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moonsnotreal , to linux in SystemD
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I don’t personally like SystemD, but Devuan sucks. They advertise “init freedom”, but in reality all of the scripts by default are just sysV init scripts that runit and openrc can’t control.

hactar42 , to memes in It' fine guys

My wife has been dealing with a lot of sleep paralysis lately. The other night she just told her sleep paralysis demon, “I’m too damn tired to deal with you right now.” And just went back to sleep.

RemembertheApollo , (edited ) to technology in I asked leonardo.ai to generate an image of itself. This is what it gave me.

I asked Midjourney to draw itself. Somewhat similar of a look, though Midjourney seems to think itself a bit godlike. Edit: difficulty uploading from mobile. https://imgur.com/gallery/TETnZqg

ipacialsection , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old
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Well, Linux is 32 years old; GNU goes back to 1984, and Unix all the way back to 1970! The history of this OS is much older than Linus Torvalds’s involvement; he “only” created and maintains the most popular kernel.

But yes, happy birthday to Linux. Many thousands have contributed to making this operating system what it is today and they all have my utmost thanks for it.

lars ,

It is a happy coincidence that the evening before the 1970s began, at 4pm Pacific, they decided to invent UNIX.

lord_ryvan ,

How so?

floofloof ,

I think it’s a joke about how UNIX timestamps work. They count milliseconds from January 1st 1970, 00:00:00 UTC, which is 4pm the day before in PST. So the happy coincidence is that they invented UNIX at the very millisecond when its clock starts.

There, ruined the joke.

lord_ryvan ,

Oh right, the UNIX epoch actually starts when UNIX was invented

Somehow, I didn’t expect that…

TrustingZebra ,

The world didn’t exist before 1970.

polskilumalo ,
@polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml avatar
JokeDeity ,

My brain gets numb when I start thinking about all the branches that have come from Unix… and the branches from those branches and so on.

RandomVideos ,

Are you sure unix will be created in the year 3.843063914 E+5636(1970!)

How would anything even survive 3.843063914 E+5636 years after the end of the universe to make unix

Deebster ,
@Deebster@lemmy.ml avatar

They misspoke: Hurd will be usable in year 1970!

MrGerrit , (edited ) to gaming in Pure Evil

Franticly pushing buttons to speed through the dialog. Even then it’s 3 minutes long.

"Did you get all that or shall I repeat it?

->Yes No

“Okay, let me start over again then”

Argh!

youtu.be/UcLNEU2l0mY?si=0PtoXAcA3QHGZFmO

prd , to memes in It' fine guys

“And I find it kind of funny I find it kind of sad The dreams in which I’m dying Are the best I’ve ever had”

CoolSouthpaw , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old

Ah yes, the guy they named Linus Tech Tips after. 😇

/s

lightnsfw , to memes in It' fine guys

Me literally fighting for my life in my dreams and somehow still being less stressed out than when I wake up and have to go to work.

original_ish_name , (edited ) to memes in Kids can be so crüêl

In Iceland I think there’s a law against giving your child an embarrasing name. It’s one law that I understand

dudewitbow ,

a completely understandable law to prevent mental stress/depression down the line.

zackleys ,

We actually have a committe called "Mannanafnanefnd" which rougly translates to "Human name committee"and if you want to use a non-typical name for your child you have to apply for permission from them.

Captain_Jimmy_T_Kirk OP ,
@Captain_Jimmy_T_Kirk@lemmy.ml avatar

“Mannanafnanefnd”

Who watches the watchers?

eggymachus ,

Presumably the Nefnanafnanefnd

IndiBrony ,
@IndiBrony@lemmy.world avatar

Who keeps falling asleep on the keyboard for these naming conventions?

madcaesar ,

But who will watch the Nefnanafnanefnd?

Omgarm ,

I heard that names have to be -son or -dottir able. Is that still true?

bstix ,

What kind of name isn’t?

Viking_Hippie ,

Dottiedottir is just silly and so is Seanson

MonkderZweite ,

Mannanafnanefnd

Cthulhu approved.

BastingChemina ,

In France it’s the person who record the name that can report it if it seems inappropriate.

Then there is a procedure to decide if the name can stay at it is or if it needs to be changed

moist_brouhaha , to mildlyinfuriating in Instagram doesn't let me remove like

I think you can only remove 100 likes per day

t0m5k1 , to linux in SystemD
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If you’re a new user you’d be better off moving on from here and not paying much attention. It’s a hot topic full of opinions that everyone will want to force on you.

If you really want to swap out the init system there are some things you need to know.

First, do you need a desktop environment(DE)/window manager(WM)? If so you’ll need to find a DE/WM that is not going to demand you use the mainstream init choice which currently is SystemD. If you want to use Gnome from your chosen distro repo’s then chances are it will pull SystemD with it.

If you want Gnome but not SystemD you’re gonna be building that beast from source every update and for the most part you’ll need to go direct to Gnome for any issue/bug you fall over and this too will be painful.

Simpler WMs will be more forgiving and will only rely on either xorg or wayland and will happily run on any init.

There will be other packages out there that also demand you use SystemD, so you’ll have to find them and decide if you need them or if there are alternatives that don’t have a hard dependency on SystemD.

All the current usable inits are written in C or C+ (except for GNU Shepherd, this is written in guile).

The benefit of swapping out the init system is mainly down to choice, necessity but again this all boils down to what the installation is for and what will it be doing.

For a good run down of the features of the init systems refer to these 2 urls: wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Comparison_of_init_systemswiki.archlinux.org/title/Init

All of the init’s (except for epoch) provide parallel service startup so if boot time is a focus test each to find the fastest for your platform, Not all of them provide per-service config.

For example one can cobble together: minirc, busybox, syslogng, crond, iptables, lighttpd.

And the end result would be a relatively secure webserver with a small footprint, you could further extend this with nginx to sit in front of lighttpd to provide waf and cache features.

The biggest bug bear with SystemD is that it writes to binary log files and even though it can be configured to generate plain text, if it falls over in a bad way you will still only get a binary log file and if you’re in a situation where your only access is say busybox for emergencies. In this instance your only option is to boot from another systemd distro and mount the broken install and run:

$ journalctl --file /var/log/journal/system.journal

Other than that many take issue with SystemD trying replace parts of the system that many say don’t really need replacing like sudo, fstab, resolv.conf, etc but again these statements get full of opinion and don’t help us truly way up the differences and some of the SystemD alternatives misbehave or become hard dependencies other projects which makes it harder to disable parts and swap out to your chosen package.

I’ve tried to be more objective with this response and keep as much of my personal opinion out of this, But here is mine:

I don’t really like it but to make it easier to get support for my OS I put up with it, I daily drive arch and so must accept it. I could rip it out or run artix, I’ve gone down this path and got fed up with jumping hurdles to get what I wanted so went back to Arch and now I disable parts of it I don’t need/want, have it generate text log files, use openresolv and other choices.

10_0 , to gaming in Pure Evil

Old people when I ride the bus

1984 , to linux in SystemD
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

You should embrace systemd. It’s actually good. Replaces all startup scripts, logs to a common log, even has scheduled systemd jobs just like cron but better, since they can have proper dependencies. Want to run something right after network stack is up and working? Easy with systemd, more difficult with cron and more hacky.

abhibeckert , (edited ) to technology in I just wanted to take a minute to appreciate interchangable batteries

Those batteries in your photo are NiMH batteries… which discharge on their own at a fairly rapid rate even if you’re not using them at all. They’re also pretty big and heavy for the amount of power they provide (which, due to the self-discharge issue, is effectively a lot lower than the official number on the battery).

I strongly recommend investing in devices that use 18650 batteries. They’re about the same size/weight as a AA, and they last much longer (both in terms of from full to flat and also the number of years (decades?) of use you’ll get from the battery.

A lot of “proprietary” batteries are in fact a bunch of 18650 cells wired together.

It’s worth investing in good ones - the quality varies significantly from brand to the next. With a good 18650 cell, you won’t be replacing it when the battery expires, you’ll be transferring it to a new gadget when the gadget is broken or so old that you decided to buy a new/better model.

SubArcticTundra OP ,
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

Oh I see, I’ll look into them. Yeah these are at least 10yrs old so I wouldn’t be surprised if the technology was quite bad for today’s standards

SubArcticTundra OP ,
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

Oh I see, I’ll look into them. Yeah these are at least 10yrs old so I wouldn’t be surprised if the technology was quite bad for today’s standards

Nawor3565 ,

While all this is true, unfortunately not many devices support swappable 18650s, either they have swappable AA/AAA or have built-in 18650s that would require disassembly to replace. However, if you CAN find a device with swappable 18650s (the only ones I’ve found so far are flashlights) they’re absolutely great!

SubArcticTundra OP ,
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

Wait, do they not make AA-sized 18650 batteries?

sparky1337 ,

18650 isn’t a specific type of battery, but a size. 18mm diameter, 65mm length, and 0 typically represents it being cylindrical in shape. 18+65+0

Heres a quick read

anlumo ,

Besides being the wrong size by definition, AA batteries are expected to have 0.8V to 1.5V, while Lithium Ion cells (such as 18650) have a voltage range of 2V to 4.2V. That’s completely incompatible, you couldn’t even replace two AA batteries with a single Li-Ion cell.

SubArcticTundra OP ,
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

Couldn’t it theoretically be fixed with a voltage regulator?

CmdrShepard ,

Yes.

The other problem with lithium batteries like 18650s is that they need to be handled with care so manufacturers don’t want users swapping them in and out like AA/AAA. This is why they build them into devices and have you charge them through a regulated port.

lloram239 ,

Also there are numerous different versions and sizes of 18650, some come with protection circuit, some don’t, some have flat top, some have button top, and whatever type you end up with might or might not fit your device. Makes the whole situation quite confusing for the average user.

Revan343 ,

Well there aren’t really different sizes of 18650s, if you chance the size it’s no longer an 18650.

The flat vs button top issue can be annoying though

lloram239 ,

18650 with protection circuit are around 69mm in length instead of 65mm.

Vex_Detrause ,

Don’t they need a circuit protection to not over-discharge lithium batteries? Most AA devices would suck all the juice from the battery until it stops working.

anlumo ,

The problem with those is that the device loses the ability to sense the charge status of the battery, since the voltage remains the same until it’s empty.

abhibeckert ,

NiMH AA’s have the same problem.

lloram239 , (edited )

you couldn’t even replace two AA batteries with a single Li-Ion cell.

That can actually work. A single 14500 Li-Ion along with a dummy battery can work in many devices, as they have regulators for the voltage in the device (it might blow up other devices and won’t give any energy advantages). That said, there is very rarely any use for this these days, as you can buy 1.5V AA Li-Ion batteries with the voltage regulator build in, that will work in all devices. More expensive than NiMH however, so only really good when the device absolutely needs the 1.5V and isn’t happy with the 1.2V of NiMH.

abhibeckert ,

Most 18650’s don’t go down to 2 volts. They should be considered “flat” at 3.4 volts - going any lower risks damaging the battery (unless you know what chemistry it uses, some can go lower safely).

Allowing a rechargeable AA to get down to 0.8V is also risky, if you go much lower than that you will damage the battery.

An 18650 is essentially the same voltage as three AA’s. And the amount of charge level they store is closer to five or six. The size and weight, on the other hand, is a bit more than one AA.

But the biggest advantage, by far, is a lot of devices can be powered by a single 18650 but would require multiple AA’s to have acceptable battery life (or a high enough voltage). As soon as you have multiple batteries thing start to get really complex. Your batteries will never be at exactly the same charge state and that can potentially damage the battery and the device.

lloram239 ,

They do, they are called “14500” (the name is the dimensions of the battery). Though it is important to remember that, despite looking exactly the same as a regular AA, they are 3.7V, so they’ll kill your regular 1.5V electronics if you put them in there. Not sure what they are actually used in, flashlights I assume, but they seem quite rare overall.

Only place I have seen them commonly used is solar powered garden lights, though in that case they are LiFePO4 3.2V, not Li-Ion 3.7V.

abhibeckert ,

But 18650 size is manufactured at much higher scales than other sizes, and therefore it’s the cheapest, and therefore it continues to dominate.

Bobbinapples ,

I am not aware of many devices that use swappable 18650's either. Off the top of my head the only ones i'm aware of are vape devices.

B0rax ,

There are also flashlights with 18650s. There are some powerbanks with exchangeable 18650s as well.

But that’s all I know of.

sparkl_motion ,

I have a set of lasers powered by them as well. Love that it makes the whole thing a bit larger and durable.

ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

These powerbanks can set your house on fire if the chip shorts out: the wire gets very hot and melts through the plastic like this: Odysee/YT/Piped. I recommend installing a 2A (for 1A powerbanks) or 5A (for 2.1A powerbanks) automobile fuse in series with the cells or each cell individually.

Damage ,

My OWON portable oscilloscope does. The only device I know of.

abhibeckert ,

The main barrier is when you need multiple batteries.

If you install a dozen 18650’s in a device (or thousands in a car), they will work great as long as they’re all at the same charge level and can maintain the same voltage throughout the discharge cycle. If they can’t do that, then the battery could catch fire. Yikes. So any device with multiple 18650 cells will hard wire them together so the user is forced to use and charge and discard the entire set of cells as a single battery.

AA/AAA NiMH batteries won’t catch fire if they’re uneven, but being uneven will damage the batteries. You don’t need to keep them together to be safe, but you do need to keep them together if you want the batteries to last longer than six months. Keeping them together can be a logistical nightmare and it’s the main reason I’ve stopped using them… it’s just too much work to keep all the batteries together (especially if the device is shared in a household or workplace). If you get it wrong, then they don’t last much longer than disposables.

Disposable batteries have the same issue - but since they’re disposable you’re probably pulling four brand new batteries from a packet.

An 19650 cell holds about the same amount of energy as five AA batteries. So there are a lot of devices that can run well off a single battery, and those tend to be the ones that are user replaceable.

Powderhorn ,
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I had some Molicel (I want to say, P26s) 18650s in regular rotation that lasted only three years. I went through Mooch’s battery reviews ahead of selecting them, purchsed them at Liionwholesale, and they started heating up in my Nitecore one by one after maybe 1,200 full discharge (e-cig) cycles. Meanwhile, I have vape-shop NCRs from 2016 still humming along (though rarely used).

At this point, I’m not really sure what to make of battery reviews. And the economics work fine for three years of consistent use. I just wish that was how they were sold, not like some absurd number you’ll never hit.

GoldenSpamfish ,
@GoldenSpamfish@lemmy.zip avatar

They make USB rechargeable lithium ion batteries in every common form factor. I use lithium rechargeable AAA batteries in my mouse and they work great. You don’t even need a charger, they are USB-C. Highly recommend.

lloram239 , (edited )

They can be very useful for the devices that want the full 1.5V, as they can provide that 1.5V across their whole charge cycle, unlike NiMH and Alkalines that drop down the voltage. They are also lighter than NiMH. However they are also more expensive and for most devices NiMH will work just as well, while costing less.

Another thing worth mentioning, NiMH show charge in mAh on the package, Li-Ion very often give it at mWh, which makes the Li-Ion look 20% bigger than they are.

admiralteal ,

It infuriates me that we use Wh/Ah instead of Joules for this.

It's like measuring distances with time -- "NYC is 3.4 highway hours from DC" -- except doing it in a world where no one has any idea what speed people drive on the highway.

GoldenSpamfish ,
@GoldenSpamfish@lemmy.zip avatar

I mean I can’t really blame them for being smaller, the USB port is a lot of value added but is also pretty huge.

Stopkilling0 ,
@Stopkilling0@kbin.social avatar

An 18650 is way bigger than a AA

Rai ,

But got damn does it ever put out some insane light! My flashlights turn night into day.

thingsiplay ,
@thingsiplay@kbin.social avatar

@abhibeckert I have those from Eneloop. They do not discharge that fast as the old generation of rechargeable batteries. Yes they do, but the rate is quiet slow.

I_Miss_Daniel ,
@I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social avatar

I second that. Have been migrating devices over to eneloop batteries successfully. (other NiMH batteries go flat after a month even if not used.)

Burp ,
@Burp@kbin.social avatar

Same. People used low quality Ni-Mh batteries and got what they paid for. Eneloops have worked great for me. Believe it or not, Duracell has been great too. It’s the energizers that have all been awful for me.

admiralteal ,

For example, basically all power tool batteries.

If they advertise ~12V, it usually means it is 3 'cells' of 18650s in series. Crack open the case on such a tool battery and you'll find just that -- 3 18650 batteries for a little one. A high capacity battery might instead of 6, with 3 pairs of 2 parallel batteries, doubling the capacity. And nothing but weight and size stops them from just making them ever-larger.

18-20v tools are 6 cells (18v is the nominal voltage, 20v is the 'max' voltage at full charge). For higher cap, add more batteries in parallel in each series cell.

It is RARE to be able to service these unless you have some specialized skills. Typically, they are spot welded together, which can be dangerous to attempt to DIY. That said, often when a battery 'fails', it's actually just one 18650 that has failed and taken the others down with it.

These days you do see other sizes. 21700s or even pouch batteries are starting to be more common when tools need more stored joules per unit volume.

GreatAlbatross ,
@GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk avatar

There are some clever innovations from some tool manufacturers too.
DeWalt has launched batteries that work with both 18v and 54v systems, by having different pins on the output wired to different points in the battery chain.

(3 sets of 3 in series for 18v, or 9 in parallel for 54v, I’m assuming)

Voyajer ,
@Voyajer@kbin.social avatar

20V tools are 5S rather than 6S

abhibeckert ,

18-20v tools are 6 cells

That’s not my experience - my preferred brand* offers 18V batteries at 3Ah, 6Ah and 9Ah. They also have higher end tools that take 56V batteries - either 4Ah or 8Ah.

I haven’t opened them up to check, but surely the higher capacity batteries have more cells.

(* preferred brand because it’s the one I already have a bunch of batteries for… I actually regret choosing that brand)

That said, often when a battery ‘fails’, it’s actually just one 18650 that has failed and taken the others down with it.

Sure… but if you replace that one “bad” cell before it takes down the others, the battery might spontaneously combust and burn down your house while you’re (hopefully?) not home. 18650’s in series have to be the same voltage throughout the charge cycle.

admiralteal ,

The charger for the tool batteries has to have circuits to get all individual cells to the same voltage. They are not simply charging them all at once in series. More complex than that, but there is a second circuit for an alternate config that the charger can make use of to charge.

If one cell is dying/dead, it stops the whole battery from working. Replacing that individual cell would allow the others that are still performing nominally to continue to do so. If it were practical to change one cell. Which it really isn't. But old tool batteries can be a good place to cannibalize 18650s from if you need them for other uses because a "dead" battery likely still has at least some OK 18650s in it.

The 56-60V tools just has triples of all the batteries with an additional circuit path to let them either function in the 18V 5s or 56v 15s configuration, depending on what it is plugged into. Similar story with the brands advertising 40V tools. There's a reason they're all staying on multiples of the 18-20V base.

I literally said there can be more 18650s for each series cell. The "not your experience" you referenced is... exactly the same thing I said. Though it is actually 5 18650s for a base battery, not 6, I misremembered that. 3.7V x 5 cells = 18.5V (which some brands advertise as a max 20V to make the number bigger while others just call it 18V). Each cell is 2.4 Ah, which gets you the base battery capacity. The even-smaller cells are either using pouch batteries or something else that isn't an 18650.

cmnybo ,

Low self discharge NiMH batteries have been available for a long time now. They hold a charge for several years.

Voyajer ,
@Voyajer@kbin.social avatar

18650s are in no way close to the same size as AA batteries. Your other points ring true and I generally agree with them though.

Drito , (edited ) to linux in SystemD

For a desktop user I don’t see any significant benefits to replace systemd. But also no-systemd distros works fine. I was impressed during my try on Alpine Linux, that uses openrc instead. The text printing during OS startup is so short that the terminal didn’t scroll. The bluetooth worked flawlessly. But it is a small community distro, and Alpine is limited by other things than the init system. The init system is a problem for people that have to deal with services.

On political aspects, IMO FOSS works easier with small and focused components that can survive with spare time developers. I can’t make critisicms on technical aspect, I’m not a good programmer, I just notice systemd seems to works fine. Red hat has man-power and capable of large contributions to Linux distros so they leads the innovations. All big distros switched to systemd, now its hard to avoid.

I would like to support smaller FOSS-friendly systems but I use Arch because I need recent versions and the anti-systemd arch-forks are harder to use. I’m a weak guy.

In short, as an user you should be fine by keeping normal Debian. If for political reasons you want a no systemd distro, the easiest is to use MX Linux with the default init.

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