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lemmy.ml

squilox , to programmerhumor in i love Krieger memes

Krieger you are my muse

McSquanch , to programmerhumor in I also had to post one of these

This one hit close to home, better not awaken anything in me…

fisco , to fediverse in Second largest Lemmy instance preemptively un-friends Facebook
@fisco@lemmy.ml avatar

Good 👍🏼

guyman ,

Yay censorship and users not being able to make decisions for themselves!

Yay emotions!

mrpants ,

Users are making decisions for themselves.

guyman ,

No they aren’t. Users literally do not have the power to choose which instances they see. They have to rely on their instance admins or make their own instance.

Apex_Fail ,

You know you can choose another instance, or, Ya know, make a threads account.

Personally I don’t want any sponsored posts here.

guyman ,

Or I can stay on this one because it’s federating in a way that suits me?

You know, you could choose another instance like lemmy.ml instead of trying to get lemmy.world to be more like it.

Logic. It is not present in this thread, lol.

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

We came here to get away from corporations. Its not about censorship. You sound like a corporate shill with that take.

guyman ,

Speak for yourself.

Everyone came here for their own reasons. Try not to project how you feel onto literally everyone else, lol.

Tigerfishy ,

Lemmy is not a place for the type of people that end needlessly rude sentences with LOL. Everyone hates the LOL at end

guyman ,

Lol, what?

Sounds like you need to moderate your own instance, lol.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Idk he sounds pretty reasonable to me and is specifically not lumping everyone into the same group as you are. Not everyone shares your opinion. Not everyone cares enough. I think the individual should be able to decide for themselves, and the ability to block an instance yourself is something desperately needed over this kind of wanton shutting out of things only some people are against.

Thorny_Thicket ,

How does defederating protect you from Facebook? Honest question.

MrKurteous ,

My impression is that the hope is it will stop them from doing EEE on us

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Their instance won’t be able to interact with ours. If everyone does it we basically wall them in their own garden. But this time of our making. This honestly won’t stop their content being reposted here.

straF ,

I thought we were here to say f off to one corporation. Can I still use the local grocery store??

Exusia ,
@Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

They can always make an account that federates with Threads, or make a Threads acccount, or host their own Instance and be their own lord of the manor. You choose that here.

This complaint doesn’t work. “Noones treading on you, sweetie.”

guyman ,

Or they could stay on lemmy.world? What exactly is the problem here?

It sounds like you don’t want to see an instance and think everyone else shouldn’t see it either. I’m glad you’re not the one making these decisions!

It’s hilarious how you people aren’t even satisfied with lemmy.ml blocking facebook. No, you need all of the big instances to block it. Grow up.

It would be nice if users could block entire instances on their own. That would completely solve this problem.

Exusia ,
@Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

They could stay on Lemmy.ml but you said yourself that you’re “tired of people making choices for you”. Im not sure how you thought using someone else’s server works. They own it, they can do what they want. Isn’t that how right leaning Americans want it? The thing about Federation is that even John Q Citizen can spin up their own Instance. Noone is forcing you to use someone else’s Instance and be bound by that Instances rules. Own your Instance server you can make the rules.

Also, your you of “You people” is disingenuous because what makes you think this is my only account, on the only server. There’s nothing saying I can’t have accounts on every public server. Because, as mentioned, I am free to not agree with an admins choices and noone is forcing me to stay on one Instance.

And your last - part you can! Own your own Server Instance and you can Defederate all you want! You cN even launch your own Communities identical to the others to not miss out on content you do want to see.

guyman , (edited )

“No, you start your server!”

“No, you!”

That’s what you sound like to me.

I’m literally telling you all that lemmy.world is fine for me and you’re trying to make the backwards argument that it should change for you and I should spin up my own instance?

My god. Logic is not present in this thread at all. Just say “I don’t like facebook and neither should anyone else.” You’d come across as more genuine.

Also, users shouldn’t have to host their own instance to choose what instances they see. They should have the ability to block entire instances just like they block communities and users. This is a horrible oversight of the platform and hopefully will be fixed soon.

Exusia ,
@Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

If an Instance Owner holds a vote and 98% of people say they want to Fedi with Threads, and the owner Defederates anyway, they can do that because they own it. It will make those 98% unhappy, but that’s the price of being on that owners Instance. The owner has execute authority.

So the alternatives are - in order of difficulty and effort/cost 1.Make a Threads account 2.join a Fedi that is still federated with them 3.Make your own.

If the 98% were actually that unhappy and did literally anything other than staying and creating content on that Instance, then it reduces traffic to that Instance. And the owner is left with a ton of sunken cost in hardware for not listening to a 98% vote. That’s how capitalism is supposed to work, right?

guyman ,

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  • Exusia ,
    @Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

    You argued for 2 hours just to finally admit you don’t want solutions, you just want to keep being a victim.

    And pre-emptively, I’m going to predict you’re going to make some kind of snarky reply about blocking me, like you did the other users. Because you just need the attention announcing it brings.

    guyman ,

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  • Exusia , (edited )
    @Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

    Fuckin lol called it. User doesn’t react to my edits and didn’t notice my call out their newd for an edit. Pretty sure I just spent 3 hours talking to a fuckin bot.

    fisco ,
    @fisco@lemmy.ml avatar

    You’re free to decide to move to another instance… Simple👍🏼

    dustojnikhummer ,

    And free to not move from lemmy.world if they don’t block Facebook

    Alphadef , to programmerhumor in i love Krieger memes

    We’re about to find out

    aidan , to programmerhumor in There is an imposter among us

    I will never understand why people are so set on spaces…

    darknavi ,
    @darknavi@vlemmy.net avatar

    Tabs are blasphemy.

    aidan ,

    Why?

    1rre ,

    I use spaces, but tabs use fewer characters, are easier to edit and allow for people to have custom indentation levels…

    BrerChicken ,

    I will never understand why people are so set on spaces…

    They just never really understood tabs. If they did, they wouldn’t be sitting there counting how many times they hit the space bar!

    einsteinx2 ,
    @einsteinx2@programming.dev avatar

    We understand tabs perfectly, we press the tab bar and our editor inserts 4 spaces like god intended

    lightsecond , (edited )

    If you’re using monospaced fonts for writing code (please tell me you are) spaces make sure that the code will look roughly the same on everyone’s machine.

    <pre style="background-color:#ffffff;">
    <span style="color:#323232;">def function(paramX: str,
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">             paramY: str,
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">             paramZ: str) -> int:
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">  pass
    </span>
    

    If I’d used tabs, the second and third parameter might not align with the first.

    Also, left-side indentation is only a small part of the overall whitespace in code. You’re adding whitespace even when you write x = y. Spaces make sure that this whitespace around the = grows in the same scale as the indentation.

    aidan ,

    Yes but it’s not your job to make sure your code looks the same for everyone else. If they’d prefer to read it with a different tab size, maybe they’re using a smaller screen, or a larger one because of vision issues there’s no reason they shouldn’t. You can use an optional editor config if you want it to be able to look the same for others.

    lightsecond ,

    It makes a difference when you’re working on a large project with lots of people. Even Linux mandates 1 tab = 8 spaces.

    The only argument i see in favour of tabs is the “i can change the width on my own machine!” which isn’t very convincing if you are working on a team and need to follow conventions every time you commit code. The indentation will keep looking weird on your machine.

    aidan ,

    Yes so you can choose to follow that convention, but it being adjustable for reading is very useful for reading on different screensizes or with eyesight issues. Why not just set what you want in an editor config?

    lightsecond ,

    Well, life is about trade-offs and neither spaces or tabs are perfect in every scenario, but the industry overall prefers spaces over tabs nowadays and the tooling reflects that too. For me personally, as long as a project is consistent in its formatting and developers don’t need to fight its tooling, I’m happy with either. We can yak shave all we want (and lots of people are doing that on the internets) but I hope I at least answered your initial question about why people prefer spaces over tabs.

    aidan ,

    That’s fair, you did thank you!

    CanadaPlus , to programmerhumor in Ah you're finally awake!

    Time to brush up on my line editor skills.

    So what should we do differently this time?

    marcos ,

    If you hire a developer some day by the 90’s, and he says to you he wants to make lisp for some strange niche platform; don’t berate him.

    Oh, and for mankind’s sake, give him more than a week to work on it.

    CanadaPlus ,

    Maybe we can spend actual time on the web browser scripting language too.

    davidgro , to programmerhumor in Tabs vs Spaces

    Loving these 3 year old posts on the “Hot” view. (Not sarcasm, these are great)

    zbecker ,
    @zbecker@mastodon.zbecker.cc avatar

    @davidgro @AgreeableLandscape

    Are you using hot or active? If you're using active it is because someone posted a comment, as it works via most recent comment instead of post date

    Perhyte ,

    They show up in Hot too. Probably because someone on this server loaded the post to make that comment, so it got imported to the server. I guess Hot sorts based on (score and) “new to me”, not “new”.

    Streetdog ,
    @Streetdog@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m just here for the moment. Keep it up.

    zbecker ,
    @zbecker@mastodon.zbecker.cc avatar

    @Perhyte

    oh that might be the case that it is new to the server. I didn't even think about that.

    camr_on ,
    @camr_on@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s like when youtube recommends a 9 year old video and all the comments are from the last month lol

    ZheSquirrel , to fediverse in Second largest Lemmy instance preemptively un-friends Facebook
    @ZheSquirrel@lemmy.world avatar

    I mean, if Lemmy.world doesn’t when they decide to try and move in, I’ll just move on to the next site that does. Prolly Lemmy.ml

    Nausiyan , to programmerhumor in Electron
    @Nausiyan@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Yes! Yes! Fricking yes!

    Nausiyan , to programmerhumor in Hacked together, nonsensical at times, used basically everywhere.
    @Nausiyan@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    What is Japanese?

    theneverfox , to fediverse in I designed a Material You app for Lemmy
    @theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

    I’m putting the final touches on an app using material design. I’ve broken away from cards and haven’t even considered a light mode yet, but I’ve been pretty unhappy with the search/explorer

    This just got me unstuck on it, so thanks

    souperk ,

    I don’t know why, but this exchange felt of fucking romantic. Keep up the good work you amazing people!

    a_m OP ,

    Awesome, glad I can help. I also have some design outside of the cards, you can check it out in the Figma link for more inspiration

    warmaster , to fediverse in I designed a Material You app for Lemmy

    Great work, but super clickbait title.

    a_m OP ,

    lol, my bad, I used to be a content writer so it kinda runs in my blood =))) anw, updated for more accurate title

    polskilumalo , to fediverse in Second largest Lemmy instance preemptively un-friends Facebook
    @polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    These are very good news, I just hope more instances beyond lemmy.ml do so too.

    AustNerevar , (edited )

    Why is this good news exactly? Doesn’t this just mean that people who want to see content from Threads will be driven to that app instead? Why not allow Lemmy users to see Threads content without them actually having to support Meta?

    unerds ,

    ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-ne…

    this article here gives a pretty good rundown of the likely intent of any sort of federated integration with any meta product, with examples of the same thing happening twice before with other technologies.

    supporting it puts them in a position to “help” it… as they “help” they implement new closed source features… then drop support.

    much of the growth that would occur during the “support/help” phase would be on their proprietary iteration and would not benefit the fediverse.

    the trajectory would likely be co-opting the fediverse, obscuring their service from the fediverse, while building their services behind closed doors, and then dropping support.

    they’re recognizing the fediverse as a reasonable competitor, and this is a move intended to kill it.

    InternetUser2012 , to programmerhumor in Companies: "Why do people hate our tech support bots?" The tech support bots:

    Working as intended

    ZombieMantis , to fediverse in I designed a Material You app for Lemmy
    @ZombieMantis@lemmy.world avatar

    This reminds me a bit of Sync, formally for Reddit. They’re bringing it to Lemmy at some point in the future. Love all the new apps coming out for here, great work :)

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