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tony , to linux in I'd like to interject for a moment...

Missed opportunity to talk about tar being a tape format that we just happen to use on disks too (so it’s accessed linearly, and in fact if you cat two tar files together they make a valid tar file… or you can create a multi volume tar file that’ll prompt you to change the tape).

makingStuffForFun ,
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

I had no idea. Thank you

bleistift2 , to memes in Legit tho ...

This feels like anti-schooling propaganda by conservatives.

Don’t send your kids to school, they’ll just turn gay. All education they ever need is in the Bible.

The_Eminent_Bon ,

Still got the As tho

lilShalom ,

They want their kids to learn math and english instead of how to give blow jobs from mr garrison.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

I wonder what the political leanings of both the fictional Mr Garrison and his creators are.

IndiBrony ,
@IndiBrony@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/95fba033-3b65-4259-904c-4bf8462fd6f1.png

No idea. It’s impossible to tell who he’s being a parody of here. Can’t put my finger on it at all. 👀

SeeMinusMinus ,
@SeeMinusMinus@lemmy.world avatar

As someone who is home schooled I can tell you that pubic school is one of the best places you can send a kid to if you don’t want them coming out gay. Bullying and constant peer pressure can do a lot to destroy a kids mental health from a young age, destroy there sense of self, and prevent them from ever having a lasting relationship. If you decide to home school a kid beware that they will want nothing to do with you and grow to hate society (more then before). Your kid will start isolating themself from you (even more) and not even see you as human. Lesson is, your kid is fucked no matter what and capitalism is to blame!!! Also don’t make a big deal out of it if they turn out to be gay. They want to live there life without conservatives doing everything they can to take there freedom then hear the conservatives call themselves “defenders of freedom” two seconds later.

clearedtoland , to memes in You're gonna be the one that saves me

You’re gonna be the one that saves me 🎤

darkdemize ,
@darkdemize@sh.itjust.works avatar

🎵 … and after all… 🎵

MidwayTheMagnificent ,

You’re my wonderwaaaaaalllllllllllll….

Designate6361 ,
@Designate6361@lemmy.ml avatar

Today was gonna be the day, but they’ll never throw it back to you!!

Selmafudd , to memes in Already cracked

Oh shit this is good news, I looked at it yesterday and it’s $120 here and instantly thought fuck that I’ll wait until it’s cracked

learningduck ,

What kind of country are you in that a game cost $120!?

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Probably a country where the dollars are worth a different amount.

Mr_Blott ,

Metric dollars Vs imperial

Selmafudd ,

Australia, they love price gouging us here. Just went and checked steam again, the premium version is $170…

learningduck ,

Just curious. It’s it because of tax/vat or just everything being expensive?

rotopenguin ,
@rotopenguin@infosec.pub avatar

There’s a lot that goes into an Australian release. Shipping all those bits to the bottom of the world is outrageously expensive. All of the map geometry has to be altered to be right-side up there. The physics math has to be re-coded to deal with -1g gravity. Somebody has to be paid to go through all of the scripts to replace every instance of “jelly” with “marmite”. Asset loading code has to be changed to compensate for the Coriolis effect.

All of this adds up to expensive Au ports, the new costs often overshadowing the title’s original development costs.

escapesamsara ,

Close, it’s really because you need to flip all those bits upside down so they can be read properly by the computers down there.

learningduck ,

Good one 😂

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

Best comment here by far lmao

Tagger ,

How much is game pass on Australia?

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

This site says $11.95AUD, the equivalent of $7.72USD.

As for the $170 premium version, that’s $170AUD. Australia has 10% GST (VAT) so 170/110*100 = $154.55AUD excluding tax.

$154AUD is $99.64USD.

They aren’t getting gouged, well, at least not worse than US customers.

Tagger ,

thanks

landsharkkidd ,
@landsharkkidd@aussie.zone avatar

Yeah I have Game Pass so I was pretty keen to play the early access but when I found out it was $170, just to play 5 days earlier? No fucking thank you.

I’m spending that money on an SSD because my partner bought the deluxe version and running it on my computer is arse. My computer isn’t even that bad!

dan1101 ,

How much is a decent middle class income in Australia? I’d say it’s about $45,000 per year in the US.

Selmafudd ,

Average is 90k, median salary is 80k

dan1101 ,

So higher relative income in Australia.

How much is 4 liters of milk and 4 liters of petrol in Australia? 4 liters because that about equals a US gallon which is our usual measurement for those things.

In the US right now a gallon of milk is about $2.65 and a gallon of petrol is about $3.80.

Selmafudd ,

I donno about cow milk maybe $5-6 is my guess, petrol is like $7-8

dan1101 ,

So it seems like the scale is just higher in Australia. As of today 1 USD = 1.55 AUD

sweeny ,

The real cost of gas and milk is the environment

solidgrue , to memes in I'd saw off my leg for my grocery store to start carrying something besides shitty IPA's and Budweiser
@solidgrue@lemmy.world avatar

OMG, I’ve quit so many homebrew clubs because of their unnatural fascination with hops, Hops, HOPS!!! Boil 'em, brew on 'em, back 'em in your taps… HOPSSS!!!

If i wanted to feel like I’ve just been smacked in the face with a bag of fresh grass cuttings, I’m sure I could pay a guy.

One fucking guy was making hops extracts to DROPPER into his Hazy New England IPA so there was a fucking green oil slick on top. I quit on the spot, got up and walked out.

Reference brewing in to US is a lost art. Present a Kölsch or a Maibock in spec and they shit on you because its too sweet, but if you just make it an Imperial with more hops…?

Ptui.

blergh ,

DUDE i just LOVE the hustle and bustle of the big city, it’s so DYNAMIC and makes me feel like i’m in one of my favourite TV SHOWS. you should totally come on down to my studio apartment, it’s got EXPOSED RED BRICK walls and everything, we can crack open a nice hoppy ipa or three and get crazy watching some cartoons on adult swim! and dude, dude, DUDE, we have GOTTA go down to the barcade- listen here, right, it’s a BAR where us ADULTS who do ADULTING can go DRINK. BUT!!! it’s also an ARCADE like when we were kids, so we can play awesome VIDEO GAMES, without dumb kids bothering us. speaking of which megan and i have finally decided to tie the knot- literally -we’re both getting snipped tomorrow at the hospital, that way we can save money to spent more on ourselves and our FURBABIES. i’m fuckin JACKED man, i’m gonna SLAM this craft beer and pop open another one!!!

areyouevenreal ,

What the fudge is this comment?

blergh ,

Do you not like the hustle and bustle of the big city? As Donald Trump used to say before they arrested him — Sad.

upandatom ,

Some people can’t take a breath without making it political.

blergh ,

You’re the one making it political I’m just joking around.

Many such cases! Sad.

upandatom ,

Fair enough. Didn’t look at username. Carry on.

systemglitch ,

Okay, I’m going to give you some advise before I block your stupidity.

Look closely at what you said and the comment that replied to you and realize the ignorance of what you said next.

You still have time to gain awareness and not be a dumbass in life.

blergh ,

I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the haters and losers, on this special date, September 11th.”

SwampYankee ,

Urban millennials. It’s barely even ironic, although in my experience the retreat into hedonism and arrested development are coping mechanisms for a world that isn’t even remotely what any of the adults in the 90s promised us it would be. Any outward excitement is simply a mask over a deep ennui.

Also it’s a copypasta.

Dirk , to memes in Touch grass
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

Australia! Could please stop trying to kill people!

slazer2au ,

No. Because that would make us a hot version of Canada.

Chariotwheel ,

I am less scared of Australia evolving to kill people and more of the Australians that survive nature actively trying to kill them.

The Dutch fight the sea, the Australians fight earth itself.

LetterboxPancake ,

The Scots fight other Scots

deegeese , to programmer_humor in Everybody loves 3d programming till they have to sort the world traingles based the MVP matrix.

You can use an O(n) radix sort on the Z-values because IEEE-754 floats share the integer property that leftmost bits always have higher values than rightward ones.

257m OP ,

Thanks man, I’ll look into it when I have the time. This should work on all IEEE compliant systems right?

jarfil ,

Yes, but… “leftmost” in this case means MSB-sidemost, so little-endian systems will start sorting from the MSB only after loading the full value in a register; if you try sorting directly from memory in binary chunks smaller than the float size, first locate where the MSB is stored.

technohacker ,
@technohacker@programming.dev avatar

Oh that just made it click in my head why they would do it as sign, exponent, mantissa and not sign, mantissa, exponent. I mean yes I’ve been taught it’s for sorting purposes, but this really helped it fit better. Thanks!

GlitchSir ,

His do I save a comment?

themusicman ,

Holy shit

Franzia , to lemmyshitpost in Am I actually in charge?

The foreign bacteria in your gut had a much more direct audience with your brain than your cells do. Question is, is it an Embassy? Are they Diplomats? … or are they Oligarchs? >!As long as they call me sugar mommy for giving them sweets!<

emergencyfood ,

To be fair, they outnumber your cells by something like ten to one.

I love democracy.

aseriesoftubes , to programmerhumor in no cap

I have to say, I like the substitution of yeet for return. No cap.

gpw OP ,

All of my returns are going to be yeet from now on

My code reviewers will respond to my commits with on god 🙏

My manager will do girl math to determine my next raise

technohacker ,
@technohacker@programming.dev avatar

Rust has an RFC that wants to consider yeet as a keyword for throwing an exception, I think they’re currently keeping it as a placeholder just in case

vanZuider ,

AFAIK they’re not seriously considering it as a keyword, but they agreed that in all discussion about the semantics of exceptions they will use “yeet” as a placeholder for the keyword, so people will actually discuss the semantics and not whether the keyword is gonna be “raise”, “throw”, “except” or whatever (so-called Bikeshed Effect)

who8mydamnoreos , to memes in lemmy now

We are getting to the point where the memes commenting on the amount of memes are outnumbering the original memes on my feed.

sangriaferret ,

c/lemmycirclejerk

regalia , to memes in Freedom units 💯

Why does the US live rent free in so many European’s heads all the time?

Honytawk ,

Because each time we look for some English content, they use some dumb fantasy metrics based on the size fo the feet of a king for some reason, and we need to look up a converter to change it to a metric used in 195 different countries.

Umbrias ,

It’s really not hard to convert.

Caitlynn ,
@Caitlynn@feddit.de avatar

Then why don’t you Just switch

Umbrias ,

Because it’s a massive waste of money for little to no benefit, and barely actually comes up because unit conversion is trivial and is done constantly regardless of overall unit system.

Armchair unit system fanatics make it out to be such a bigger deal than it is. Whether im working in metric or standard I’m doing several to several dozen dimensional analyses anyway, normally with industry specific units. Which again, exist in both standard and si.

bermuda ,

Money.

stingpie ,

1 yard is about a meter. 3 feet in a yard. Just divide by 3 and that’s good enough for 99% of cases.

lord_ryvan ,

I think you meant Americans can multiply metres by three, instead of 195 countries accommodating to just them

regalia , (edited )

I measure in freedom units brother!

Also how did feet/metric get brought up, that’s not even remotely relevant, tf lol.

CADmonkey ,

If you grow up in the US, you learn both systems and you’re able to convert between them. It’s easy.

2.2 pounds to the kg

1 inch is 25.4 mm

A gallon is 3.8 liters

But it’s fun watching supposedly intelligent people from other countries who reeeeeee when seeing imperial units.

isolatedscotch ,

? i don’t know about you, but multiplying 19" times 25.4 isnt something easy at all to do quickly in your head. Also, not to mention the best example: when i have to convert cm to m I move the comma

when I have to convert from cm to freedom units: -Divide the height in centimeters by 30.48 and write down the whole number as feet

-Multiply the decimal part of the above division by 12

-Round the result of the multiplication to the nearest whole number and write it down as inches

like, really? you have to use two different units added together for one thing? How is that easy?

CADmonkey ,

How is it hard? Aren’t people in the rest of the world much better educated than people in the US?

stalinblows ,

You’d think so until you listen to them talk

sfgifz ,

when i have to convert cm to m I move the comma

I feel the real war we need to fight over is whether the decimal point or the decimal comma is the one true decimal separator.

isolatedscotch ,

Yea confuses me every time

bastion ,

Freedom units… Oh, you mean imperial? As in, Britain? Yeah, we’re just using their old system and haven’t bothered to change unless there’s a practical necessity.

toastal , (edited )

The British still gladly mix both systems inconsistently. They measure themselves in stones & buy cars based on liter per mile fuel efficiency.

Holzkohlen ,

Which is exactly why we had to kick them out of the EU. This is obviously a joke. They went because their politicians are incompetent liars.

shanghaibebop ,

You mean x football fields.

Coincidentally both “football fields” are pretty close in length.

RoquetteQueen ,

I didn’t know Canada and Australia were in Europe

theragu40 ,

They aren’t, which makes this meme even funnier because in my experience Canadians and Aussies are pretty likely to understand both systems and wouldn’t have a problem identifying either.

I’d put money on this having been made by a European.

RoquetteQueen ,

As a Canadian myself, it really depends. Most of us only understand farenheit in certain contexts. Some of us can understand it for weather but I think that’s mostly older generations. I use farenheit for oven and pool temperature only. In every other context, it is meaningless to me.

theragu40 ,

The crossover is so fascinating to me.

Like you just nonchalantly use it for pools and ovens and nothing else. Kind of like we use liters randomly for certain soda bottles and basically nothing else.

RoquetteQueen ,

Oh I know! It’s so weird. Ovens are probably because we get ours from the US, but why we do pool temperature in farenheit is a mystery to me.

theragu40 ,

People are definitely strange creatures lol

zik ,

Australian here. Celsius is all we use here really. I’d have to convert to Celsius to understand Fahrenheit units.

qaz ,

That’s American geography

sentore ,

I love that the meme is about Canada, Australia, and the US(ish), yet it’s the Europeans that get called out by this guy. Who’s living rent free in whose head? ;)

regalia ,

Am I wrong lol

TheFogan ,

I’d assume because the internet is 90% catered to american’s.

onichama , to memes in Remember me comrades!

tankies bad :(

mashbooq ,

They are

WhatAmLemmy ,

Who gives a fuck what tankies think anyway? That’s like caring about what nazi’s think… If they disagree with you, you’re probably doing something right!

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Tankies do generally believe in things like universal healthcare and elimination of homelessness.

Just don’t ask them how some of them were eliminated.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Nah.

Communists are social democrats who just haven’t heard of social democracy.

Tankies are authoritarians who just like to masquerade under a less edgy ideology, communism in this case.

bouh ,

If it’s like in my country, tankie will be used to qualify people just slightly left of hardcore liberalism…

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Sounds based. Which country is it mate?

bouh ,

France. We don’t use the word tankie. But the government is calling the social-democrat parties extreme left (often adding dangerous), and often talk about them like equal or worse than the extreme right racist (bordering fascist) party.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Ah fuck you dude you tricked me into saying fr*nce is based

Graylitic ,

This is incredibly inaccurate, Marx talks at length why Social Democracy isn’t enough and merely supports the status quo, preventing the liberation of the Proletariat.

Communists are typically critical of Nordic Social Democracy as they can only exist due to US Military supremacy as a peacemaker (so they don’t have to have a large military budget), and economic Imperialism via corporations like Nestlé exporting shitty working conditions. Even then, they are still seeing increasing disparity.

I’m not even a tankie, this is just basic Marx.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Uh the nation of Finland with its tiny itsy bitsy army would like to have a word.

Or Sweden, renowned for its centuries old tradition of US-dependency, especially their reliability on air assets to upkeep sovereignty.

Simple as.

irmoz ,

That… proves what they said

SaakoPaahtaa ,

If you have any knowledge at all from the countries in question or the world in general, you would’ve understood the sarcasm. Now you just prove you have no idea what you are talking about.

Finland has a massive army and Sweden is renowned for its air power. These are not secrets, but well-known facts that even slightly educational people know. Unlike you.

irmoz ,

Dude it’s an alliance of western powers. No matter how proud the Nords are of their armies, they are ultimately dependent on the military and financial domination of the US.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Finland has been in an alliance for less than a year. Sweden hasn’t been in an alliance in centuries.

Do people actually talk this enthusiastically on subjects they have no knowledge of? Scary, but explains a lot

irmoz ,

There are more types of alliance than military, dude. Global capitalism be like that.

HikingVet ,

And this thread is talking about military alliances. So stay on topic.

irmoz ,

…is it?

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Damn those must have prevented war in ukraine

irmoz ,

Is there a point being made with this comment?

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Yes. Friendships dont prevent wars. Official alliances do

irmoz ,

Deterrents are not absolute. Also, I don’t know how you’re not aware of this, but it was Ukraine’s announcement they’d be joining NATO that provoked Russia. That doesn’t sound like an alliance preventing war, does it… As I said - deterrents are not absolute. They never are. Police and prison (allegedly) deter crime, for instance.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

it was Ukraine’s announcement they’d be joining NATO that provoked Russia

Boggles me how some people actually think this. Finland’s announcement they’d be joining NATO that provoked Russia into a second war, right? No wait

irmoz ,

Yeah, it’s a stupid fucking reason but it’s the one Putin gave. It was a convenient excuse for his imperialist ambitions.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Eh? What putin says is irrelevant to reality, please stop using him as a source. If you’re about to tell me joining NATO is a reason for wars to break out please make sure it’s real first lmao.

irmoz ,

So you’re gonna tell me it’s about the Nazis in Ukraine and you think he’s just going there to liberate them? Yeah right.

EDIT: FFS you got me distracted again. Just like you wanted, I forgot my initial point was just that deterrents aren’t absolute, and alliances do not necessarily deter war - and this is just one example.

Whether Ukraine joining NATO was the actual reason the war broke out, them planning to join NATO didn’t STOP the war, did it?

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Again with using putin as a source, what’s wrong with you? :D Anyway, there are some geopolitical analysts you could be interested who have way more credible takes on the issue than you, me or honestly putin. Personally I’m an unapologetic Zeihanist but Fukuyama is another author with great analysis on reality.

irmoz ,

using putin as a source

Did you read what I said?? I was discrediting that claim you fucking loon.

Okay, I surrender. You are a great troll. You win. You made me mad.

Fukuyama is another author with great analysis on reality

This has to be a joke. Okay, maybe you do know a couple of things, because you can only have included this because you must know I’m aware of the claim of “The End Of History” and how absolutely ludicruous that is.

If you truly think neoliberal capitalism is how humanity is meant to live, and that we wil never and can never progress beyond it, you are hopelessly naive and sheltered.

But, back to the actual point, before I let you distract me again:

them planning to join NATO didn’t STOP the war, did it?

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Did you read what I said?? I was discrediting that claim you fucking loon.

Why do you feel the need to specifically discredit putins claims? Alright if it was sarcasm but even that aught to make sense mate

The Fukuyama rant

Aight my boy has not yet learned that an author can make great analysis even if you don’t personally agree with the outcome of his analysis. Once you graduate high school you’ll get used to nuances like that in literature.

them planning to join NATO didn’t STOP the war, did it?

No. Because planning to join doesn’t mean they joined already. Had they joined no war would’ve broken out. Simple as. It’s crazy how reality, out of all things, is the one thing you refuse to believe.

irmoz ,

Why do you feel the need to specifically discredit putins claims?

What even is this question?

Aight my boy has not yet learned that an author can make great analysis even if you don’t personally agree with the outcome of his analysis.

I didn’t say anything about his analysis specifically. Just that if “The End Of History” is the kind of stuff you’re interested in, you may be a bit politically naive.

Once you graduate high school you’ll get used to nuances like that in literature.

Puerile.

Had they joined no war would’ve broken out. Simple as.

This is fucking hilarious. They didn’t get the chance to join. Because Putin didn’t want them to. (And also wanted Ukraine but hey ho, an excuse is an excuse)

SaakoPaahtaa ,

What even is this question?

Sorry let me ask that again, why do you feel the need to specifically discredit putins claims?

Just that if “The End Of History” is the kind of stuff you’re interested in, you may be a bit politically naive.

The analysis in it is interesting. I’m personally a socdem (as you prob already know by now) so no I don’t like him because I think he’s right all the time. What a weird way that’d be to read someone’s analysis lmao. I’ve read marx too. And I laugh at Zeihans predictions on europe. But mostly, I laugh at your attempt at convincing me you read literature.

Puerile.

But true. Explained my thought process more above.

They didn’t get the chance to join.

Doesn’t matter to my point tbh. Friendships don’t help deterrence, only official military alliances do. That is my point and nothing else. putin had no choice but to invade before any NATO stuff come alive, but would’ve invaded with or without any plans of joining.

irmoz ,

putin had no choice but to invade

?

SaakoPaahtaa ,

As I suspected I had been conversing with someone who didn’t even have elementary idea of the geopolitical situation and goals of rus*ia. Except for the things putin says about it, apparently. Please educate yourself on the subject I mentioned prior, Zeihan really is a good and easily understandable source on analysis over it if you want to check it out, even if he’s very memeable.

irmoz ,

Russia is not justified in invading Ukraine. I have zero interest in entertaining that notion.

Keep licking boots.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Huh? In the rare case you are not misreading my comments due to being embarrassed, you REALLY need to educate yourself on the subject.

irmoz ,

Russia did not need to invade Ukraine.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Ukraine is existential to rus*ia. The invasion was always going to happen, it was just a matter of when.

You’d know this if you’d knew even a little bit of geopolitics over the region. Like literally the tiniest amount of education would’ve saved you all these messages.

irmoz ,

The invasion was always going to happen

If you agree with Putin, yes.

Hold on - am I talking to Putin right now? Or just his personal aide?

Am I going to read about a Russian (that’s how you spell it, not Rus*ia) social media secretary being disappeared after embarrassing themselves online?

SaakoPaahtaa ,

If you agree with Putin, yes.

Who I agree with is irrelevant to reality. Sadly, he never asked my opinion on the invasion. I’m just stating the facts here, facts about reality which does seem like the sticking point with you.

And I don’t spell rus*ia with a capital r, they don’t deserve it.

irmoz ,

Who I agree with is irrelevant to reality

So, you do agree.

Also, it’s not the capitalisation I’m disputing. And I don’t believe your posturing.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

I don’t agree with him. But I acknowledge the existence of his reasons. Very simple concept.

irmoz ,

You seem to think his reasons are valid. Stop dancing around that. You said he “had no choice but to invade”. That means you think he was justified in invading.

He wasn’t.

I also “acknowledge the existence of his reasons” just the same as I “acknowledge the existence” of the reasons a child steals candy. They wanted it. The reason exists, sure, but it doesn’t make it a good or valid one.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

You seem to think his reasons are valid.

I dont

You said he “had no choice but to invade”.

Yep

That means you think he was justified in invading.

What? :D you literally just quoted me? :D Did I say “I think he had no choice but to invade and I agree with his reasons and the conclusions he came to” or “had no choice but to invade”.

Man, you truly are a tankie. Like a labgrown unfiltered nazi, sorry, tankie.

irmoz ,

You literally said he had no choice but to invade. That is, from you, a statement of believed fact. Why are you trying to backpedal, here? This is what you said. You even agree that I quoted you. How can you say “he had no choice but to invade”, and now imply you never claimed to agree?

If you didn’t agree, you’d have said “Putin claimed he had no choice”. But you didn’t. You said, flat out, he had no choice.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

You literally said he had no choice but to invade.

I still don’t see the problem with the statement. He really didn’t, rus*ian geopolitic doctrine insists on Ukraine being existential for their country, he had no choice but to invade.

He had no choice but to invade.

irmoz ,

Aw, poor little put upon Putin was so blocked in, he really had no choice but to brutally murder thousands of people for conquest. He had a gun against his head, don’t you see!

Wtf is wrong with you? You don’t think he could have just… NOT FUCKING INVADED?

Fucking Nazi.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Not sure if you have challenges in reading or are just pretending to be retarded. Since you are a commie I actually can’t tell if you can’t read or pretend to be retarded for the lulz.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Also bro I’m going to bed now, sleep tight tty tmr <3

HikingVet ,

Really? Starting when?

irmoz ,

Let’s see literally any one of those countries try to go socialist and see how long it takes for the US to invade and coup them.

HikingVet ,

That’s debatable, but you haven’t answered the question.

irmoz ,

Look it’s hard to put a definite date on it, because capitalism didn’t just happen in one day. It happened over centuries. The european alliance had its roots in the colonial rush for the New World, and later Africa. After squabbling over territories, they learned they could make more money by cooperating and exploiting the poor countries together. And it’s been like that ever since about 1900.

Graylitic ,

I never said they had no armies, but they both spend much less than the US does as a percentage of GDP.

Again, you can’t actually refute the points I made. Modern Nordic Social Democracy doesn’t actually solve the issues Communists take with Capitalism, it only makes the downsides slightly more bearable. It still relies on economic Imperialism to export shitty labor conditions to developing countries to poach local resources, and still generally relies on the US spending so much more on their military both percentage wise and in total.

Your point that Communists just haven’t discovered Social Democracy is ludicrous, anyone who has spent 5 minutes reading Marx will know about Social Democracy’s issues systemically. Simply batting for the team with the highest standard of living without giving any critical thought as to why these countries have the highest standard of living is primary education level political and economic thought.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

I think I’m being trolled here but if you actually don’t know about the concepts of finlandization or Sweden’s neutrality I have no clue how you can keep a straight face lying

Graylitic , (edited )

Lying? In what way? Is it a lie to say that the US as a peacemaking, Imperialist force with military supremacy and war deterrent has an impact on what other countries spend on their military?

Is it a lie to say that Finland spends less both in total and as a percentage of GDP on their military than the US does?

Is it a lie to say that Nordic countries have companies like Nestlé where the working conditions and environmental damage done to developing countries are massive, yet workers within said Nordic countries are generally treated well?

Is it a lie to say that Marx specifically mentioned the concepts of Social Democracy as insufficient and therefore Communists aren’t just blind people who haven’t discovered magical Capitalism but the government does some stuff yet none of the issues with Capitalism are actually solved?

All in all, you’re painfully unaware of how economics or politics works.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

You are saying Finland and Sweden had no deterrence during their respective times of neutrality.

And social democracy is when US spends money on military? Yo what?

Graylitic ,

No, I said precisely neither of those.

Finland and Sweden do in fact have militaries. They don’t have to spend nearly as much money on them because the US exists as a global deterrent. If the US was not a global deterrent, then Finland and Sweden would have to spend more money on their militaries.

Social Democracy is not when the US spends money on military. Social Democracy is just Capitalism but the government does some stuff, which solves none of the actual problems of Capitalism.

Social Democracy as found in the Nordic Countries only exists because these countries do not have to spend as much on their militaries, and practice economic Imperialism a la Nestlé where these companies practice brutal Imperialism of developing countries.

This isn’t a difficult concept to understand. Yes, Social Democracies are generally better for their own citizens, but are parasitic in nature.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

I have no idea how you speak to me like thay when you are unaware what neutrality means.

I’m being trolled

Graylitic ,

Yes, Finland and Sweden both spend money and effort as deterrence. Not as much as they would have to if the US didn’t exist.

Is global politics a mutually exclusive game to you? Does “nuance” not exist in your vocabulary?

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Sources: alternative reality that came to me in a dream

Graylitic ,

Which of the following is false?

A. The US spends more money and has a much larger military force than Sweden and Finland

B. US presence in the geopolitical space serves as a deterrent against possible aggression against any countries on good terms with the US

C. If a deterrent like the US did not exist, other countries would have to spend more money to continue protecting themselves effectively

D. Just because Finland and Sweden have militaries and neutrality practices does not mean that the US no longer exists as a global peacemaker against aggression towards countries on friendly terms with it

Please tell me which of these is an alternative reality. I can then educate you on why you’re wrong and we can move on.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

A: rus*ia spends more money on military, thus making Sweden its protectorate. Finland’s welfare is provided by the philippines who also spend more money on defense (probably, idk, you get my point)

B: like the time US deterred winter war that didnt happen

C: false. Countries like Finland and Sweden have always upheld militaries to protect themselves, alone, like we have done. Alone. Without US help despite relations, since neutrality is a thing. Look it up

D: god I wish, that would have meant my grandfather wouldnt have had to evacuate from karelia as a little boy while communists were raining arty on the train he managed to get himself into while his father stayed, fought and died. But actually US spent more money on military so it didnt happen. Actually no wars have been fought in countries allied with the US.

Graylitic ,

So you can’t actually challenge the premise of anything I’ve said, you just say “you’re wrong” then mald.

A. The US is on friendlier terms with Sweden and Finland and serves as a peacemaker. You didn’t challenge this, you added unrelated bullshit.

B. Not an actual challenge, US presence is a dominant force in the world of geopolitics, and denial of that is delusional.

C. No, not false. The fact that Finland and Sweden have militaries doesn’t mean US presence isn’t a deterrent against conflict. You have a child’s understanding of geopolitics and the role of NATO.

D. Again, not what I said, so again, not a challenge.

You’re delusional and have a child’s understanding of geopolitics.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

A: being friendly does not prevent existential wars, please check, uhh, idk, reality?

B: lmao alright, if the voices in your head say so

C: nato actually means not nato. What a take bro

D: Hahaha

Graylitic ,

You do realize that forces in one direction do not entirely prevent actions in the opposite, correct?

irmoz ,

You have no idea what socialism is whatsoever, do you?

SaakoPaahtaa ,

I do. But I find the concept of just “socialism” a bit boring to talk about, due to obvious reasons

irmoz ,

If you think any flavour of socialist “just hasn’t discovered social democracy”, then no, you don’t know what socialism is. Any socialist already knows about it, and probably believed in it once, but moved past it after learning that it’s insufficient.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Uh, I think you dont know what socialism is. Read up on it. This comment tree is not about it anyway so please start another one if you want to discuss socialism. Or at least make sure you

A: let everyone know youre going OT

B: know what you are talking about.

Thank you

irmoz ,

WTF exactly do you think socialism is, if you think it’s off topic?

You mentioned tankies. Tankie is a pejorative for Marxism-Leninism, a form of socialism.

You mentioned communism. Communism is a form of socialism.

You mentioned social democracy - a concept many ignorant people confuse with socialism.

You also intimated that MLs simply “haven’t discovered social democracy” - a statement that can only be said by someone who thinks social democracy is “socialism done right”.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Fascinating how the guys most enthusiastic about communism and socialism have the least clue on what it is. Please, educate yourself, they are quite simple ideas, which is why they are the ideology of the uneducated and violent

irmoz ,

Then explain to me what it is and why it is violent. I wager you can’t.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Reality (its a thing) is a bit of a giveaway

irmoz ,

Reality, huh? So… the world outside. Okay, I’ll go pick up a rock and see if the answer is under there.

C’mon, man. I thought you said it was simple? Should be easy for you to explain :)

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Communism as an ideology is always supported by the uneducated, communism always leads into violence.

Reality is opening your eyes and seeing a creature with hooves that says moo and calling it a cow.

Communism is being delusional with a thin view on morality and ethics and supporting/doing a genocide.

Quite simple.

irmoz ,

No, i asked you to explain what communism is. Not describe how you view it.

What are its axioms, what do its supporters believe? What is its goal, and what methods does it promote to achieve them?

What does it oppose? What are its philosophical bases? What is its praxis? Who are some influential thinkers in the field, and what theories did they add?

Hell, here’s an even easier one: can you even name a single communist philosopher?

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Please it is not my job to educate you. And for these surface level discussions (well, socialism is surface level) you ought to just read the wiki page on it.

Literally take 10 minutes of your day to read it and come back to me after you know what socialism is. Dont even have to apologize me, I’m not like that, I just want to see people get better and flourish.

irmoz ,

I already know what it is. I’m waiting for you to prove you do. I’m not asking for my benefit - I’ve spent years deep in socialist theory already. This is why I’m drilling you. Because you’re just saying vague shit that does not hint at any socialist theory at all - just blind hatred of something you never took time to learn about.

Socialism, at its most basic, is workers seizing the means of production; the proletariat overthrowing the bourgeoisie to resolve the class antagonisms inhetent in the capitalist mode of production.

I didn’t want to have to do this, because now you definitely know what socialism is, since I’ve explained it, and you can just pretend you knew all along.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Thank you for finally reading the wiki entry. Now, as you wrote, we can acknowledge how an ideology and the act of approaching the society described by that ideology are different. Like the difference between nazism (ideology) and holocaust (act of approaching an ideology). One is an abstract idea, the other is an act of reality.

So OT warning or a new comment tree, thank you!

irmoz ,

Thank you for finally reading the wiki entry.

Nice try. Like I already told you, I already know what socialism is. That was from my own understanding. :)

Now, as you wrote, we can acknowledge how an ideology and the act of approaching the society described by that ideology are different. Like the difference between nazism (ideology) and holocaust (act of approaching an ideology). One is an abstract idea, the other is an act of reality.

Okay, so you’re just gonna restate my own points back at me and pretend you furthered the discussion.

So OT warning or a new comment tree, thank you!

I’ve already explained, and your participation has already indicated, that this is not off topic.

So, to sum up, you have:

  • Attempted to insult my intelligence by suggesting I need to do mid conversation googling, after refusing to demonstrate any knowledge on your own part
  • Refused to add anything of worth to the discussion by simply repeating my own points back at me
  • Then attempted to flee the discussion altogether

Give me a single reason to take you, or anything you say on this subject, seriously.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Sorry to have kept you waiting, I have a strict no-phones principle during workouts.

Attempted to insult my intelligence

You have done that yourself by coming in talking about OT

Refused to add anything of worth to the discussion

I’m trying my best to make you understand. I am nothing if not patient.

Then attempted to flee the discussion altogether

Open up another comment tree please, and if I have something to add there I’ll throw in my two cents.

irmoz ,

Okay, you simply can only be trolling.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

If that makes you sleep at night.

Its hard to come to terms with your limits, but I suggest trying your best. You can only get better

irmoz ,

You’re only making me more confident in my assumption.

You have to be aware of the facts here. You have shown absolutely zero knowledge on the subject of socialism. The only times you said anything about any of its theories is when you confirmed what I said, and that was only in implication.

The only point you have been clinging to is that this was “off topic”, when we were clearly talking about socialism from the beginning.

In any case, my point has evidently been proven - you know nothing about socialism and have no business speaking on the subject with such ignorance. Educate yourself before making an ass of yourself online again.

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SaakoPaahtaa ,

Bruh like I said in the beginning, you are OT. You learned along the way what you are talking about, I’ll give you that, but you are still OT. Make another comment tree.

irmoz , (edited )

Explain like I’m five what makes socialism off-topic when the discussion was about socialism. Explain how you can stumble ass-backwards into a conversation about what tankies believe in and not realise we’ll be discussing socialism.

Also, saying I “learned what I was talking about” is just a non sequitur. I was talking about socialism then, and I’m talking about socialism now.

Graylitic ,

That’s a lot of gesturing and exactly 0 explanation, because you’re full of shit and don’t know what you’re talking about.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Nice blogpost mate

irmoz ,

You’re just trolling, aren’t you?

PolandIsAStateOfMind ,
@PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml avatar

You also intimated that MLs simply “haven’t discovered social democracy”

This is especially completely hilarious for anyone actually reading even a wiki page and knowing that the the most historically important M-L party, CPSU, was originally named literally Russian Social Democratic Labour Party and that all marxists called themselves social-democrats for a decades, until the bulk of them betrayed the working class and supported imperialism in WW1.

abraxas ,

Most of the time, tankies tell me that I’m automatically a Liberal (the bad version of the word) if I’m a Social Democrat.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

You know youre doing good when tankies talk shit on you. I was once DM spammed by a bunch of nazis when I talked shit about it. Fun times and makes me stay on the right lane

irmoz ,

Maybe you mistyped, but why on Earth would Nazis defend tankies? The most Nazi deaths in history were caused by the Soviets. Nazis foam at the mouth with rage at the thought of anything to the left of Hitler himself

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Sorry mate, I was unclear. The time of DMs I was referring to was when I was talking shit about nazis specifically, tankies weren’t in the vicinity of the discussion. But yeah the two are mortal enemies despite the awkward similarities between the ideologies.

irmoz ,

No, I think you just make shit up on the fly. You start typing, with no knowledge of where the comment will end up

Y’know, such as weird oddities like this insane statement:

awkward similarities between the ideologies.

Similarities… Between Nazism and ML…

Is this some im14andthisisdeep horseshoe theory bullshit?

SaakoPaahtaa ,

What’s the difference between a concentration camp and a gulag? Horseshoe, apparently.

irmoz ,

Ok, so you actually think horseshoe theory has relevance.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Uh huh. And is there something you’re going to do about the reality of the situation?

irmoz ,

The reality of what situation? Your belief in a theory that has zero relevance to reality?

SaakoPaahtaa ,

The belief that if two ideologies just happen to have the same outcome, it’s really not that different of an ideology, in reality.

irmoz ,

You’re just trying to troll me, and I’m losing interest. Socialism and Nazism do not have the same outcome. You’ve just been eating that neoliberal propaganda.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Alright so there is an inherent difference between uh… genocide and… let’s see, oh, genocide. What a marvelous conclusion. thank you. I will make sure to dismiss reality in favour of what someone said in a book.

irmoz ,

Okay, I’m awaiting your arguments fuelled by the discredited Black Book - the only source that supports the Holodomor conspiracy theory. Ah, the shoe’s on the other book-thumping foot now, right?

SaakoPaahtaa ,

The funny thing is that commies have committed more than one genocide. Genocide is an inherent and unmovable part of communism.

irmoz ,

commies have committed more than one genocide

So you’re not even disputing what I said. Didn’t expect much from you, but this is a new low.

Which part of communist theory calls for, or necessitates, genocide? Where, in between seizing the means of production, and abolishing the state, is there anything about any ethnic cleansing?

SaakoPaahtaa ,

So you’re not even disputing what I said

No I don’t think it’s my job to tell you genocides happen.

Which part of communist theory calls for, or necessitates, genocide?

The authoritarian part of it. You know, the same part that causes genocides with fascism too. Also, as we’ve seen, reality, as in, in reality we see communist regimes committing genocides. I know we’re still working on the “reality” part with you so take your time trying to understand that reality exists.

irmoz ,

No I don’t think it’s my job to tell you genocides happen.

We’re not discussing your job, so don’t try to change the subject to what wretched drudgery you do for a living. None of this is done for employment, so that is an absurd point to make. But you have already taken it upon yourself to try and prove your points to me - but you are failing. Saying that you are not employed to succeed does not fill me with much hope that you are able to succeed at all.

The authoritarian part of it

There is not a single authoritarian part of communism. Finally we get to prove how little you know.

For the first thing, communism is stateless - that is, there is no state apparatus whatsoever. No need for it.

Secondly, communism is classless. There are no elites and peasants, everyone is simply a person and worker - of whichever stripe of work they desire to do that moment.

You know, the same part that causes genocides with fascism too.

Fascism causes genocides because it is an ethno-nationalist ideology, that inherently classes anyone but the chosen group as undesirable and worthy of death. There is nothing even resembling this in communist ideology, even the distaste toward capitalists doesn’t even come close to the pure hatred fascism feels toward anyone not of the right race, sex, or nationality.

I dare you to provide me a single quote from any communist theorist that calls for an extermination of any kind whatsoever.

Also, as we’ve seen, reality, as in, in reality we see communist regimes committing genocides

You have yet to even name one. In fact, you have yet to even name a “communist regime”, as such a thing is an oxymoron. You may find me regimes that call themselves socialist, and these regimes may even be led by a party that calls itself socialist, but you’ll struggle to find anything resembling communism because no country has been allowed to even progress into socialism, let alone progress along socialism toward communism.

I know we’re still working on the “reality” part with you so take your time trying to understand that reality exists.

Dude, this line of argument is so patently fucking bonkers. Let me show you why.


2 + 2 = 4.

Why?

Reality.


Harry Potter’s mother’s name is Lily.

How do you know that? Where is that information?

Reality.


Cows eat grass.

Who told you that?

Reality.


Are you following yet? Reality is the total sum of knowledge. It is the least specific possible way to try to prove a point. It is basically saying “trust me, bro.” You cannot say you are right by just appealing to the vagueness that is “reality”. You have to actually use reason.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

All those words and all I can say is look at how communism works in Reality™ and that’s your post flushing down the drain.

Sometimes I feel bad about commies, so many words, so many books, so little grasp on reality it’s really borderline delusional.

But then I remember that communism breeds genocide and I stop feeling bad.

irmoz ,

look at how communism works in Reality™

Where is it? Is it in the room with us, now? Can you point to it, tell me its name?

What communism?

Can you please, pretty please, actually address even a single thing I just said?

I dare you to provide me a single quote from any communist theorist that calls for an extermination of any kind whatsoever.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Gooood morning!

Where is it?

In history, look it up!

I dare you to provide me a single quote from any communist theorist

I don’t have to, reality does it for me.

irmoz ,

Social democracy is liberal, though

abraxas ,

The political definition of liberal generally involves free enterprise. Social Democrats are generally trying to phase out free enterprise towards higher regulation and public good. Social Democrats seek to move society towards socialism nonviolently. That is not really a “liberal” thing by the version of that term generally used by Marxists.

irmoz ,

Social democracy is not geared towards socialism. It sounds like you’re thinking of democratic socialism.

abraxas ,

While retaining socialism as a long-term goal, social democracy is distinguished from some modern forms of democratic socialism for seeking to humanize capitalism and create the conditions for it to lead to greater democratic, egalitarian, and solidaristic outcomes… It has been described as the most common form of Western or modern socialism,[6] as well as the reformist wing of democratic socialism. ( ref )

Social democracy is, by definition, geared towards socialism while still acting within capitalism to better society by pushing for direct action against inequality. The way a lot of socdems see it, the difference between them and demsocs is that demsocs tend to be neutral (or even negative) on steps that better overall quality-of-life that involve working within the capital system. For example, a socdem would embrace public option, or growing medicare as a good thing in the US because it’s better than what we have. A demsoc **might ** not because it is not actually taking a concrete step towards nationalizing healthcare.

Categorizing is hard because different people think different things of different terms, but it is unfair to categorically call socdems “liberal” in the “free enterprise” sense.

cristo ,

They do believe in elimination of homelessness (through forced labor or murder)

rjs001 ,
@rjs001@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Go back to watching your Fox News

Noughmad ,

Um … Tankies and Nazis often disagree with each other. Are they both doing something right?

irmoz ,

Often is kinda underselling it

FaeDrifter ,

Tankies and Nazis in the US are both vehemently anti-NATO.

Interestingly for the complete opposite reasons. Tankies think NATO makes profit, Nazis think it’s a wasteful expense.

bennieandthez ,
@bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

If tankies consistently disagree with you, you’re most definitely a nazi 🙄

MrMobius , to lemmyshitpost in Chat GPT

I’m French, it’s absolutely true. Some TV presenters now avoid the misunderstanding by pronouncing GPT the English way. The giggles must have become annoying I guess…

chic_luke , to linux in Windows 11 vs Linux supported HW

They have a point. I’m in the market for a new laptop and I have, so far, returned two of them.

First, I tried a Huawei Matebook 16. I was foolish, but I thought it was “easy”. No NVidia, no dGPU at all - just part that looked very standard. It was based on the info I had gathered from a few years of Linux usage: “Basically avoid NVidia and you’re good”. It was anything but. Broken suspend, WiFi was horrible, random deadlocks, extreme slowness at times (as if the RYZEN 7 wasn’t Ryzen 7-ing) to become less smooth than my 5 year old Intel laptop, and broken audio codec (Senary Audio) that didn’t work at all on the live, and worked erratically on the installed system using generic hd-audio drivers.

I had a ~€1500 budget, but I raised it to buy a €1700 ThinkPad P16s AMD. No dGPU to speak of, sold with pre loaded Linux, boasting Canonical and Red Hat hardware certifications.

I had:

  • Broken standby on Linux
  • GPU bugs and screen flickering on Linux
  • Various hangs and crashed
  • Malfunctioning wifi and non working 6e mode. I dug, and apparently the soldered Wi-Fi adapter does not have any kind of Linux support at all, but the kernel uses a quirk to load the firmware of an older Qualcomm card that’s kinda similar on it and get it to work in Wi-Fi 6 compatibility mode.

Boggles my mind that the 2 biggest enterprise Linux vendors took this laptop, ran a “thorough hardware certification process” on it and let it pass. Is this a pass? How long have they tried it? Have they even tried suspending?

Of course, that was a return. But when I think about new laptops and Windows 11, basically anything works. You don’t have to pay attention to anything: suspend will work, WiFi will work, audio and speakers as well, if you need fractional scaling you aren’t in for a world of pain, and if you want an NVidia dGPU, it does work.

Furthermore, the Windows 11 compatible CPU list is completely unofficial arbitrary, since you can still sideload Windows 11 on “unsupported” hardware and it will run with a far higher success rate than Linux on a random laptop you buy in store now. Like, it has been confirmed to run well on ancient Intel CPUs with screens below the minimum resolution. It’s basically a skin over 10 and there are no significant kernel modifications.

To be clear: I don’t like Windows, but I hate this post as a consumer of bleeding edge hardware because it hides the problem under the rug - most new hardware is Windows-centric, and Linux supported options are few and far between. Nowdays not even the manufacturer declaring Linux support is enough. This friend of mine got a Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition, and if he uses ANY ISO except the default Dell-customized Ubuntu 20.04 audio doesn’t work at all! And my other friend with a Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition has various GPU artifacts on the screen on anything except the relative Dell-customized Ubuntu 20.04 image. It’s such a minefield.

I have effectively added €500 to my budget, to now reach an outrageous €2000 for a premium Linux laptop with no significant trade-offs (mostly, I want a good screen and good performance). I am considering taking a shot in the dark and pre ordering the Framework 16, effectively swaying from traditional laptop makers entirely and hoping a fully customized laptop by a company that has been long committed to Linux support will be different.

kyub , (edited )

thorough hardware certification process

Probably marketing speech for “an intern tested it once with the default setup and he reported there were no errors”

Broken standby on Linux

That is sometimes broken because of broken UEFI/ACPI implementations which the Windows drivers were made to respect and work around, but the Linux drivers who are often developed not by the hardware manufacture himself but rather 3rd parties who implement them according to the available docs/specifications, will then result in a semi-broken functionality because implementing something according to the specification doesn’t mean much unfortunately if there are quirks or bugs you have to circumvent as well. This improves over time though with more adoption of Linux. When you compare the hardware support of Linux today vs. 20 years ago, it’s become much, much better already due to more developers and users working on it / reporting issues, and also more and more hardware vendors becoming actually involved in the Linux driver development.

GPU bugs and screen flickering on Linux

Various hangs and crashed

Definitely not normal. But it’s likely that it’s just a small configuration or driver issue. Since you didn’t provide any details, I just leave it as “easy to configure properly”. I get that it would be cooler if it worked OOTB, but sometimes that isn’t the case. It goes both ways, as well. It’s hard to generalize based on few occurrences, but I also had problems long ago with a mainboard with its Realtek audio drivers on Windows which didn’t work. Don’t remember the details because it was long ago but I had to hunt for a very specific driver version from Realtek (wasn’t easy to find), and couldn’t use the one the mainboard vendor provided as the Realtek driver, nor the one provided by Windows by default. Anyway, of course Windows is generally better supported on most notebooks, I won’t deny that, but that’s simply due to market share, not because it’s somehow made better. That’s important to realize. If Linux had 80% market share, it would be the other way round, every manufacturer would absolutely ensure that their driver will work on all their distro targets and all their hardware models. In the Linux world, the drivers are sometimes made by 3rd party developers because otherwise there would be no driver at all, and so it’s better to have a mostly functional driver than none at all. And that’s also just because the vendors CAN ignore Linux based on marketshare. They shouldn’t, but they can, and it makes short-term financial sense to do so, so it happens. Of course, if they market some of their models as explicitly Linux-friendly, they should absolutely ensure that such things will work OOTB. But even if they don’t, it’s usually not hard to make it work.

new laptops and Windows 11, basically anything works

Only because the manufacturer HAS to ensure that it works, while he DOESN’T HAVE to ensure that Linux will play nice with that hardware as well. I recommend using either notebooks from Linux-specific manufacturers (I had good experiences with Tuxedo for example) or you continue to use the “Linux-centric” notebook models from Dell/HP/… and then simply troubleshoot any shortcomings these might have. I don’t know the model but it’s very likely that it’s a simple configuration issue. And I wouldn’t recommend using the manufacturer’s default OS. Especially not with Windows notebooks. Always reinstall a fresh, unmodified OS, and work from there. I’d even assume that if you leave out any vendor-specific software or kernel modules, your problems will probably vanish already.

I have effectively added €500 to my budget

That’s an unfortunate reality also in other areas. Smaller vendors can’t produce in mass quantities, and so they have to sell their stuff for more money, even though it seems counter-intuitive at first. But this is also the case with e.g. the Librem 5 mobile phone which is also very expensive (but a great option if you want a mainline Linux phone) [in this case, it’s very expensive becaue you not only pay for the hardware, but also for the software development time], or well anything which isn’t cheaply produced on a mass scale where you get volume discounts. So in a sense, if you want to change the status quo, you have to pay extra. So yes, buying a brand new Linux notebook isn’t cheap, unless you want to specifically use an older notebook where Linux also happens to run on. But on the other hand, buying a pure Linux notebook also should generally ensure that it will work well. Similar to how when you buy hardware from Apple, they will ensure that OS X runs well on it.

I don’t think that you can generalize anything from your or your friend’s experience, so it seems likely that your friend misconfigured something or installed something the wrong way, leading to such stability problems. General tip: stability issues are almost always driver-related. Same as on Windows. So first try to remove all non-essential drivers (kernel modules on Linux) and see whether that improves stability. And, of course, check the logs. In most cases, they will point out the issue. I’ve also installed Linux on several “Windows-only” (not marketed as Linux compatible) notebooks and it ran just fine without ANY stability or graphics issues. I have a Lenovo ThinkPad for work and it runs Arch Linux, it’s probably more stable than the Win11 it’s supposed to run with. At least among my colleagues who run Win11 on it, I’m the only one who didn’t yet have a driver or update issue within its lifespan. One of those colleagues even had to reinstall Win11 after a borked update. I also use Tuxedo notebooks (Linux-compatible by default) personally and they’re great as well. But of course I never use vendor-supplied software, so I’m not affected if such software behaves badly. I always configure my systems the way I want them, starting from a vanilla base.

Tschuuuls ,

Buy a framework. Only Linux issue is screen tearing on X11 with fractional scaling. Wayland is fine.

areyouevenreal ,

Have you tried updating the kernel? If it’s been rated to work with a certain Linux distribution and it doesn’t work on yours then chances are that the distribution they tested with is using a newer kernel.

That being said new hardware can be quite problematic on Linux. I personally haven’t had issues with Huawei Matebooks provided I installed the newer kernels, but Apple Silicon was a nightmare.

nathris ,

I’ve thrown Linux on every laptop I’ve ever owned, and a couple of family members laptops as well and the past 15 years and haven’t encountered 1/10th of the issues they you have.

Complaining about broken suspend is funny because Microsoft basically killed S3 sleep in favour of the battery sucking S0. If anything it works better in Linux because you won’t open up your laptop to find that Windows Update fucking ran in the background while it was sitting closed in your backpack and rebooted.

I think your issue might be more of an AMD issue. They have a long history of buggy mobile hardware even on Windows.

I mean hell I threw Fedora on to my Intel MacBook Pro and the only real annoyance I had was not being able to reliably disable the SPDIF light in the 3.5mm jack.

I’m currently using the non-linux version of the XPS 13 2-in-1 and my OS experience is actually the opposite of your friends. I can install any Linux ISO without issue, but the standard Win 11 ISO refuses to work because it can’t detect any storage drives.

As far as daily driving Linux on it, the only things that don’t work are the fingerprint reader and webcam. It’s a bit of a piss off given that non-touchscreen version uses similar spec hardware that does support it but it doesn’t really affect daily use.

31337 ,

I’ve never had suspend work correctly on Linux. It’s always been buggy in Windows as well. You can boot from SSDs about just as fast as waking from suspend, so I don’t even try to use it anymore.

utopify_org ,
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Why would you throw away so much money for new and shitty hardware, if Linux runs perfectly on old robust devices, which can be bought for a fraction of what you invested?

ColdWater , to linux in Windows 11 vs Linux supported HW
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Linux does support more CPU architecture (x86 Arm PowerPC RISC) while Windows only support x86 and some Arm CPU so technically Linux support more CPU but Windows does support more GPU and Plug and Play devices (controller, external sound card…)

JackbyDev ,

Windows 11 inherently does not support my CPU because of their fake secure boot requirement. You have to have UEFI.

fox2263 ,

Rufus USB can take care of that for you

JackbyDev ,

I’m too scared to install it just for it to decide to stop working in the future.

fox2263 ,

It just removes the pre check I think. After that you’re good just as normal

sagethesagesage ,

Sure, but if they ever tweak the check the wrong way, you’re right back to hosed

JackbyDev ,

I can’t really imagine them checking once it is installed but who fucking knows lol.

themusicman ,

I would probably rephrase it as “external plug ‘n’ play devices supporting Windows”. You can be fairly certain Microsoft wasn’t the one doing the work.

qjkxbmwvz ,

I’ve had way more plug-and-play success with USB-serial devices under Linux than Windows. Maybe just me though…

Crozekiel ,

I’ve had zero issues with any of my plug and play usb devices. Elgato key light, stream deck, fiio DAC, scarlet solo audio interface, Logitech Webcam, steel series arctis usb headset, etc. All work great without any faffing about.

For stream desk and keylight you aren’t using elgato’s software but there are pretty good open source options I installed from the graphical package manager in my OS. The audio stuff just all worked when plugged in. I’m missing zero functionality from windows and spent a lot less time “setting up” everything compared to windows.

Stoneblackdog ,

Even with x86 only, Linux supports more CPUs. For example, the Ryzen 5 1500x in my old PC isn’t supported by Windows 11.

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