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JoeKrogan , (edited ) to linux in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?
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I used to use Ubuntu before unity and switched to Debian 👑 in 2012. I still have to use Ubuntu for work and I just get on with it. It could be worse… I could have to use windows.

Anyway my main gripes with Ubuntu are snaps and how they keep swapping packages in apt to be installed as snaps .

I dont hate it, its a tool and in most cases I can use it and there is no problem if not there are other options.

flambonkscious , to worldnews in The U.N. says 90% of Gazan's are Displaced and 60% of Infrastructure Damaged/Destroyed

Only 60% of the infrastructure? The pic looks a lot higher., but I guess thats just the foreground…

Mac , to worldnews in The U.N. says 90% of Gazan's are Displaced and 60% of Infrastructure Damaged/Destroyed

And nearly the entire world is allowing it to happen.

nephs , to linux in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?

Is Ubuntu trying embrace, extend, exterminate?

I just realised snaps kind of look like “extend”, after a long period of “embrace”.

Did anyone write about it, yet? Am I overthinking it?

Shareni ,

Why do you think Ubuntu is the favourite distro at Microsoft? They’ve tried extinguishing Linux through suse, but are now back on the old EEE plan with canonical helping them.

danielfgom , to linux in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?
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If it works for you then use it, however if you want the latest packages you’ll have to NOT use the LTS releases in which case be prepared to do a FULL REINSTALL every time a new version comes out.

Or use the LTS but use Snaps for those applications that you want to have the latest versions of. Snaps are getting better and I think eventually you won’t notice the difference between them and native apps, except for the space they just up. But that goes for Flatpak too.

Personally I use Linux Mint Debian Edition because I’m not happy with the way Canonical is going. In most cases the “old” apps are fine for me, but if I felt need the newest version I’ll use a Flatpak.

Another rolling option is OpenSuse Tumbleweed however, being a Mac which uses proprietary WiFi drivers, your WiFi will break with kernel updates, which can be irritating, unless you have ethernet.

_edge ,

If it works for you then use it, however if you want the latest packages you’ll have to NOT use the LTS releases in which case be prepared to do a FULL REINSTALL every time a new version comes out.

This is just wrong. You can update the LTS release to the next non-LTS release. You only have to unchecked “LTS only”. You can also wait for the next LTS release.

You never need a full install. I haven’t done such a thing for a decade.

danielfgom ,
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Really? I wasn’t aware, or I’d forgotten. Can you go from non lts to lts in the same way?

_edge ,

Well, from non-LTS, you can always go to +1, the next release. If this happens to be an LTS, sure, you will automatically be on LTS. (Then you can change your settings to say on LTS or keep tracking non-LTS release).

akrot , to linux in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?

Dietpie is a lightweight debian not ubuntu. And debian is still one of the top choices (if not the) for servers.

Ubuntu is just debian with extra bad decisions.

ryannathans , to memes in Defediverse

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neonred , to linux in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?

Or just use Debian sid, which effectively is Debian in a rolling variant. 🚀

kennismigrant , to memes in Oh, you are here, too?

Meanwhile Telegram is one of the most effective and bullshit-free social networks, way more popular among certain audiences than Meta, X, and other garbage.

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  • kennismigrant ,

    Oh, I should’ve mentioned the location. I’m not talking about the US.

    It is widely used by tech people and people from Eastern Europe and Middle East. Effectively everyone I know from Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, Latvia, Turkey and India use it.

    Samsy OP ,

    Effective? Yes. Bullshit-free? Hell, noo.

    boredtortoise , to memes in Oh, you are here, too?

    It’s good for instant messaging

    NENathaniel , to memes in Oh, you are here, too?
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    I use it for y’know, messaging

    Samsy OP ,

    Remember, it’s a cloud messenger, not a secure messenger. It’s cool to have all chats on every device, but by default, they are unencrypted. I message there, too, but only nonsense.

    NENathaniel ,
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    It’s fast, supports sending large uncompressed files, has fun stickers and great UI

    It’s a great messenger really, just not E2E encrypted. I’d happily use Signal too but most people don’t care about the E2E encryption advantage and prefer Tele

    TedZanzibar ,

    I’m not saying Telegram is perfect by a long shot, and they’ve made some questionable decisions around crypto and paid-for services, but it grinds my gears when people suggest that it’s “unencrypted”.

    E2E encryption means that yours and the other person’s device are the only ones that have the keys for decryption and are typically the only places where chats are stored.* The conversation is secured end-to-end.

    Telegram has the master copies of your chats on their servers to enable certain extra functionality that you can’t get with E2E messengers, but it does not mean that the data is stored or transmitted unencrypted. The data at rest is encrypted and it’s encrypted when it travels to and from your device.

    Sure, there’s the argument that governments could compel Telegram to hand over the keys to your chats, but considering that the platform is outright banned in more than one country with questionable regimes, it’s reasonable to conclude that they don’t give in to such demands. Honestly, if your government wanted copies of your chats so badly it’d be far easier for them to go through you and your device directly, and then no amount of E2E encryption is going to help you.

    All that said, Telegram does actually have E2E encryption in the form of Secret Chats which, while having no method of backup, allows you to have two very different conversations with the same person and provides a level of plausible deniability that E2E only platforms cannot.

    *Until you or the other party chooses to export a plain-text backup and store it on Google Drive where it’s far easier for governments to subpoena. I’m looking at you, WhatsApp.

    randomTingler , to memes in Oh, you are here, too?

    I started using it for the Android development community. Then for messaging.

    Now only for bots 😔

    Neato , to memes in Oh, you are here, too?
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    How do you use it for bots?

    Samsy OP ,

    Search for botfather.

    It creates an API token and in combination with my own telegramID I get notifications from services like uptime-kuma or watchtower.

    SeabassDan ,

    I’m ignorant to all of this, what’s the purpose of bots? How are they used?

    bruhduh ,
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    Relay notifications or/and messages, and other useful functions, like automated control of your home server and other electronics like vacuum robot and such from places with bad connection, also automated fetch of information you need, like timesheet or news you follow or state of your home and this is just fraction of use cases the only limiter is your imagination

    SeabassDan ,

    And this is best done through telegram?

    Samsy OP ,

    It’s very effective for sysadmins if you want to get real time notifications about server stats. The possibility are endless because you could push everything with curl from commandline or cron. For example why not get informations about SSH login attempts or CPU usage or unattended upgrade logs?

    beanson , to linux in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?

    I use Ubuntu for work and have no issues with it to be honest. I install everything via apt, I think a few things are via snap but nothing that I’ve installed directly. It’s stable and I can get on with stuff. I definitely am not a fan of the move towards snap and the app store: if I was to choose I’d go vanilla Debian.

    lefaucet ,

    I’m daily driving Ubuntu and my experience aligns with this.

    My only gripe is snaps can break copy/paste and prevent me from saving files where I want. This might make Ubuntu unusable for people using Linux for the first time and makes no sense if you dont understand how snaps are sandboxed and how permissions work. The solution is install with apt.

    The installer, system configuration programs and UI experience is really good. I argue it is a much superior experience to Windows and arguably better than OS/X. A lot less garbage being shoved down customers throats.

    hydroel ,

    The solution is install with apt.

    I checked on my machine, and out of all the packages I had on snap, only Inkscape, VLC and Slack were also available on apt. Spotify, Whatsdesk (a WhatsApp client) and Signal were among the most commonly used missing.

    lefaucet ,

    Oh word! I forgot about Signal. I use the snap for that. It works well. I think copy/paste works with it.

    I used apt for Firefox, Krita, ffmpeg, Blender and Ksnips

    I think the big commercial programs I use were installed with vendor scripts

    banneryear1868 , to linux in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?

    Ubuntu is fine it’s just a more bloated Debian geared towards being as user friendly as possible. Nothing wrong with that.

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