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Deckweiss , (edited ) to linux in Dual monitor suspend, one monitor does not turn on when waking up.

One monitor not working after sleep - “insignificant”

Thats the true Linux nerd mentality :D


Jokes aside, can you check for anything gpu or monitor related in journalctl after the wakeup?

jjlinux OP ,
@jjlinux@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ll check all the logs as soon as she stands up from her desk. Thanks so much.

And about the “joke”, not really a joke. Most of us see that as nothing more than a slight bump on the road. But Windows users moving over to the brighter side of computers will see that as an excuse to go back to pain. People are weird.

Godric , to memes in Know the difference.
Grayox OP ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

People are starving every damn day under Capitalism and there is no famine going on. This isn’t the dunk you think it is.

Icalasari ,

No it isn't, but it does highlight the main issue:

Communism would work if it weren't for people trying to co-opt it for power

Fully Automated Luxury Space Communism is the end goal (since, it being automated, means there should effectively be no way to hijack it), but we ain't getting there for a long time. Let's go for socialism first and work from there

pivot_root ,

Communism would work if it weren’t for people trying to co-opt it for power

As long as there exists a way to gain power over others, someone will do it. That’s just the reality of our nature, unfortunately.

Grayox OP ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

No it isnt.

Godric ,

“No, Wrong”

Thank you Donald, very cool!

Grayox OP ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s just human nature unfortunately. We like to help one another and hate to see another human being suffering because we know that could be us. But capitalism has conditioned and limited us out of our human nature to help one another, because either there is no profit in helping the poor or destitute, or we lack the means to help.

TexMexBazooka ,

That’s such a wide eyed idealistic view of the world. Let’s all come together and sing kumbaya.

All people throughout history have always tried to just help each other out, right?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

People are products of the environment. These influence the ideas people have, who then shape their environment which in turn further influences the ideas people have.

Being conditioned by the material conditions of Capitalism is the opposite of Idealism, it’s Materialism.

Grayox OP ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Its a realistic view of humanity, not a realistic view of the world we have allowed the greediest among us to create. You should read The Dawn of Everything A New History of Humanity, it goes extreme in depth to explain just how wrong your nihilistic view in humanity is, cooperation is the norm, what Capitalism has created is the anomaly.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Depends on the dominant Mode of Production, actually. People are shaped by their environment.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

“Nuh-uh!”

elfahor ,

It absolutely is. Coming from an anarchist communist.

ilost7489 ,

This goes into a fight over philosophy of human nature. However, since the days of the Roman republic over 2000 years ago where capitalism wasn’t even a concept, people have used political systems to consolidate and gain power over others. It is undoubtabele that there will be people who try to co-opt the system for their personal gain

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Depends on Mode of Production. Roman society was still a class driven society.

Godric ,

I’ve been to Capitalist countries, I’ve been to Communist countries.

Guess which system has their people immigrating to the other system on rafts with their children, just to try the other system. Guess which system builds walls to keep people IN, guess which system has beggars asking for milk for their children instead of money.

Your comment isn’t the dunk you think it is when it brushes up against the harsh truth that is reality.

Grayox OP ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Bruh I’ve seen families begging for food outside of grocery stores in the United States of America. Now what communist countries had beggers asking for milk?

anon987 , (edited )

China has over 3 million starving homeless people.

havanatimes.org/…/child-beggars-a-growing-problem…Cuba has a huge child starvation problem.

www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-66924300Laos has a huge poverty and homeless problem.

Vietnam has over 23k homeless street children theguardian.com/…/saving-hanoi-street-children-vi…

So to answer your question, every current communist country has a huge poverty and homeless problem.

Grayox OP ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Every source i can find puts homelessness rates in China at max 1,000,000 and all of them say that they live in shelters, not on the streets.

Cuba had been under embargo from the USA since 1962.

Laos has a massive poverty proborm because of debt which is a capitalist construct.

That statistic on Vietnamese homeless Children is 16 years old, and every source ive found states they have been making great strides since then to fight poverty and homelessness.

anon987 ,

Lol, you extreme communists are hilarious.

Grayox OP ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

You Capitalist Apologists are so blind to reality it is pathetic there are 18 capitalist countries with higher homeless populations than China. You literally have to divorce yourself from reality to attack Communism. You might as well be covered in shit, while mocking someone for having toilet paper stuck to their shoe.

endhits ,

Famines happen regardless of political system.

EchoCT ,

Those famines happened every 10 years before communism, they happened ONCE during in each location and not again since.

In the meantime capitalism had that death total due to forced starvation every 7 years on average.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

Socialism is usually built from the remains of a previous brutal regime. Starvation doesn’t end overnight.

This is the case for both Russia and China. After stabilizing they had an unprecedented improvement in nutrition, longevity and such.

The same can’t be said for the vast majority of capitalist states, who still experience starvation despite being perfectly capable of feeding everyone.

Rusty ,

And here’s the list of 3.3 million landlords killed by communism …wikipedia.org/…/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_U…

SouthEndSunset , to memes in Know the difference.

Do the people saying that communism is bad think capitalism is good?

lud ,

No

Gigan ,
@Gigan@lemmy.world avatar

I think capitalism is good, but not perfect. Communism is bad.

SouthEndSunset ,

Why do you think that way?

Gigan ,
@Gigan@lemmy.world avatar

I think human nature is inherently greedy and selfish, and capitalism is best equipped to use this in a way that benefits society. Workers are motivated to work harder and learn new skills to find the most rewarding job they can. Businesses are motivated to create products and run as efficiently as possible. Consumers are motivated to get as much value as the can out of their money. Everyone in the equation is acting selfishly and in their own self-interest (which I believe humans are inclined to do anyway) but when applied on a societal level, everyone benefits. However I will concede that this is a balancing act that requires some level of government regulation to maintain.

On the other hand, I think communism only works when everyone acts altruistically. Which is noble, but unrealistic.

SouthEndSunset ,

Thank you for answering. The problem with capitalism is it’s got out of control.

Gigan , (edited )
@Gigan@lemmy.world avatar

I agree. Businesses and owners have too much influence. I want more unions, trust-busting, and consumer protections. Workers seem to be organizing more at least, which is a good start.

AngryCommieKender , (edited )

Delaware gave corporations the right to vote…

apnews.com/…/local-elections-voting-corporate-ent…

Grayox OP ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Lol, lmao even. Capitalism rewards greed it doesn’t mitigate it. You’ve got it twisted.

Jon_Servo ,

It’s the inability to see the forest for the trees. We were raised in a capitalist economic system, as were all of our past family members. The failings of capitalism appear to be the failings of human nature. In reality, meta analysis of multiple studies on human greed show that people will be inherently more kind to each other than be cruel. Quick search will bring up many articles on these studies. Plus, exchanges in material goods within communities where money hadn’t been invented would show that people didn’t barter, they gave their goods away to their neighbors, and the good deed would be remembered and reciprocated in times of need. You can look up “Gift Economy” in Wikipedia.

Grayox OP ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

I also highly recommend reading or listening to the audiobook for The Dawn of Everything A New History of Humanity by David Graeber and David Wingrow. It is extremely interesting and eye opening.

Taleya ,

Nope.

Human nature is co-operative and altruistic, there’s evidence going back to barely recognisable AS human and it’s literally a key reason why we’re the dominant species.

Capitalism rewarding sociopaths is the outlier

jesterchen ,
@jesterchen@social.tchncs.de avatar

@Taleya Is there any scientific material on this? I've had this discussion again and again with my family, from the far side of ultimately altruistic to vastly egoistic... and if there is (hopefully unbiased) scientific material on this, we might settle this argument.

Taleya ,

off the top of my head there’s the ancient remains found multiple times of disabled and/or badly injured hominids who were treated (signs of healing) and lived long into adulthood despite requiring extensive care from others, the fact an extended childhood in our species means that our young are vulnerable for a far longer period than any other animal (a necessity since you can’t fit a fully formed adult brain through a human pelvis) and require cooperation with others to raise and continue the species, the fact we have developed specialised skillsets (that are shared between us rather than developing and being held isolate and then lost when the person who holds then dies).

When you have a group that works together go up against one that doesn’t, the former comes out on top. When this competition is for resources and survival, it becomes an evolutionary pressure.

If you do a quick googs you should find scores of whitepapers - but the egoistic argument falls flat on its face out of the gate because we have the word ‘sociopath’ and it’s not considered something to emulate. Neither is ‘egotistical’. We’ve literally got coded into our language that isolation, self-absorption and ‘self serving at the cost to others’ are bad concepts. Being a self absorbed shithead is documented as wrong as far back as our tales can possibly go.

jesterchen ,
@jesterchen@social.tchncs.de avatar

@Taleya Will traue this to start the discussion again, maybe thanks. 🙏

Taleya , (edited )

Drop this one on 'em. From a brutal dispassionate logical viewpoint there was no reason to keep this man around and alive

But they did it because they were human.

Edit: and if they argue it’s an outlier, hit them with shanidar1, burial9, the starchild

This article also points out co-operation examples that exist so fundamentally you may not even be aware of them.

jesterchen ,
@jesterchen@social.tchncs.de avatar

@Taleya 🙏

kwedd ,

See “Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution” by Kropotkin

EchoCT ,

Not going to downvote, but I do think you’re lacking quite a bit of insight into the reasons human society exists at all. Cooperation is the reason human society exists at all, so saying we’re inheritly selfish is kinda laughable in that context.

I would encourage you to look up information on dialectical Materialism and the necessity of capitalism as a stage in that dialectical.

Capitalism had a purpose, and it’s past time for us to move on.

Moxvallix ,
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Explain open source, free software, linux community, lemmy / the fediverse, and many many other things not formed around profit, largely maintained by people in their free time motivated by community over profit.

People aren’t inherently greedy. People are born into a system that rewards greed, and punishes altruism. There have been many different societies with many different political and economic systems, and capitalism is a fairly new one all things considered.

Rational self interest is irrational. If only a few can succeed, chances are you fail. If everyone only looks out for themselves, then everyone fails. Humanity’s biggest strength — what set us apart from many other animals — is our ability to work together and look out for each other.

Capitalism doesn’t work, and is destroying the Earth.

Hule ,

You brought up open source and linux, but how many are maintainers vs. freeloaders?

If communism could be upheld by a select few and enjoyed endlessly by everyone… Utopia.

Moxvallix ,
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Freeloaders, like large corporations taking open source and then not giving back, is yet another symptom of a system that rewards extraction and self interest.

FOSS exists despite capitalism. The fact that people are willing to work on something out of their own passion, or sense of community, directly contradicts the fundamental assertion of capitalism.

Humans are not inherently greedy.

GuyFleegman ,

Let’s concede the point: humans are inherently greedy and selfish.

But greed and selfishness are bad, right? We want less greed and selfishness in the world.

Given these two assumptions—humans are greedy, greed is bad—shouldn’t we architect society to explicitly disincentivize greed?

Uair ,
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@GuyFleegman

Fuck that, I do not concede the point. At least, I don't concede that humans are /more/ selfish than we are compassionate. Our emotional wiring evolved for hundred-human tribes that required a lot more empathy and cooperation than competition.

You don't have to go so far as to disincentivize greed. Greed is socially useful in small doses. Adam Smith wasn't a total idiot. Just stop letting the people who shape society make it so only the greedheads survive.

GuyFleegman ,

You’re preaching to the choir. “Concede the point” is a figure of speech which means the speaker is going explore an assumption despite not believing it themselves.

My point is that the whole “capitalism is the best economic system we know about because humans are greedy” argument is sophistry. It doesn’t even make sense in the context of its own flawed premise.

yogthos ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Even if it was true that human nature was inherently greedy and selfish then it would be an argument for creating systems that discourage such behaviors. What you’re arguing is akin to saying that you should encourage a person struggling with alcoholism to drink more.

Radical_EgoCom ,
@Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social avatar

@Gigan @SouthEndSunset
Human nature is not inherently greedy and selfish because human beings possess an inherent capacity for empathy, cooperation, and solidarity, which when nurtured within equitable social structures, can create a collective ethos centered on mutual aid, communal ownership, and the pursuit of the common good, transcending the narrow confines of greed and selfishness perpetuated by systems of exploitation and inequality like capitalism.

fedwards9965 ,
@fedwards9965@mastodon.online avatar

@Gigan @SouthEndSunset

Greed, selfishness and our hyper-individualism is a product of our society, not society as a product of our nature

These sentiments are something encouraged by those in power as it is advantageous for them to have the masses in want

There are underlying instincts for survival and dominance that have manifested today as greed and selfishness, but that is something an equitable society can address given the chance

To suggest otherwise is incredibly degrading humanity

Radical_EgoCom ,
@Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social avatar

@Gigan @SouthEndSunset
There is nothing bad about the collective ownership of the means of production. I can, however, think of many things that are bad about one person owning the entire means production despite not doing any work, which is what exists under capitalism.

MissJinx ,
@MissJinx@lemmy.world avatar

you knoe there isn’t only 2 choices right? Thay can both have good and bad sides. Maybe try some mix of it fisrt

SouthEndSunset ,

Yes. It’s just those are the two mentioned, and I’m slightly communist. So there’s some bias.

EchoCT ,

Dialectical Materialism. Right now, they are. You either work towards communism or capitalism moves towards consolidation of capital. Those are your choices.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Imma be honest chief, pulling out DiaMat with non-Marxists is going to fall on deaf ears. I agree, but something softer might work easier.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Imma be real, chief, I don’t think DiaMat is going to work on Non-marxists, even if I agree.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

also there are more than 1 proposed way to achieve communism, even though i tend to favor socialism.

TokenBoomer ,

We did that already. We could do it again.

umbrella , (edited )
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

thats not a mix though, it was just a bandaid over capitalism, borrowed from socialistic ideas. the capital accumulating class was never extinguished, eventually leading to the same problems today all over again.

hence why we advocate for a systemic change, if you can’t accumulate capital, you can’t buy back the system again like it is rn. this is pretty much the crux of the issue here.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

there’s capitalism and its variants (the current system), and there is anti-capitalism in various flavours. (socdem, ML, anarchism)

you can choose your favorite flavour, but its either moving towards capitalism, or moving away from it.

interdimensionalmeme ,

I would like a third pill.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

its take it or leave it i guess.

interdimensionalmeme ,

At least we’ve still got cyanide pill when red or blue doesn’t cut it.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Feudalism?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Traditionally the “Third Way/Position” is fascism. So, ultimately, kinda, but with race science.

billgamesh ,

fascism isn’t a third way. It’s liberalism in crisis

DragonTypeWyvern ,

I mean, it’s just literally what they call themselves. Sure, they lie or don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about, but that’s kind of their whole deal.

interdimensionalmeme ,

Power dichotomy will always slander any “third option”. They’ll even say something dumb on its face like third way is “x”. There are only two solutions, “with us” or “against us”. Anything outside these choices is literally unthinkable for the power structure. The power structure cannot imagine a future where it does not exist. If you ask the unthinkable alternative, they will default to “oh you must be one of the enemy”. We know that category well. They stand for every thing we don’t stand for.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Describe what you consider the “third way” that isn’t capitalists owning the means of production, workers owning the means, or the state owning the means.

interdimensionalmeme ,

No, I asked for a third pill. I didn’t say “take my third pill”. I also hope we can escape the narrow minded concept of a society centered on the tug of war to “own the means”.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Lol

interdimensionalmeme ,

Ok fine, 4th pill then. The nerve them ! Nazi think they own the idea of rejecting the current order and its ditect opposition.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

fascism is just extreme capitalism

goferking0 ,

Some do

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

As usual the best answer lies somewhere between the two extremes

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

we tried that before though, improving things temporarily, but it will never be permanent until we extinguish the owner class.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

The trick is not falling for the lie that social democracy is meeting socialism in the middle.

Social Democracy is just liberalism with enlightened self interest. Is it better than other capitalists models?

Sure. That doesn’t make it the end goal.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

you put it in better words than i did.

OurToothbrush ,

Yes, we must have a middle ground between having parasites and not having parasites. Thank you enlightened centrist.

Darken ,
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  • SouthEndSunset ,

    Can’t we just nuke people we don’t like….like my neighbour or Elon Musk?

    KindaABigDyl , to linux in I'm back on that other OS for work
    @KindaABigDyl@programming.dev avatar

    I installed Nix on WSL and then used that to get home-manager and thus my zsh and neovim configs working on Windows

    QuazarOmega ,

    I strive for this kind of based level

    Bogasse ,
    @Bogasse@lemmy.ml avatar

    That’s what saved me too but I’m still stuck with unpredictable crashes, 150GB of HDD / 8GB of RAM lost in the void and bullshit ads for copilot in the lock screen …

    nehal3m , to programmer_humor in I'm back on that other OS for work

    Install Terminal and NeoVim or WSL

    narc0tic_bird , to linux in I'm back on that other OS for work

    (neo)vi(m) supports multiple platforms including Windows, so no worries :)

    azimir , to linux in I'm back on that other OS for work

    If I’m stuck on a windows machine, one of the first packages I try to install is git-scm.org’s BASH.

    It’s not actually Linux, but it’s got a command line and enough programs to really help get work done.

    Tenkard ,

    Yes it’s awesome, I use it with Microsoft terminal for tabs + themes, thanks to that I still have to learn how to use powershell

    Cwilliams ,

    There’s even a portable version if you don’t have admin rights on the device

    zkrzsz ,

    WSL for me.

    Tanoh ,

    Why not just go full WSL?

    azimir ,

    I used WSL for a job and it worked fine. It’s kind of a weird VM that doesn’t really integrate with the host OS fully, but it works for many use cases.

    Git BASH has more direct system integration and hardware access than WSL, though it’s been a couple of years since I had to look at WSL at all. Hopefully they’ve improved the integration over time.

    piyuv , to nostupidquestions in I like this text. In which Lemmy community can I best share it ? Thanks.

    When you’re marrying someone you’re usually not like “lets try this and see where it goes” (that’s called dating), you’re more like “till death do us part” so yes, divorce is failure more often than not. Ending a relationship, not so much

    laughingsquirrel ,

    I can understand your perspective, but I want to offer an alternative view, maybe less bound to societal preconceptions. I married my partner for many reasons, financial, wanting to raise a child together, wanting to share my life with them… But staying married for the rest of our lives is a crazy concept for us. The marriage has its purposes, but we both know that life can change and that we could decide that we had a good time, and that now the time has come to move on. A marriage is less romanticised for us, it has practical reasons. I guess being polyamorous helps with defining new relationship ideas on many levels ;)

    FunnyUsername ,
    @FunnyUsername@lemmy.world avatar

    So then why did you get married at all? Fun? Taxes?

    trainden ,

    I married my partner for many reasons, financial, wanting to raise a child together, wanting to share my life with them…

    FunnyUsername ,
    @FunnyUsername@lemmy.world avatar

    None of those reasons require marriage, so it’s not a satisfying reason. I want to know why MARRIAGE, specifically? Just checking it off a bucket list perhaps?

    Wereduck ,

    It seems to me that all of the reasons they provides are all reasons to get married. Especially raising a child, given the privileges that are afforded to married parents in a lot of places (especially in the case of adoption, or IVF using a stranger’s genetic material). Something doesn’t have to require marriage for the benefits of it to outweigh the cons for a specific situation.

    The question seems to me to be kind of confusing. What alternative are you comparing it to? Some sort of local structure like domestic partnership?

    FunnyUsername ,
    @FunnyUsername@lemmy.world avatar

    The post I’m replying to was acting as if they had some new wisdom from being polyamorous and their perspective on marriage. But it sounds like they’re just using it as a business move which is something a lot of non polyamorous people do as well, and nothing new. I wasn’t asking what reasons could possibly exist to get married outside of romance or whatever you’re talking about, I was asking SPECIFICALLY THEM why they bothered, with their “unique” perspective on relationships. But it seems the only actual reason they have is taxes, despite their diatribe.

    Ultragigagigantic ,
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    So your partner is contractually obligated to stay with you of course!

    Bahnd ,

    Taxes alone is a valid reason. So long as there are social, financial and legal benifits to the institution then there is no argument to have. If you feel that love or religion is a requirment that I feel your concept of marraige is outdated.

    FunnyUsername ,
    @FunnyUsername@lemmy.world avatar

    No, you are a misunderstanding me. The post I’m replying to was acting as if they had some new wisdom from being polyamorous and their perspective on marriage. But it sounds like they’re just using it as a business move which is something a lot of non polyamorous people do as well, and nothing new. I wasn’t asking what reasons could possibly exist to get married outside of romance or whatever you’re talking about, I was asking SPECIFICALLY THEM why they bothered. But it seems the only actual reason they have is taxes, despite their diatribe.

    Bahnd ,

    Entirely fair question and thanks for expanding, bit personal for online nobodys like us. Sorry if I came off as accusitory.

    seejur ,

    In a lot of animal species, relationships are lifelong. For most of their history, humans had life long marriages in all corners of the world. Why are you calling it "a crazy concept "?

    perishthethought , to linux in I'm back on that other OS for work

    The reason I have a “ls.bat” batch file on my Windows PC and a “d.sh” script in linux. Both added to my path, of course

    MrPoopyButthole ,
    @MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world avatar

    Powershell has ls and other common linux commands built in, try it.

    PseudoSpock , to linux in I'm back on that other OS for work
    @PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Why do you feel the need to tell us?

    perishthethought ,

    Made me smile. It’s good with me.

    anarchoilluminati ,
    @anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net avatar

    It hurts when I pee.

    mathemachristian ,

    Im eating spaghetti atm

    moog ,

    Hey everyone look at this guy he’s so much better than us wow!

    lemmyreader , to programmer_humor in I'm back on that other OS for work

    😄 No worries. “Help is on its way”. I am sure that Microsoft will release the source code of Vim 0.1 optimized for Windows very soon! /s /j

    IsThisAnAI , to memes in Know the difference.

    Ahhh more propaganda that hand waves away the millions of people also starving away under communism. Of course it’s .Ml

    Grayox OP ,
    @Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

    Bruh i see people starving in the streets of America every damn day.

    AccurstDemon ,
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    pivot_root , (edited )

    Tankies have a lot of confirmation bias. Facts alternate to their beliefs that communism is the be-all, end-all of human suffering don’t go over well with them.

    It might be if it were actually achievable in the way it was envisioned, but ideal communism isn’t the communism we see anywhere in reality.

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    Why do you believe Communism isn’t achievable as envisioned? Is it possible that you don’t actually know what is envisioned in Communism, just a few slogans and buzzwords?

    umbrella , (edited )
    @umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

    Russian and Chinese famines weren’t intentional though. In China, because they were literally coming out from being the hungriest country in the planet, and decided to change too much too fast, you can’t really turn such a huge country around overnight. In Russia because they needed to collectivize really quickly in preparation for WW2, and the landlords at the time decided to literally burn grain and kill cattle instead of handing their big estates. The numbers offered by western authorities on both are greatly exaggerated without adequate proof.

    After the tragic events, both countries saw unprecedented improvements in quality of life, nutrition and life expectancy. These events didn’t really repeat after they stabilized, something that can’t be said of most capitalist countries to this day.

    In capitalism the owner class needs people to be in despair for them to be willing to work such shitty, desperate jobs. Millions of poor and starving people have to exist either in your own country, or elsewhere in a neocolony for one billionaire to be able to steal so much accumulated capital to himself. It’s common to see them taking decisions that help with their accumulation at the expense of everyone else (eg. Oil companies covering up climate change). We are already making more food than we would need to be able to feed everyone fairly, yet capitalist countries don’t.

    Shyfer ,

    You could do that with any country that’s had famines and disasters.

    United States en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl

    Ireland en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)

    India en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

    Son_of_dad ,

    Nobody starves under capitalism /s

    NatakuNox ,
    @NatakuNox@lemmy.world avatar

    There’s never be a full communist or capitalist society. What wears arguing over how far towards either we should go. Also, FYI for those that don’t know The USSR and China are not communist. Both are/were dictatorships that call themselves communist.

    Icalasari ,

    The problem is that you won't ever get a full communist country, at least not for a very, VERY long time, because you always get those few fartweasels who end up hijacking it and turning it into a dictatorship. You need to eliminate that problem first, and with how the world is sliding into fascism, it doesn't look like we're any where near close to solving that dilemma

    EchoCT ,

    Read ‘State and Revolution’ by Lenin. It’s quite short and not that bad a read. Addresses exactly what you are talking about.

    TokenBoomer ,

    I thought I was still on Lemmy.world and was wondering why this thread was going so hard on theory. Carry on.

    TokenBoomer ,

    Upvote for fartweasel.

    Shyfer ,

    Even when they don’t turn it into a dictatorship, they may just turn it back into capitalism, like Russia did. And when that happens, they just sell all the old estates to the highest bidder, making them richer and turning them into oligarchs. And that becomes functionally equivalent to a dictatorship of the bourgeois.

    EchoCT ,

    Look up dialectical Materialism. China is ‘communist’ as they are progressing along the roadmap Dialectical Materialism provides towards achieving communism.

    Shyfer ,

    Are they making actual progress on that path, though? They have tons of billionaires, lots of people go bankrupt there from medical bills or are homeless (unlike some other communist countries). The state owns a lot of businesses, but then so does Norway. All their initiatives seem to be related to hurting gay people or making it harder for kids to play video games. They’ve arrested some rich people and cracked down on some corruption, but that also sounds like it could come from a capitalist country. I can’t really find any sort of long-term plan.

    Anticorp ,

    I thought I blocked this shit hole instance a couple days ago. Apparently it didn’t work. Time to add them again!

    drkt , to programmer_humor in I'm back on that other OS for work
    @drkt@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    my condolences

    N0x0n , to linux in I'm back on that other OS for work

    You should have a talk with your boss about NIST keypair :x

    krash ,

    What’s wrong about it?

    domi , (edited )
    @domi@lemmy.secnd.me avatar

    I’m not OP but NIST is a very shady institution for various reasons:

    Use anything NIST related with care. Use ED25519 or if not available, RSA with large key sizes (4096+).

    projectmoon , to linux in I'm back on that other OS for work

    Cygwin ftw

    chellomere ,

    Word. First thing that gets installed by me on any windows install.

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