ve been confusing Napoleon and Neapolitan for all my life. I feel seen.

jaromil , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project
@jaromil@fed.dyne.org avatar

why depict RMS this way

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

They forgot the halo.

Mio , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

When Mozilla provide the firefox deb package - Why not give it then? IMO snaps/flatpacks are slower to start, can’t be updated while running, takes more diskspace, and takes longer time to update. With the isolation we also have different kind of problems - have you given it the correct permission?, and how do you get keepassxc browser extension to work with it(they dont support it)?

Mio , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

I don’t really see a problem with a snaps/flatpaks as long as they are not on application I use every day.

But maybe it is easier if we have one standard instead of two.

ForgotAboutDre ,

Multiple standards are good, initially. Multiple visions and approaches can get tested. The best hopefully displaced the rest, whilst picking up all the other good ideas.

If there was only one standard we would get stuck with snaps with no alternatives.

Mio ,

I look at this from the developers perspective. Only need to learn one is good.

fruitycoder , (edited ) to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

Nix, guix, flatpak, and OSI images are all better “universal” packages managers on sheer technical merits while also not be a vendor locked proprietary solution.

Snaps are worse than what Redhat is doing.

dream_weasel ,

Sheer* probably. Unless there a technical merit about cutting stuff.

fruitycoder ,

Thx!

dream_weasel ,

Np. We programmer types gotta help each other keep docs sharp ;)

Fal ,
@Fal@yiffit.net avatar

Also than*

fruitycoder ,

MR accepted. Thx!

corsicanguppy , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

Former Unix security chief.

Do not use snaps. Risky as hell.

ASK_ME_ABOUT_LOOM ,

Why? I’ve heard this for years at this point, but as someone who rarely uses snaps because they’re the only convenient option for software I’m using, I’m generally ambivalent about them.

People seem to hold really strong opinions about snap but I’ve never been able to get a straight answer, just a bunch of hand waving.

Verat , (edited )

Mainly the snap client doesnt let you configure a secondary source, and ubuntu’s repo doesn’t have a good track record of not providing malware.

…wordpress.com/…/malware-in-the-ubuntu-snap-store…

bleepingcomputer.com/…/ubuntu-command-not-found-t…

linuxuprising.com/…/malware-found-in-ubuntu-snap-…

ASK_ME_ABOUT_LOOM ,

So that’s admittedly not a good look for canonical, but my read of that is that if you’re getting widely-known software from a developer who’s publishing it to snap themselves, and you’re cautious about your usage, snap is fine.

For example, essentially my only use of snap is to install certbot. If I follow the directions from certbot.eff.org precisely, then I’ll get certbot installed and no issues.

I certainly agree that (a) the system is ripe for abuse and (b) should be self-hostable to support Free software. Both of these could be fixed by canonical opening it up.

pc36 ,

My biggest hit was when they pushed browsers to snaps, and I couldn’t do some of my school projects because my school stuff was on a separate disk that the snap was not allowed to access. (Had to use o365, and wasn’t installing windows to write my papers)

In short, it messed up my workflow.

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