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PotatoesFall , to memes in The essence of liberalism

lol. do you have this without the text?

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

I usually rely on TinEye to for that: tineye.com/…/3ae58e30783903f716bfe5708e6c0ff6442b…

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar
PotatoesFall ,

sick, thanks

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

This woulda been way funnier if you’d Photoshopped out the text in the windows too.

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

missed my chance to be an evil genie 🤣

sbv ,
bjoern_tantau , to memes in some people on this platform
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Something tells me Karl Marx wouldn’t like these things either.

imnotfromkaliningrad OP ,
@imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml avatar

vaushites pulling shit out of their ass instance 9001

desentizised , to selfhosted in Move UnRaid from metal to Proxmox

It’s understandable that you want to take your virtualization-capabilities to the next level but I also don’t see the appeal of containerizing unraid like many others here. I started using unraid last autumn and to me it really is about being able to mix drive sizes. It’s a backup to my main server’s ZFS pool so (fingers crossed) I don’t even really worry about drive failures on unraid. (I have double parity on ZFS and single parity on unraid.)

Anyways my point is I started out with 8 SATA slots plus an old USB-based enclosure with i set to JBOD mode and that was a pretty stupid idea. unraid couldn’t read SMART data from those USB drives. Every once in a while one of the drives would suddenly show up as having an unsupported partition layout. Couple weeks ago all 5 drives in the enclosure started showing up as unusable. So as you can imagine I dropped that enclosure and now am working solely off the 8 internal slots. I’d imagine that virtualizing unraid’s disk access might potentially yield similar issues. At least the comments of people here remind me of my own janky setup.

jjlinux OP ,
@jjlinux@lemmy.ml avatar

You do make a great point. I really am feeling more inclined to spinning up a new rig for ProxMox, and leave my UnRaid to do what it’s good at in it’s bare metal state as it is today.

This self hosting rabbit hole runs scarily deep.

desentizised ,

Once you face the (seemingly) inevitable necessity of further hardware purchases it does become sort of tedious I must say. I used to treat my raid parity as a “backup” for way longer than I’d like to admit because I didn’t want my costs to double. With unraid I at least don’t have the same management workload that I have on my main box where I have a rolling release Arch with manually installed ZFS where the build always has to line up with the kernel version and all that jazz. Unraid is my deploy and forget box. Rsync every 24h. God bless.

Proxmox has been recommended to me before I switched my main server to Arch but once I realised that it has no direct docker support I thought I’d rather just do things myself. It really is a matter of preference. It’s kind of hard to believe that all the functionality in Proxmox can be had for absolutely free.

jjlinux OP ,
@jjlinux@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s why I built 2 of my boxes, and have them Rsync 2,500 miles away from each other. My brother was nice enough to let me set the backup box in his garage. I too was mistakenly under the impression that parity was enough to keep my data safe. Once I went over some horror stories in the forums, I duplicated my purchase, built an exact replica of my box, and then set it up at my brother’s house.

desentizised ,

2500 miles sheesh. That shit’s nuclear war proof then.

RootBeerGuy , to memes in some people on this platform
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Ah right, we are in the meme community. Carry on.

AI_toothbrush , to memes in Lift like China, bro 🇨🇳💪

I really love when the far right Murica people and the far left Whinnie the pooh people forget that the rest of the world exists.

emidio ,

How is this meme exclusive? You don’t understand it?

imnotfromkaliningrad , to memes in For anyone asking: Yes, I am paid by the Chinese government 🤣
@imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml avatar

where do i sign up? im kinda broke

maniel , to memes in For anyone asking: Yes, I am paid by the Chinese government 🤣

Banned yet? Posting such things on Lemmy.ml?

Deestan ,

Look at the modlog, you’ll see a pattern in how the mods deal with discsussions around this guy.

Tartas1995 , to memes in The essence of liberalism

You could easily create that meme for the tolerance paradox. Just saying

YourBrainOnScience , to memes in Real

Every attempt to fix this is met with boomers screaming about ruining the unique character of the neighborhood.

Duamerthrax ,

The leaded gas made them easier to brainwash.

Alex-Hyatt687 , to memes in Real

this is a certified r/urbanhell moment

Chonnawonga ,

r/suburbanhell?

riodoro1 , to memes in For anyone asking: Yes, I am paid by the Chinese government 🤣

Sadly you were not given enough attention by your parents and now it’s our problem.

davel , (edited ) to memes in Lift like China, bro 🇨🇳💪
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BurgerPunk ,
@BurgerPunk@hexbear.net avatar

number of downvotes

Another day I’m glad we don’t have downvotes. Hexbear stays winning

sazey ,

Noooo China bad if you didn’t know!

I’m almost the opposite side of the political compass from current Chinese regime but even I must admit Sinophobia is out of control. It is totally cool to altogether dismiss and undermine any of their achievements and reduce 1/6 of humanity down to a single facet, all because popular Western propaganda says so.

JamesStallion , to memes in memes are inherently leftist, as they are meant to be shared.

IE: Memes are short, contextless appeals to emotion and thus the perfect format for totalitarian propaganda

yogthos ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

You’re right, simple and to the point messaging is for dummies. Sophisticated liberal mind requires propaganda that’s full of sophistry and contradictions.

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

“Totalitarian” is itself propaganda: The Origins of Totalitarianism

Hannah Arendt came from wealth and so unsurprisingly was anticommunist. Her work was financially supported and promoted by the CIA. This is a bourgeois liberal, anticommunist construct for the purposes of equivalating fascism and communism.

Monthly Review, The CIA and the Cultural Cold War Revisited

U.S. and European anticommunist publications receiving direct or indirect funding included Partisan Review, Kenyon Review, New Leader, Encounter and many others. Among the intellectuals who were funded and promoted by the CIA were Irving Kristol, Melvin Lasky, Isaiah Berlin, Stephen Spender, Sidney Hook, Daniel Bell, Dwight MacDonald, Robert Lowell, Hannah Arendt, Mary McCarthy, and numerous others in the United States and Europe. In Europe, the CIA was particularly interested in and promoted the “Democratic Left” and ex-leftists, including Ignacio Silone, Stephen Spender, Arthur Koestler, Raymond Aron, Anthony Crosland, Michael Josselson, and George Orwell.

If fact almost all of the “Western left” (that wasn’t repressed by the red scares) was captured by the imperial core’s propaganda machine: Imperialist Propaganda and the Ideology of the Western Left Intelligentsia: From Anticommunism and Identity Politics to Democratic Illusions and Fascism

JamesStallion ,

Lol, ok buddy.

imnotfromkaliningrad OP ,
@imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml avatar

why are liberals so proud of their ignorance?

JamesStallion ,

Memes are short, contextless appeals to emotion and thus the perfect format for propaganda

Does this satisfy the theory pedant in you? Do you have anything to say about the actual point being made?

imnotfromkaliningrad OP ,
@imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml avatar

There is a quote by famous theorist of World Systems Theory Samir Amin on this term:

The concept of totalitarianism is itself a false concept, invented in the contemporary era for the purpose of confining social analysis and critique within the horizon of so-called liberal, democratic, and insurmountable (the “end of history”) capitalism.

stop being a shitlib and educate yourself about the meaning of words before using them. comrade davel gave you some wonderful resources and you are dismissing them.

JamesStallion ,

Ok, if you really want to ignore my point about memes and how they reflect poorly on those who use them for political messaging, we can talk about words.

Stating that a word was inventing by a rich person doesn’t make it invalid, stating that the CIA promoted an idea also doesn’t make it invalid. Nevertheless, if totalitarian isn’t a word we are allowed to use in you doubleplusgood circles, how about you give me a word that describes a country with a single party, ruling in perpetuity? I would say memes are useful for [insert your word here] propaganda

imnotfromkaliningrad OP ,
@imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml avatar

your question was stupid and essentially just buzzwords. rebuttals to absolutely everything you said can be found in comrade davels resources. also im not sure wether you want to reference orwell, considering that he was a snitch, a cop and a rapist (and his books are bad.)

JamesStallion ,

Rebuttals to memes lacking context and being appeals to emotion? That’s all I actually said. You folks haven’t talked about anything except the impurity of the sources of my terminology.

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

how about you give me a word that describes a country with a single party, ruling in perpetuity?

You’re still trying to construct the thing we’re saying is nonsense. Typically attributed to Julius Nyerere: The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.

The US has has been ruled by the bourgeoisie since the 1776 bourgeois revolution. The wealthy, white, male land-owning, largely slave-owning Founding Fathers intentionally constructed a bourgeois democracy, which was never meant to represent us, and never has, despite eventually allowing women and non-whites (who aren’t disenfranchised by the carceral system) to vote. BBC: [Princeton] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy

In socialist states, the “one party” is the party of the working class. The two major parties today in the US are parties of the capitalist class, as were the Federalist, Democratic-Republican, and Whig parties before them.

JamesStallion ,

Excellent, the US is also one party. I don’t disagree. Now have you noticed that things are actually getting worse there now that all discourse is in meme format?

imnotfromkaliningrad OP ,
@imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml avatar

pure idealism. what kind of brainworms do do you have in order to attribute the determination of material conditions in the us to fucking memes of all things instead of the decline of the empire, as well as the sharpening contradictions of capitalism? clown shit

JamesStallion ,

I would say that political discourse has become shorter, more emotional, and less informed and complex, and this very visible in the use of memes rather than arguments in modern politics. As a theory heavy person I would have thought you would agree that this is contributing to worsening conditions all around.

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Our theories are materialist ones, not idealist ones. We believe that ideas fundamentally arise from material conditions. Those ideas do affect the material in turn, dialectically, but the material conditions are still the prime mover. Dialectical materialism (and historical materialism) are fundamental to all Marxist theory.

We reject the popular liberal theory that, if one presents one’s case well enough in the “marketplace of ideas”, that those ideas will win the day. That doesn’t mean ideas shouldn’t be presented—because that’s clearly what I’m doing here—only that it’s not sufficient. The capitalist class spends billions each year pushing their propaganda and suppressing any that oppose it. They know very well what works. Just having a good idea and presenting it cogently won’t cut it.

Memes aren’t even a new thing. 18th century memes don’t look alien to us. And we’re not spending all of our time in the meme mines.

I would say that political discourse has become shorter, more emotional, and less informed and complex

I’m not sure how I’d go about trying to prove or disprove this. Online social media ain’t everything. I think most people are abysmally uninformed/disinformed and disengaged, but I don’t know how I’d measure these or compare them to the past. In 1993 Noam Chomsky wrote, ”the general population doesn’t know what’s happening, and it doesn’t even know that it doesn’t know.”

davel ,
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That is not why things are getting worse in the US. I could go on at great length on why things are getting worse, but I don’t think this is the time or place for that.

This post is actually a great example of how memes can be effective. The meme is the hook. The conversation that’s being had around the meme is the meat & potatoes (apologies for the mixed metaphor).

Going back to an earlier comment of yours:

Memes are short, contextless appeals to emotion and thus the perfect format for propaganda

By “context,” I think you mean something different from what I’m about to say, but memes are densely packed with context: our shared cultural context. They are effective at communicating so much out of seemingly so little by leveraging our shared context. The a-ha moment of perceiving the meme through recognition of the implicit context is the hook.

JamesStallion ,

You’re right that that is not at all what I mean by context. I mean the kind of context that can make what appears to be a simple question much more complex.

I would say this thread supports my position more than yours, in that the only engaging discussion happening here is a result of attacking memes as propaganda. The actual content of the meme (socialism and memes are both about sharing) has been almost entirely ignored, probably because it is so shallow and meaningless (as are all memes) that there really isn’t much to say about it.

Valmond ,

dEmOcRaCy have only one pArRtY

But sEvErAl.1!1!

Lol

The force of democracy isn’t having 100 parties but the ability to Kick the ruling one out.

There, for you all wondering why so many people prefer democracy over some autocracy.

davel , (edited )
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

We’re knee-deep in a thread about totalitarianism being nonsense, and now you trot out its synonym?

Authoritarianism is whatever the Council on Foreign Relations says it is this week.

yogthos ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

One has to have more brain worms than RFK Jr. to think that democracy is measured by the number of parties. What actually matters is whose interests the parties represent.

brain_in_a_box ,

“democracy is when you have two parties with the exact same policies”

BluJay320 , to memes in China bad
@BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

What’s with all the bootlicking here lately?

jeffw ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

Bootlicking?! On Lemmy.ml?! No way!!!

empireOfLove2 ,
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It’s always been on ml. It just doesn’t get out to the normal communities that often…

I’m sure the CCP made some direct deposits lately though.

Confidant6198 OP ,

My Xi bucks get deposited at the end of the month 🤣

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/5d033eb0-04ba-4499-ae0f-7ebb6aee5ca7.jpeg

BluJay320 ,
@BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yawn.

some_guy , to memes in China Bad

Should seek allies, but warhawks.

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