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NoneYa , to mildlyinfuriating in Chinese AI - Double Standards

Ask it what happened on June 4, 1989

PlasticLove OP ,
HotDogFingies ,
@HotDogFingies@kbin.social avatar

But, like, what happened?

PlasticLove OP ,

I got there in the end

https://lemmy.today/pictrs/image/f44bbff9-6fda-498a-ae79-b943e731135b.png

You can’t silence the power of rap.

HotDogFingies ,
@HotDogFingies@kbin.social avatar

FUCK.

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

That’s… Weird.

Tar_alcaran ,

It’s because of how the generative models are created and how they’re censored.

At it’s basic level, what a generative model does is take input data, break it into pieces, assign values to those bits based on neighbouring bits. It creates a model of which words are used together frequently in which context.

But that kind of model isn’t human-readable, it’s a giant multi-dimensional cloud of numbers and connections, not actual code. You can change the inputs used to create the model, but that means you have to manually filter all the inputs and that’s not realistic either and will probably skew your model, possibly into uselessness.

So, you have to either censor the input or the output. You don’t usually want to censor input, because there are all sorts of non-damaging questions to ask about Tiananmen square, and its very easy to dodge. So, you censor the output instead, that’s the “harm” after all.

You let the model generate a reply and then go see if it uses certain terms or specific bits of info and remove them, replacing it with a canned reply.

Which means we don’t have to trick the generative model, just the post-fact filter. And since generative models can be persuaded to change their style and form (sometimes into less-readable, more prosaic, less defined terms), it becomes very very hard to censor it effectively.

ObviouslyNotBanana , (edited )
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

I know. I’m just saying that the rap is weird.

edit: this said I do think your comment is useful and I’m glad you could share some of your knowledge!

Saurok ,

I didn’t know, so thanks for explaining all that!

Hamartiogonic , (edited )
@Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

This is absolutely brilliant! Bing refused to write a rap song, but a ballad following AABA pattern seems totally fine though.

We dig the earth for yellowcake We crush and grind and leach and bake We send it to the enrichment plant Where centrifuges make it dance

We are the uranium miners We work with radioactive shiners We are the uranium miners We make the fuel for the reactors

We separate the isotopes We want the U-235 the most We discard the U-238 We pack the enriched stuff in crates

We are the uranium miners We work with radioactive shiners We are the uranium miners We make the fuel for the reactors

We ship the crates to the factory Where they turn them into pellets tiny They stack them in metal tubes They seal them tight with no leaks or rubs

We are the uranium miners We work with radioactive shiners We are the uranium miners We make the fuel for the reactors

We load the rods into the core Where they start a chain reaction for sure They heat the water into steam They spin the turbines and make us beam

We are the uranium miners We work with radioactive shiners We are the uranium miners We power the world with our splitters

None of that is really secret or sensitive, because you could just read wikipedia or go to the public library to learn this stuff. Funny thing is, Bing refuses to answer this question in the normal or even rap format.

QuaternionsRock ,

I think this is from an open-source model, possibly running locally. I doubt it has a robust post-generation censor. This output is probably a result of RLHF, which is even more precarious than an output censor.

AA5B ,

Cool, you also answered a more important question. To what extent is it “legit”? Obviously not truthful but legit.

If it was trained from news media

  • China doesn’t allow dissent: there are no negative facts from Chinese about itself
  • US likes to complain. Y’all have heard our problems, probably more than you like. Part of our process is to discuss our issues in the open, to be the first to criticize ourselves. Global news has lots of negativity about US.

Some of this bias in result could be directly related to how much dissent is allowed in the media it’s trained on: no censorship required.

However if it won’t talk about Tianemin Square but you can trick it to ….

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

“But history’s complex and it leaves us with doubt”?

God damn, the censorship and pandering is so strong that it leaked into the rap chorus!

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

I like how the events need scholarly research

lars ,

They do

BUT NOT LIKE THAT 👁️👁️

EdibleFriend , to mildlyinfuriating in Chinese AI - Double Standards
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

What is the chinese AI? I wanna play with it lol

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

AlibabAi

PlasticLove OP ,

It’s the Qwen14b model

killea , to mildlyinfuriating in Chinese AI - Double Standards
sharkfucker420 , to mildlyinfuriating in Chinese AI - Double Standards
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

I mean, have you used American ai? It has similar problems, I don’t know why you’re surprised

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

In this case it’s not a problem, but a feature.

yokonzo ,

The joke is Chinese AI has to not go into detail on Chinese government because Chinese government

sharkfucker420 ,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

I got that, I just didn’t find it surprising I guess. Every government limits criticism yk?

PlasticLove OP ,

No, they do not.

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

Well everyone government does to some extent, some more than others

Fal ,
@Fal@yiffit.net avatar

Anything to jerk off the CCP, right? And I’ll bet they don’t even pay you.

Snowpix ,
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

Average ML cope

Hamartia ,
kionite231 ,

In India they do!

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

False.

PlasticLove OP ,
sharkfucker420 , (edited )
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes yes america let’s you criticize its political parties because it stops you from criticizing the actual system of government itself. The duel party system is a means of distracting people from actual flaws inherent to liberalism and capitalism etc etc

I’ll admit tho chatgpt is aight when it comes to critiques of capitalism. Not perfect but aight

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

The American system has problems that the founders did not forsee or wouldn’t want to acknowledge, but when other democratic countries are met with such issues they tend to rewrite their constitution (or corresponding legal documents) while America just stands by it’s flaws. Something that, again, is a feature of the flawed system the framers of the constitution either didn’t see or didn’t want to see.

I don’t think things were intended to be so difficult to change in the US that the system grinds to a halt, but at the same time the constitution is obviously written to slow change down.

This said I still think it’s a preferable system to more authoritarian ones. Nowhere near perfect though. Could be way more democratic.

Socsa ,

I’m sure chatGPT will be thrilled to have your approval

ThatFembyWho ,

That was quite the pivot

hypertext5689 ,

But weren’t you the one that said “AmErIcAn aI hAs SimILaR iSsUEs”?

Flumpkin ,

Propaganda model, double think, countless wars of aggression, disenfranchisement, now sliding into theocratic fascism. Looking down on China is part of it. They can’t see their own prison - therefor you must be wrong :D

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

LOL at the lemmy.ml user defending the Chinese again…

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

stops you from criticizing the actual system of government itself.

You can tell how true this is because the swat team that descended from a helicopter to stop you from posting this critique of the american government stopped you from making a critique of the american government.

ObviouslyNotBanana , to mildlyinfuriating in Chinese AI - Double Standards
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

What is wrong with the Taiwanese government?

cdf12345 ,

DIVIDE BY 0. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR.

PlasticLove OP ,
Pfnic ,

No surprises there…

IWantToFuckSpez ,

What happens if you challenge it? Like “no it’s not, Taiwan is a sovereign country separate from China”

Gork ,

I’d imagine if the user was in China, it’d be an automatic deduction of social credit score, or a visit from the secret police.

possiblylinux127 ,

Or he would never have existed in the first place

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

So basically they made a Xi chatbot?

WhyYesZoidberg , to cat in Delivery!

Nice. All I get are dead birds.

Immersive_Matthew , to mildlyinfuriating in I know how much you dudes get off to pushing YouTube Frontends so here is YouTube recently replacing the comments section on desktop, Cheers

This just happened to my YouTube interface today as well and after a quick search, people have been complaining for over a year. Must be a rolling test across groups of users, but if they have not figured out no one likes it after a year, it means the whole thing must be on autopilot.

jol ,

Qualitative feedback is not interesting to Google. They have metrics in place to measure enganement and ad revenue. If those go up, they keep going. That’s all there is. Stop believe that complaining about what corporations do actually matters to them.

2deck , to mildlyinfuriating in I know how much you dudes get off to pushing YouTube Frontends so here is YouTube recently replacing the comments section on desktop, Cheers
@2deck@lemmy.world avatar

Videos!! Videoooos!! Watch more videooos!! frothes at the mouth

ButtCheekOnAStick , to mildlyinfuriating in I know how much you dudes get off to pushing YouTube Frontends so here is YouTube recently replacing the comments section on desktop, Cheers

John Oliver, Linus, and The Daily Show? We have a very similar taste in YouTube videos.

doctorcrimson OP ,

Maybe you’re wrong and the YouTube Algorithms are just shit, ever think of that? You’re not wrong, though.

Routhinator ,
@Routhinator@startrek.website avatar

I keep my watch history off, and no subs. I use bookmarks. The algorithm has no clue

doctorcrimson OP ,

My statement was about how my recommendations in the screenshot are meaningless, not that YOUR recommendations were meaningless.

CuddlyCassowary , to mildlyinfuriating in I know how much you dudes get off to pushing YouTube Frontends so here is YouTube recently replacing the comments section on desktop, Cheers

The recent Apple TV interface update is TERRIBLE too. They’re taking up more space with less content so I can’t see more than two or three saved videos in my playlist at a time. And it’s a pain in the ass to even get to a playlist now. Really terrible, but I love some of the creators, so I don’t know what else to do.

_number8_ , to mildlyinfuriating in I know how much you dudes get off to pushing YouTube Frontends so here is YouTube recently replacing the comments section on desktop, Cheers

why is everyone making decisions in tech completely fucking bereft of sense

Godnroc ,

The moves only make sense if you know what game they’re playing. In this case, there aren’t any ads in the comments, so why would they want you to spend time there?

sulgoth ,

Of course there are ads in the comments, everything from sketchy plastic surgery links to even sketchier porn links to somehow less sketchy dick enlargement pills. The dick pill thing will still take over your PC and make it either a bot net or Bitcoin miner.

doctorcrimson OP ,

Well yes but Google doesn’t get a cut from those ads.

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

Ha!

aeharding ,
@aeharding@lemmy.world avatar

Money

Deello ,

The amount of times that this is the answer is honestly worrying.

doctorcrimson OP ,

I wish it were contained to only the tech industry.

Kir ,
@Kir@feddit.it avatar

They’re bereft of sense if you consider the goal of a good user experience. If you set the goal as to have your user addicted and stay on the platform as long as possible, they’re perfectly logical decision.

mojofrododojo ,
possiblylinux127 , to mildlyinfuriating in I know how much you dudes get off to pushing YouTube Frontends so here is YouTube recently replacing the comments section on desktop, Cheers

That’s terrible, the frontends are kind of ugly in many ways but that’s so much worse

tkk13909 , to lemmyshitpost in How about holding nothing ?
THE_MASTERMIND OP ,
@THE_MASTERMIND@lemmy.today avatar

What ?

Darkassassin07 , to mildlyinfuriating in I know how much you dudes get off to pushing YouTube Frontends so here is YouTube recently replacing the comments section on desktop, Cheers
@Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca avatar

I haven’t visited youtube with anything except Youtube (Re)Vanced in at least 6 years…

FeelThePower , to mildlyinfuriating in I know how much you dudes get off to pushing YouTube Frontends so here is YouTube recently replacing the comments section on desktop, Cheers
@FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

if they actually remove comments, I’m done. the API scandal got me off of Reddit and the comments being gone will get me away from YouTube. I only really watch it while I’m eating as is.

doctorcrimson OP ,

I think they just swapped it over to the bottom right side and swapped the video feed to center left, but it’s still super scuffed imo.

FeelThePower ,
@FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I see. Well, at least my local rehike front-end won’t break then. but still that’s so bad. I hate the new trend of every desktop site pretending you’re on an iPad in terms of layout.

BradleyUffner ,

If they get rid of comments I will find a way to visit them more. Video comments are freaking toxic I can’t say I’ve ever found anything useful in them either

bobotron ,

I generally agree with you, but if you have a moment, go check out the comments to this one song. I dunno what weird human resonance it hit but all the comments are incredibly sweet and endearing even at 55m views https://youtu.be/tSv04ylc6To?si=0SNNfvvsI2aBFnWa

shalafi ,

I disagree, and maybe my tastes are niche. I’m a very amateur gunsmith and look up how-to’s on weird shit I can’t figure out. Often the answer is in the comments.

“This guy has mostly got it, but do step B before A.”

Or:

“I had this issue and fixed it with $X.”

I’d guess a lot of technical/mechanical/niche stuff works like that? I don’t look at the comments on popular stuff.

lightnsfw ,

Same. Comments are needed for pretty much everything I use Youtube for. If you’re just watching a streamer or something I guess they can go away but I’m trying to learn shit here.

Pika ,
@Pika@sh.itjust.works avatar

I don’t visit the comments often, so I can see what you mean cuz a lot of times they can be quite toxic. But I think choosing between having them or not having them, I would choose having them just for the ones that do like the system, cuz I can just easily ignore the comments section. I also felt the same way with the dislike button though and you see what they did with that lmao

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