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theodewere , to lemmyshitpost in Before starting your daily practice routine, read and seriously consider the following
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Rid yourself of the following reasons for being a practitioner of COMPUTER: to manipulate

who do i see if i have a problem with some of these

Kamikazimatt ,

Bill Gares, Linus Torvald, or Steve Jobs depending with unclean OS you use.

You can see Terry Davis if you use the one true OS, TempleOS

muhyb , to linux in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?

I wouldn’t call it hate, more like disapprobation with Canonical’s choices. No one have to use Ubuntu, we have tons of distro to choose. If someone wants LTS, you can always go pure Debian way, it’s not hard to install as it’s used to be (for beginners), or there is Linux Mint Debian Edition. You can easily use flatpaks with these and keep your software up-to-date.

Hexarei ,
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disapprobation

TIL a new word. Thanks, stranger! 🙂

taanegl , to linux in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?

Snaps are centralised packaging, a’la Apple App Store or Google Play. Now if someone forked snapd, added third party repo and made It so you could select which repo is the main one, that’d be a start.

But as long as Canonical commits to a centralised form of distribution with no third party support I’m going to advise desktop users to stay away from Ubuntu.

TheFriendlyArtificer ,

It’s more than just centralized control.

They have the ability to arbitrarily push out Snap updates.

That’s right! Your production server is getting patched without your knowledge or consent. Thankfully they magnanimously decided to let admins delay it by a few weeks.

Linux is about control. I decide what my machine does. When it updates. What it updates. The feedback from Canonical regarding Snaps was so tone dead and condescending it made Steve Balmer look sane. It boiled down to, don’t worry your pretty little head off. We know what’s best.

Shareni ,

They have the ability to arbitrarily push out Snap updates.

That’s right! Your production server is getting patched without your knowledge or consent.

What deranged donkey is using snaps for infra?

rwhitisissle ,

If you run Ubuntu on a production server, you better having snapd disabled.

The_Zen_Cow_Says_Mu , to linux in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?

I gave up on Ubuntu before the snaps became a thing. Here’s what I hated :

  • ugly purple and orange theme
  • Upgrades between lts never worked right for me: 14->16 fail and broke, 16->18 lots of problems, 18->20 still not great.
furycd001 ,
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Upgrading between Ubuntu lts releases never fully worked for me either. Something always broke or went wrong…

AnUnusualRelic ,
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I also used it and dropped it years ago because it tended to break a lot in updates.

That, their poor kde support, their constant reinventing the wheel (poorly) drove me away.

Now I run opensuse as a rolling distro that’s always up to date and just never breaks even when there are 6000 packages to update. It’s boring and safe.

xyguy ,

I also have had trouble during upgrades in the past.

I’ll have to disagree about the purple and orange theme though. I’m personally a big fan.

skullgiver , to linux in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?
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You don’t have to use Snap (except for LXC, I think?). It’s not enabled by default, but you can enable Flatpak and everything will work fine. Flatpak has Firefox and Chrome and all the other applications thst Canonical foolishly moved from their apt repos to their Snap repos.

There are some frustrating things about Snaps (loading all of them at boot time rather than at runtime, for quicker app start but slower boot, for example, and that stupid snap folder that can’t be moved) but honestly I don’t really see what the fuss is about as an end user. Nobody sets up a purely Snap based system anyway.

The problem with Snap is an ideological one. If you don’t care who runs your software store and if you don’t care about having the ability to add more software stores then the default, you’ll be fine with Snap. If you’re ideologically driven towards Linux, you’ll probably dislike the way Snap is set up.

Like it or not, Ubuntu is still one of the best supported distros out there. If you want drivers from any manufacturer, you get to pick between drivers tested for Ubuntu or Fedora. Every other distro repackages those drivers using their own scripts and compatibility layers because nobody over at Intel is going to spend company time specifically getting Garuda to work when its customers don’t sell hardware with it preinstalled.

Software like Discord and VS Code having the “.deb, maybe .rpm, or you figure it out yourself” approach of official distribution is pretty standard, I’d say, for better or for worse. It also helps that a lot of entry level Linux questions and answers online are about Ubuntu. Askubuntu may not be as vast and up to date as the Arch wiki, but at least the askubuntu people aren’t going to tell you off for not knowing advanced Linux stuff.

There are upsides and downsides to any Linux distro. You’re not “supposed” to think anything, try it out, keep an open mind, and pick what works for you.

Loucypher OP ,

Thank you for the through answer, really put things in perspective

brax , to linux in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?

I don’t mind it, but I don’t really use it for any of its features. I use i3 over Unity, I think Snaps (and flatpaks, appimages, etc) are dumb as shit.l, and don’t even get me started on how garbage Nautilus is - drives me nuts trying to type a filename in to jump to it only to have Nautilus run a search instead… No idea who thought that was a good idea, but they need to fix that crap already.

I’d probably get by just fine with a full Debian setup tbh.

Facebones , to memes in IDF be like

"That’s exactly what Hamas would say!"

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iraq_lobster ,

💯 👌

yogthos , to memes in IDF be like
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bartolomeo ,
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Is that Netanyahu, King of Queens?

hperrin , to lemmyshitpost in Before starting your daily practice routine, read and seriously consider the following

I created an email service with computer, so it must be beautiful, right? I think it is.

I can’t lie though, part of why I created an email service was to be “hip”.

chemicalwonka , to linux in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?
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    Boy do I have news for you

    java , to linux in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?

    Use whatever you want, why do you care about what feelings other people have towards Ubuntu?

    VoidHeathen ,

    Validation

    LoveSausage , (edited ) to linux in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?

    Long time since I used Ubuntu, remember updates breaking network twice… Peppermint OS, Debian(and devuan if you don’t like systemd) based. all the important bits (not arch level) but nothing more. Rolling, Runs on 1 GB ram. Haven’t distro hopped anymore since I found it.

    Stable base , extra on top

    “Everything you need and nothing you don’t."

    logir ,

    Is it based on debian unstable or testing?

    LoveSausage ,

    Bookworm stable. peppermintos.com/about/

    Kushia , to linux in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?
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    Ubuntu attacted a lot of control freaks because Shuttleworth was originally splashing some money when it started and a bunch of nerds saw dollar signs. As a result they have a culture of “not invented here” syndrome where someone just has to reinvent the wheel in only the way they see it and they don’t work well with others or accept their input because they want all the credit.

    Personally, I got sick of it having been pretty involved early on in the project. It’s easier and saner to just use a distro based on what everyone else is doing.

    TCB13 , to linux in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?
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    Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?

    Yes.

    Debian version is the only one that seems reliable enough but, again, it is Debian, the packages are “old”.

    Install Debian, then install all the software you might need using Flatpak. There you go, solid and stable OS with the latest of with little to no effort. Bonus extra security.

    superbirra ,

    or, you know, use testing or sid. Or just stop lamenting for old packages and just enjoy stability while making something productive :)

    TCB13 ,
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    Or just stop lamenting for old packages and just enjoy stability while making something productive

    I’m not the one lamenting old packages, I run on stable perfectly happy. No issues there.

    detectivemittens , to worldnews in The U.N. says 90% of Gazan's are Displaced and 60% of Infrastructure Damaged/Destroyed
    ripcord ,
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    I'll take your word for it

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