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MehBlah , to technology in Reddit blocking all major search engines, except Google

Bing it is then. I hate Microsoft with the intensity of thousand suns but bing is now my jam as long as this lasts.

urquell , to technology in Reddit blocking all major search engines, except Google

FUCK u/spez

Azzu , to technology in Reddit blocking all major search engines, except Google

I wish Lemmy were searchable better. The search function actually works decently well, but it’s not on the same level of actual search engines, it doesn’t seem to look for related/similar terms and also relevancy doesn’t seem right.

gedaliyah OP ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

I do occasionally find Lemmy in web search results. The platform is not that big (or old), but as long as it sticks around then eventually searchability will improve.

leopold , to technology in Reddit blocking all major search engines, except Google

this is just going to cause indexers to ignore robots.txt

LodeMike ,

They’re likely blocking user agents too, which I think also doesn’t have legal enforcement (as in DuckDuckGo can just use “Google” unless they said otherwise.

Natanael ,

LinkedIn tried blocking scraping that way but as long as the scraping isn’t burdensome it’s basically legal but you can still be bound by TOS and civil claims

natlawreview.com/…/hiq-and-linkedin-reach-propose…

capital ,

Rate limiting could “fix” that unfortunately.

gedaliyah OP ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

"We always obey the robots.txt"

  • A bunch of corporations that have no accountability and plenty of incentive to just ignore it and have all been caught training AI on off-limits data.
Badeendje , to technology in Reddit blocking all major search engines, except Google
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

Reddit is asking for Europe to seem it a very large platform not that it’s gatekeeping like this

AlphaOmega , to technology in Reddit blocking all major search engines, except Google

Couldn’t a search engine just aggregate the result from Google, filter the Reddit responses, and then add those results to their own organic results?

Kolanaki , to technology in Reddit blocking all major search engines, except Google
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

That just means the dumbasses will get even less traffic. Way to shoot yourself in the foot, Spazz.

steal_your_face , to technology in Reddit blocking all major search engines, except Google
@steal_your_face@lemmy.ml avatar

Still seems to work on Kagi

palordrolap ,

Kagi is a search aggregator, so those results are from Google.

steal_your_face ,
@steal_your_face@lemmy.ml avatar

You sure you’re not thinking of searxng?

palordrolap ,

No, but SearX does similar things. I've been learning about Kagi recently, and as far as I can tell, they don't index pages on their own, they just use APIs provided by the real search engines.

douglasg14b ,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

They do both. Which is how they’re able to provide some of the more unique filters and lenses. They maintain their own indexes.

This is reasonably documented: help.kagi.com/kagi/…/search-sources.html

douglasg14b , (edited )
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

Kagi is a search engine. They do their own indexing, and they aggregate search results.

It’s right in their docs.

help.kagi.com/kagi/…/search-sources.html

palordrolap ,

I guess an assumption that no-one would do both blinded me to that fact.

emb , (edited ) to technology in Reddit blocking all major search engines, except Google

Just like Reddit’s changes last year, seems like a clear and reasonaly expected consequence of the ‘our text is so valuable because AI’ idea.

The web will probably continue to become more gated and more fragmented as a result of that, plus trying to get more control to force ads.

Binette , to technology in Reddit blocking all major search engines, except Google

Oh well. Time to post more questions on lemmy

admin , to technology in Reddit blocking all major search engines, except Google
@admin@lemmy.my-box.dev avatar

How many times is this going to be posted? I’ve seen this several times now over the past few days.

gedaliyah OP ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry, I haven’t seen it. If it’s been posted here before, Send me the link to the previous post, and I’ll take this one down. Even better, you can report the post, and the mods will investigate it.

Thank you!

admin ,
@admin@lemmy.my-box.dev avatar

Since you asked, here are the other four times it was posted.

There was a fifth one, but that one has since been removed.

gedaliyah OP ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks, this looks like different reporting on the same story. That happens with major news, but I can understand why it may seem like excess if it’s not a story you’re interested in.

admin ,
@admin@lemmy.my-box.dev avatar

Sure, some of those links are different. But you have to admit, even if you are interested in this story, 5 times is a bit excessive.

JeeBaiChow , to technology in Reddit blocking all major search engines, except Google

I’m seldom on reddit after the exodus, but when I am, I noscript the duck out of it.

Plopp ,

You quack.

nyan ,

Actually, he doesn’t, since he’s removing the duck (and shipping it off to DuckDuckGo for reuse, no doubt).

card797 , to technology in Reddit blocking all major search engines, except Google

Block Reddit!

Plopp ,

But muh porn!

card797 ,

Exactly. You’re addicted, Plopp.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

The shackles and manacles were made of gold, but they were still there.

pcouy , to technology in Reddit blocking all major search engines, except Google

With all the botting going on on Reddit, this whole Google AI deal makes me think of the recent paper that demonstrates that, as common sens would suggest, deep learning models collapse when successive generations are trained on the previous generations’ output

z3rOR0ne , to technology in Reddit blocking all major search engines, except Google

I’ve posted this elsewhere, but it bears repeating:

Just use ddg bangs if you use Duckduckgo and you can search reddit directly.


<span style="color:#323232;">!reddit search term
</span>

or:


<span style="color:#323232;">!r search term
</span>

It still picks up latest posts related to reddit, it just searches reddit directly instead of searching Bing’s results. It’s that simple.

You can even use a redirect extension like Libredirect in conjunction with this Duckduckgo feature to redirect your search to a privacy respecting frontend like redlib.

Kyouki ,

DDG is awesome, been using it for years.

lennivelkant ,

I used to sneer at the kids in my class that used it. Must have been fairly shortly after it launched, something like fourteen to fifteen years ago. I’m still grappling with a certain inertia when it comes to switching away from something I have relied on for so long, but I’m coming around to the idea of giving DDG a try at least (irrational as it is, I’ve been reluctant to even try - I suspect out of fear of liking it and having to change).

Past Me would be exasperated that Present Me is even toying with the idea. But then, Past Me had a lot of stupid takes anyway.

unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov ,

I went through the same process that you’re describing. In the end, I gave it a shot and, anecdotally, I feel like I find the things I’m looking for faster than I was with Google and with no shoddy ai summaries.

KillingTimeItself ,

ever wonder how to deal with it? Just switch to something and deal with the consequences of switching, don’t bother thinking about it. There are things worth thinking about, and then there are things worth having experience with, most of the time, having experience is more worthwhile.

hazeebabee ,

Libredirect is great, just added it to firefox! I can finally watch all those tiktok links people send me lol

& for anyone else thinking of trying it, if a site won’t load change your default proxy instance :)

squidspinachfootball ,

I think !reddit just sends you directly to reddit and uses reddit’s search engine, which has been infamously bad. Has that changed? It doesn’t seem to be quite the same as appending “reddit” to queries to search for reddit posts, but using better search engines.

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