WoW itself runs fine on Linux. Don’t expect any difference here.
That said, it used to be insane button bloat for everyone. Very complex rotations. Around Legion they started reworking it. Now most specs are reduced to rotations being 3-5 buttons. Work in the occasional cool down or defensive and things just fall over. This works out very well for the casual player. Controller support was added a few expansions ago. With the most recent expansion it’s reached good refinement. Some class/spec combos are easier than others.
An addon called Console Port makes it so easy to play with a controller. For leveling or daily quests, it’s perfectly acceptable. I’ve tried it and find it quite enjoyable. I particularly like it on my demon hunter. Though don’t expect to jump into competitive content. You need access to way more than a controller can provide. It slows you down.
Reading all the comments defending a $70 game with zero day DLC is just bewildering. I mean, HOW MUCH of a fucking cuck do you have to be to not only accept it, but to DEFEND it? You people deserve all the shit you get for being peasants. The rest of us sail the high seas, YARR!
How much of a toddler do you have to be to not understand that video games were 50-60 dollar for decades? Also, can you give a single example of something that costs $70 but can entertain you for 500 hours? I don’t believe that’s a thing outside a good video game.
This whole “dollar per hour” crap is just another simp tactic that nobody is buying anymore. But hey, if you wanna talk costs, how about the fact that we’ve been paying $60 for games for around two decades now despite the fact that physical distribution and media creation isn’t a thing anymore? Or how about the fact that for most games, we’re renting them since they’re locked by invasive DRM? How about DLCs being a standard now and games being obviously incomplete? GAAS? Shouldn’t that be cheaper since it’s basically gone the next day?
If you want variation towards more expensive, why aren’t you considering all the factors that make shit cheaper? The answer? Because you’re simping hard like some 13 year old console fanboy. The only reason the megacorps that make AAA games need that much money is because they’ve fallen into the classic trap of having too much upkeep and flab.
Indies have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that you can make awesome games with much smaller budgets.
Ooof, I hit a nerve there didn’t I? It’s OK though, I’m just some rando on the internet, no need to get worked up about it. Go talk to some friends, touch grass, you’ll be fine kid.
In my lifetime rent has quadrupled, video games have gone up 40% (only very recently). Yeah you’re right that the likely $10 max of distribution costs going away definitely ought to have made games $5 brand new despite inflation making every thing else insanely way more expensive.
Only a fucking baby could mistake being completely rational for being a sImP. Fuck every single corporation. They’re all scum. Fuck irrational idiots harder though.
I haven’t spent over $60 on a game maybe ever so try not to base your entire lifestyle on buying the world’s most expensive videogames as soon as they will take your money, then complain about it because mommy is no longer paying and you have to work for money or whatever
And totally yeah let’s just ignore how easy it is to find images of NES games going for $90 in 1987 and that then dev teams were 1-7 people while now that number might be hundreds of people.
The fact that you’re this mad and this unreasonable tells me you’re unhinged for some other reasons as well and you probably need a lot of therapy. Either that or go back to reddit where interactions like this are considered normal.
Man, your simping and long diatribes are really amusing as hell. Me mad? No, not really. I actually enjoy calling out simps like you and watching them trip over themselves trying to white knight hard for corpos who don’t give a shit about you as customers. Please, do write more, I’m sure someone will make this into a great copypasta someday.
True I guess. I guess I should have added the caveat “takes large teams of people years to design and build”. Given that most sports equipment has changed slowly enough it doesn’t take 500 people 5 years to make, it’s not quite comparable. Another creative work would be, such as movies, which easily are far far more expensive for the number of hours of enjoyment experienced
You clearly don’t understand development if you are so worked up over day one DLC.
Development has always worked in stages.
Imaging being so tilted over a small DLC meanwhile games like BG3 get “released” after 4 years of development which the largest team seen on any one game and it was still basically unfinished mess.
I understand greed perfectly well. I mean, you could write a comedy sketch about it at this point. “No Sir, we absolutely did not create these absolutely fabulous pieces of gear during the development of the game. Nope, not even a pixel! And this gun? This terrific looking and powerful gun that makes all the guns in the game seem meek? Totally something our gun designer thought of when he was taking a piss the SECOND after we stopped development. And this quest line that perfectly fits together with most of the game and completely changes the introduction of our sequel? Well…that’s just us being VERY good writers and not at all greedy bastards who cut off important bits of the story so we can nickle and dime you for it!”
Then you would have someone coming in and smack them around with a trout, because reasons.
Oh and in case you think I’m hyperboling, the examples in the sketch are all taken from actual bullshit that’s happened already.
I said commienazi, hexbear falls under the commie part. You’re just too annoying. You don’t have an off switch, you declared yourself the Lemmy speech police. You’re the loser nerd hall monitor type. You’re also fragile and can’t bear any disagreement. It’s like, a person disagrees on a leftist issue like do non binary genders exist (a matter of sociological theory) and should underaged people be given puberty blockers (a matter so controversial some countries are reviewing the practice) you’ll swoop in and declare them Nazis who need to die immediately.
This is why there are many who think your entire instance is an elaborate troll run from some bizarre Discord server, you all fit the annoying blue-haired leftist stereotype too exactly.
It’s like, a person disagrees on a leftist issue like do non binary genders exist (a matter of sociological theory)
Go ahead and tell all the non binary people that they actually don’t exist, it’s just all sociological. Is this the new “it’s all in your head” stuff they used to tell gay kids back in the day?
Not even going to get started on the transphobia in your comment, trans kids shouldn’t get the medical treatment now because some countries are banning it. Great logic, it’s not like countries have ever prescribed incorrect medical treatment to LGBT people before. Alan Turing? Who’s that again?
What the hell is wrong with artificial hair colours? I’d never dye my hair an unnatural colour myself, but it’s a cool look on some people. What is the “blue haired leftist stereotype?” Is it some right wing American meme?
Of course it’s all sociopsychological. It’s an identity. Like nationality and ethnicity it’s a matter of social practice, not biology or genetics. As such it’s very much in the realm of things which are debatable. Are are you claiming otherwise?
It’s real insofar as there are people who subscribe to the idea and practice it. In the same way that Christianity or Wicca are real. The debate isn’t about this.
But because it is real in this way, it’s also real that there are people who don’t believe than one can be non-binary. There is more than one schema for gender currently in Western society, and these schemas are in competition for instance the traditional binary vs various different non-binary conceptions vs so-called “truscum” vs xenogender…
We know that gender itself as a matter of social practice (the work of second-wave feminists proves this definitively) so therefore all gender schemas are subject to social debate.
Expect, and this is where the crux is, that some (but not all) trans and non-binary activists are now claiming that gender identity is innate (while gender remains a social construct) and that in fact it is sex which is arbitrary and that in fact it takes a whole team of medical personnel to ascertain sex (the so-called “assigned at birth” model).
The broader point I am making is that because current Western gender schemas are in such flux, you can’t simply say that someone is Nazi just because they subscribe to a different schema than you do.
In the same way that Christianity or Wicca are real
it’s also real that there are people who don’t believe than one can be non-binary
So if someone holds the view that they don’t believe it’s possible for a person to be a Christian even though there’s millions of people that call themselves Christian do you think that means the question of whether or not there are people that are Christian is up for debate? That’s insane.
Never said that non binary people are mentally ill. But this kind of uncharitable reading is common with your hexbear assholes and reason enough for the rest of Lemmy to defederate from you.
Also, oh no – I’m a “lib.” So I’m the same thing that 99.99999999% of Western people are. How horrible, how damning, however shall I live with myself now that some shut-in 22-year-old called me a lib. Get a grip.
Yeah, they really showed that we will call someone a Nazi after they come out of the gate equating us to Nazis and then start saying transphobic shit and going off about blue-haired SJWs, we’re so owned by this, somehow.
From zero to transphobia in two posts! This looks like a new world record from @frosch! The crowd is going wild. Of course, they did get some heat into their bigotry tyres during their warmup lap where they aced the Holocaust trivilization coner, which put them on a perfect line to hug the apex of transphobe’s chicaine and finished with the classic blue haired leftist move.
Holy fuck, it seems like there are only 2 extreme opposite sides and both are full of shit, clowns and morons. Why can’t we just have some middle ground?
Why are people this days totally incapable of understanding what moderation means?
There’s some truth to this “mind Virus” idea.
Moderation doesn’t mean “I would only like half the holocaust” - it means understanding that not every single thing everyone who claims to align with your politics does is “good”, and that people who have an different suggestion for how to solve a problem aren’t “evil”.
Politics has gotten crazy and comments like yours really don’t help
I know right? It’s like, I don’t think nonwhites are inferior, but I also don’t think free markets are a viable means to solve the social evils of bigotry, war, and environmental devastation. If only there was a political camp for me!
I’m not surprised. I haven’t seen vids or played Starfield, but just judging by how Fallout 4 and Skyrim play, I was gonna expect the game to get old and boring really quick between the bland gameplay and milquetoast writing of those two games.
Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Morrowind were probably their last good games, with Morrowind being Bethesda at their absolute best imo.
I can get the sentiment about the combat being uninspired and a bit bland, and things being formulaic but… There is still something that draws me in. I really have no words for what it is, but somehow these games suck me in despite their problems and “boring” mechanics.
Probably. I haven’t played any of the DLCs, but I just can’t get into Skyrim nowadays because I get quickly bored of it all. The only time I managed to complete all of the quests and the main quest was back at release, but now whenever I play it feels like a slog to go through a painfully bland world and setting. I usually give up after a few hours of playtime, and now I just haven’t played in years.
Meanwhile, I was around 30-40 hours into my latest Morrowind playthrough before BG3 dropped, and was putting a fair whack of time into Battlespire, so maybe I’m finally becoming old lol.
I mean I’m gonna have to agree with the guy though. Skyrim was all but earth shattering… In 2011. Have you tried playing it recently? It feels old and repetitive. There is obviously still some fun to be had and some memorable bits but on the whole it’s just outdated plain and simple.
I think the vast majority of enjoyment people derive from it is nostalgia driven which I can totally respect, but that only lasts for like 4-5 hours once a year tops. I feel like a new player who never touched it in the golden years would likely get bored fast
No, I haven't played it recently. I also don't play Pacman anymore but it still is one of the cornerstones of computer games and a great game. Yes, Skyrim may be bland compared to modern RPGs but so are the others @Poggervania listed.
You say that, but you also have younger people who play Bethesda’s older games like Morrowind and Daggerfall to this day and are able to enjoy them in their own right.
It’s hard to put into words because another poster was right - there’s still some sort of draw to not just Skyrim, but their games in general. It might be nostalgia, it might be the atmosphere, no idea - but when you play the games, it’s just so… blah. Like it’s so close to being good, but they just miss the mark in some capacity.
Using Morrowind as an example because of how much I like the game, the environment, the atmosphere, and the writing are really well done - but god fucking dammit, I have to game the system in order to maximize my attributes on level up so I don’t die to RNGesus. As a mage, I don’t want to level up Long Blade or Heavy Armor - but I kind of have to because I need more carry weight from Strength and the HP gain from Endurance is not retroactive, so I have to get that to 100 as soon as I can so I don’t die to a sneeze. In Skyrim, they made leaps and bounds in the general combat - which is great, but holy fuck who gives a shit about the world when it effectively goes on pause for you and everybody is as wooden as the trees surrounding them? Fallout 4 is actually a really good gameplay loop and settlements are fun, but I’m not even playing a character - I can say “yes” in three different ways or “not right now” to pretty much every dialogue option and quest, and everybody is “quirky” in the way the cast of The Office is “quirky” it feels like. The writing really misses the mark 90% of the time.
I think it’s that, at least for me personally, is what makes them boring but still have that draw.
I’m not denying it’s impact on modern gaming, I’m just saying it’s old. Like it certainly deserves a spot in the gaming hall of fame but it doesn’t really stack up against more modern RPGs. Technology is moving forward and so should games, yet Bethesda is so stuck on Skyrim they have refused to innovate for a comically long time
It depends, I think as unmoded would many say it is boring. The whole game is kinda of a meme even tho it wasn’t supposed to be. like killing a chicken and hell breaks loose, and how sweet rolls are an addiction to all the guards, how they keep saying the same thing and seem to live the same life. All of them could just have been one person (or two because there are female guards too). Some npcs are a bit interesting the first few times but it gets old quick.
I have played skyrim a lot but it is heavily moded. Every new playthrough do I throw in new quests and places, try a different mix of combat mods and Ai mods to make my enemies actually enemies and not just obstacles, everything to make it less monotone. I tried to play it again last month but my motivation just fell and I never felt like playing again.
I’d say Starfield is in a lot of ways a return to form. So far, none of the actual quests I got from NPCs were as simple as “Go there and kill bandits”, like the majority of quests in Fallout 4. Those proc-gen quests have been relegated to Mission Boards for various factions (and there’s also more variety of them. Beyond killing, you have smuggling missions, cargo transport, passenger transport, surveying and some other stuff). Most of the quests I’ve done so far have also been very interesting, I’ve talked my way out of multiple confrontations/bossfight and I’ve robbed a valuable trophy and bank credentials from a luxury cruise ship with not a single shot fired, just using my cunning, persuasion and a little bit of blackmail and bribery. I keep thinking that I am going to get those “please kill those raiders” quests, like when I got a distress call from somebody having trouble with spacers (this games version of generic raiders or bandits), but instead I had to repair communication satellites and negotiate a mutual defense pact with the settlers of that system. Like, I’m 50+ hours in (yes, genuinely) and the game keeps surprising me with new and interesting content. I feel like I’ve barely scratched the surface of the content available.
Sure, you can’t completely fuck everything up and go murder everyone in the game like in BG3 or FNV or something, but it is actually a really solid RPG. The writing isn’t as deep, philosophical and politically charged as New Vegas, but it’s good. Way better than Fallout 4s main story (and better than Fallout 3s main story, which secretly sucks.) I actually had some interesting conversations in the game and chuckled quite a few times at some of the responses I could choose. My background and traits actually do come up in conversation, even had one of my traits help me win a persuasion minigame (which is actually quite interesting in this as well). Skills like Persuasion, Intimidation and Bribery actually matter and allow you to finish quests in different ways. I get a little bit angry everytime somebody calls it Fallout 4 in space, because unlike Fallout 4 Starfield is actually a roleplaying game, even if it doesn’t live up to the heights of Baldurs Gate 3. If you’re gonna call it anything in space, Oblivion would probably be the most apt comparison.
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