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MerrySkeptic ,

Fuck Russia

yogthos OP ,
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so brave!

MerrySkeptic ,

I’ll say it louder then:

FUCK RUSSIA! FUCK PUTIN! FUCK EVERY AVERAGE RUSSIAN WHO THINKS INVADING A NEIGHBORING COUNTRY BECAUSE YOU FEEL LIKE IT IS FINE AND JUSTIFIES IT WITH “MIGHT MAKES RIGHT!” FUCK EVERY FASCIST OUT THERE!

I’m not brave. Every Ukrainian who has fought,bled, and died despite the odds is brave. For every Ukrainian soldier lost, I hope Russia loses 10.

yogthos OP ,
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Every Ukrainian that fought, bled, and died is a victim of a western backed regime that allowed its country to be used in a proxy war with Russia. Every westerner that keeps cheering this on is a deplorable psychopath. The fact that you think this is about justifications shows that you’re nothing more than a useful idiot facilitating atrocities.

MerrySkeptic ,

Let’s be clear here. I’m not cheering on this war. I hope it ends tomorrow. The loss of life is tragic. And guee smehat? There’s one person in particular that could make it end today. The same person who started this war. Vladimir Putin.

Why should the onus of peace be placed on a country that did nothing to provoke Russia? Ukraine cannot be faulted for defending its borders and refusing to allow a second Crimea.

But since ol’ Vlad is hellbent on making the Foundations of Geopolitics text a reality, then I say fuck him and every person who helps facilitate or justify this illegal war. If he wants to make another land grab then I hope it costs him as much as it possibly can. Because the alternative is that countries like Russia just take land whenever they feel like it.

Better yet, I hope there is mass insurrection in the Russian army and they just refuse to engage. But then we’d probably see a lot of people’s family members strangely falling off balconies. Weird how that works.

yogthos OP ,
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There’s one person in particular that could make it end today. The same person who started this war. Vladimir Putin.

It’s weird that people are still regurgitating this talking point. Why would Russia end the war now that they’re clearly winning it?

Why should the onus of peace be placed on a country that did nothing to provoke Russia? Ukraine cannot be faulted for defending its borders and refusing to allow a second Crimea.

Ukraine did plenty to provoke Russia with western encouragement, and lots of prominent people in the west have warned that this would lead to a war. Ukraine has been in a civil war since the legitimate government was overthrown in a violent coup back in 2014.

Better yet, I hope there is mass insurrection in the Russian army and they just refuse to engage. But then we’d probably see a lot of people’s family members strangely falling off balconies. Weird how that works.

Far more likely that this will happen in the Ukrainian army that’s now largely composed from people the regime kidnaps off the street and who have no interest in fighting. nytimes.com/…/ukraine-military-recruitment.html

MerrySkeptic ,

Ah yes, there it is again. That old nugget of wisdom. Might makes right. Was that taken from the Bible? Was it Jesus that said, “Blessed are those that take what they can?” I dunno, maybe something was mistranslated in the Russian Orthodox version there.

So which is it? Ukraine provoked Russia or Russia is liberating Nazi led Ukraine? Strange how the rationale keeps shifting.

It’s weird to see someone work so hard to rationalize something that is so clearly morally wrong.

Whatever. It’s clear you’re a Russian shill. Nice try but you aren’t fooling anyone here. You have no moral leg to stand on.

yogthos OP ,
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Ah yes, there it is again. That old nugget of wisdom. Might makes right.

No amount of moralizing is going to change reality. The rest of the world had to deal with might makes right from the west since the end of USSR. Yet, all of a sudden morally bankrupt western public trying to get on a high horse when somebody else does the same thing the west has been doing for many decades. Nobody is impressed by that.

The west is conducting a literal genocide while we speak, yet here you are talking about morals. 🤡

So which is it? Ukraine provoked Russia or Russia is liberating Nazi led Ukraine? Strange how the rationale keeps shifting.

Not sure how these things are mutually exclusive in your mind, but it’s pretty clear that rational thinking isn’t your forte.

Whatever. It’s clear you’re a Russian shill. Nice try but you aren’t fooling anyone here. You have no moral leg to stand on.

That’s right, everyone who disagrees with your is a Russian shill. You are very intelligent.

davel , (edited )
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fernandofig ,
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Ok OP, I’ve been seeing your posts here and they almost always seem to have an anti-west take on things. I try to read news from both sides of the aisle and make my own conclusions, so I’m genuinely curious: why do you think Ukraine should roll over and hand over their lands to Russia, or alternately, why is Russia justified in this war (that apparently they did provoke)?

LarkinDePark ,

Not OP but Ukraine should grant the people they’ve been oppressing their right to self determination. This is not rolling over, it’s stopping their belligerent occupation.

Russia is justified in seeking its security from the provocations of a fascist puppet state dictatorship of the USA, the world greatest mass murdering warmonger, currently engaged in an ongoing genocide elsewhere.

gnutrino ,

Jesus you tankies are delusional

LarkinDePark ,

I think you’ve been subjected to a lot of propaganda mate.

gnutrino ,

Everyone has, it doesn’t mean the other side’s propaganda is right

yogthos OP ,
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Yet, even western media now admits that what has been dismissed as propaganda in the west for the past two years is turning out to be correct. Russian economy is booming, Russian military is growing, and turns out that it’s the west that’s now in economic trouble and unable to keep up with military production. Everyone who said that Russia would win this war is being proven correct now.

LarkinDePark ,

Some things are binary and one is right and the other wrong.

Like whether the invasion of Ukraine was “unprovoked”. Where do you stand?

I kew from the first day when they kept saying the word again and again… “the unprovoked invasion… and it was unprovoked… and this invasion which was completely unprovoked”… Why do they keep saying tha… oh!.

It was such a weird time. Nobody every called it “The unprovoked invasion of Iraq”, nobody every said it before. Then the slightest investigation into it shows it to be the most provoked invasion in modern history. It’s really a basic level people need to get past to try to overcome their indoctrination.

fernandofig ,
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Ukraine should grant the people they’ve been oppressing their right to self determination.

Not sure I understand this. You mean people on Crimea and maybe east Ukraine that would be in majority ethnically Russian, or is it something else? Sorry if it’s daft question, I don’t really know the geopolitics in this region.

yogthos OP ,
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Because it’s obvious to anybody with a functioning brain that Ukraine will lose this war, and the only thing that’s being accomplished in the process is that hundreds of thousands people die, and millions more have their lives ruined. Prolonging the conflict will not change the outcome.

The whole angle to talk about justifying the war is just empty moralizing. The reality of geopolitics is that might makes right. This is what US led “rules based” order has established since the fall of USSR. NATO has invaded and destroyed numerous countries, and they were able to do that because nobody could stand up to them. There were no consequences for any western leaders, and no justifications are necessary. Now Russia is doing the same, the only reason westerners seem to be upset about it is because it’s somebody else doing the same things the west has been doing.

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