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HEXN3T OP , to showerthoughts in There should be a semicolon punctuation for exclamation and question marks.
@HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I daresay this would be a revolutionary addition to grammar;! What say you?

Rhynoplaz ,

Is a new mark necessary? Just taking out the semicolon does exactly what you want.

Hell, the semicolon was pretty much invented because someone thought “What if I want a compound sentence, but can’t decide on a conjunction to put between them?”

How often does anybody use THOSE? (In English, C++ doesn’t count)

HEXN3T OP ,
@HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The sentence doesn’t have emphasis unless I use italics, which isn’t always convenient, or sometimes even possible (writing, software with no formatting).

Also, I use semicolons–and double hyphens, for that matter–quite frequently. I love using them.

Rhynoplaz ,

So, you just like putting wacky symbols in your writing despite grammar?

Just start writing all your posts in l33t speak!

533m5 11k3 7h47 m19h7 83 219h7 up y0u2 4113y!

HEXN3T OP ,
@HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Ok

Strider ,

1337 5k111z 820.

intensely_human ,

No, semicolons are not for compound sentences; they’re for something else.

FederatedSaint , to science_memes in Geohydtotypography

I know this is meant to sound like the expansion is fast, but it is in fact really, REALLY slow.

PythagreousTitties , (edited )

Well yeah it’s slow. No one would hire the Atlantic with only 100 wps typing skill.

independantiste , to showerthoughts in There should be a semicolon punctuation for exclamation and question marks.
@independantiste@sh.itjust.works avatar

I don’t really understand what you mean, do you have examples of how you would use it? Or a scenario where you would need it

Reverendender ,

I’m actually also quite curious

HEXN3T OP ,
@HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I have been posting examples under other comments

pelya , to showerthoughts in There should be a semicolon punctuation for exclamation and question marks.

I suggest using a ternary operator. At least 10% of Lemmy users will understand this syntax.

j4k3 ,
@j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

noooo pls don’t DRY tun-state-desiccate language with terse-nary cleverness

spittingimage ,
@spittingimage@lemmy.world avatar

Please, I’m confused enough about what people younger than 30 are trying to say.

Boozilla , to showerthoughts in There should be a semicolon punctuation for exclamation and question marks.
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I’ve occasionally seen the exclamation mark put inside of parentheses. I interpret it as the writer saying to the reader, “are you seeing this shit?”

Anyway, not sure if that’s what you’re going for here.

HEXN3T OP ,
@HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’m only going for a semicolon with tonality. Overall, super simple and straightforward. It uses already existing marks with already established meaning, and provides a useful way to transcribe dialogue.

Why does this not exist;? Something so damned simple!

Edit: It’s not related to (!) or (?). I know, since I quite literally just used these a moment ago somewhere else. It is a little similar, but it’s different.

Carrolade ,

So, for the record, these things come into existence in the first place simply because someone, somewhere, starts using them. Language is something that drifts over time, and punctuation is no exception.

Hawke ,

It’s a bit harder to do this digitally though since the glyphs aren’t just marks on paper.

rand_alpha19 ,

Why does this not exist;? Something so damned simple!

You don't really need to link these clauses together, it sounds clunky. A question should probably be independent the vast majority of the time, and when it isn't it should come last.

Like this: Something so damned simple; why does it not exist? I think it sounds way better and is easier to read. If you need to describe the tone, that could be a sentence that comes before or after. It's easier to do this in dialogue than in thoughts, but still doable either way.

I think what you're proposing is unnecessary when you could just rewrite it to flow better. I can guarantee you that there's probably a better way to structure your sentence than simply inserting a new form of punctuation.

Wxnzxn , to science_memes in Venomous
@Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml avatar
Haggunenons , to science_memes in Interspecies linguistics
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For anyone interested, we have a community about this! !digitalbioacoustics

JASN_DE , to selfhosted in Looking for HW recommendations for DIY NAS/Homelab

Define “very quiet”? Because that’s going to be tricky with spinning rust, depending on your noise tolerance.

sugar_in_your_tea OP ,

I’m thinking 25DB is the cap, ideally under 20DB.

I think HDDs are typically around 5-10DB, and they should spin down at night. Quieter is better, but I don’t need to go completely fanless. So basically, those tiny pizza box server fans are completely off the table, but larger, slower fans should be fine.

JASN_DE ,

I’m thinking 25DB is a hard cap, ideally under 20DB.

I think HDDs are typically around 5-10DB,

Um no. More like 20-25db at idle, up to 30 during heavy seek activity, depending on model.

I run 3x 5400rpm drives in my NAS, and the drives are definitely the loudest parts in the whole build, and are definitely noticeable in the office room.

sugar_in_your_tea OP ,

Really? I currently sit like 3’ from my current PC NAS, and while I can hear it, the fan noise seems louder (stock AMD heatsink and fan). This YouTube looks at very similar drives to what I have (my drives are WD 8TB NAS Plus 5400RPM, video is 8TB NAS Pro 7200), and the measurement is something like 10-15DB per drive. Mine should be quieter than the video, so I think it’ll be fine.

I’ll probably need to replace my drives soon since I got them 5 years ago (though they were off 80% of the time), so I may consider SSDs if the pricing looks reasonable (I’m only using 2-4TB right now, but I expect that to double or triple in the next couple years).

Anyway, this is a somewhat temporary situation. Quiet gives me options. If it’s too loud, I can keep it on my desktop. I’m more looking for lower power (currently use 50W-ish idle for whole system) and smaller form factor (current one is a massive ATX tower).

aodhsishaj ,

Can confirm I am running what I am often is told is overkill here.

7200rpm hitachi 12TB drives

Just measured at 19DB at a meter away running a zpool scrub.

So it definitely depends on which HDD you have.

narc0tic_bird ,

Is your typical noise floor even under 20 dB? HDDs are also a lot louder than 5-10 dB, and manufacturers usually list dBA in their spec sheets, not dB.

kitnaht ,

A typical refrigerator is like 40dbA – 25dbA is ABSURDLY quiet. You’re not gonna hit that without a completely fanless system. If 25dbA is his hard cap, he can’t even be breathing in the same area as the computer, because that’s something like 28dbA…

sugar_in_your_tea OP ,

I’m honestly not sure, I’m just pulling stuff from various online sources to get an estimate. This YouTube video measures noise from a single 7200 RPM WD Red drive, and I have 2x 5400 WD Red drives, so I’m guessing mine will be similar, if not a little quieter. I’d measure it myself, but it’s next to 2 other PCs and fan noise drowns it out.

Basically, I want it to work under my bed. It’s a large, thick bed (king size purple mattress; so basically foam), so I can stick it pretty far in to get some flexibility on what “quiet” means. We also aren’t particularly light sleepers, so our threshold is probably a little higher than others.

That said, I’m using the stock fan for my Ryzen 1700 (Wraith Spire I think?), and that’s way too loud for a bedroom (40dba-ish?), and I can’t really hear my drives over the fan unless I get really close. The spec on the drives say something like 20-30dba for my drives (I’m guessing that’s right next to the drive), and I think that’s quiet enough for my room, especially if I can dampen vibration a bit. But since the drives will probably spin down, I’m looking for fan noise around that level or lower, if I need a fan at all.

Whiskey_iicarus , to showerthoughts in There should be a semicolon punctuation for exclamation and question marks.
@Whiskey_iicarus@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Does this cover what you’re asking for, I hope it does?!

HEXN3T OP ,
@HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I use these often, but it doesn’t solve a sentence being split into two distinct tones. A “!?” mark is useful for when you’re effectively shouting a question, but it’s not the instance I’m referring to.

TheSpookiestUser , to showerthoughts in There should be a semicolon punctuation for exclamation and question marks.
@TheSpookiestUser@lemmy.world avatar

I often see this accomplished with dashed interjections - dashes! can you believe that? - as a way to break up a sentence while still continuing with a single train of thought. But I always support the invention of new punctuation, how long has it been since we got any? We’re well overdue.

HEXN3T OP ,
@HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Writing is as much a form of stylistic expression as any other medium.

SpaceNoodle ,

Is the interrobang not enough for you‽

tiefling ,

I always enjoy a good interrobang before bed

We’re both talking about the same thing right?

dharmacurious ,

¡I love the interrobang! But I feel like we need more than just that. ⸘Would it not be fantastic to know the tone of a sentence from the beginning‽

Also, I believe what OP is looking for is something like this image. Sadly, I can’t find a keyboard with them, or a copy/pastable line where they’ve been typed. 1000010473

Would also be useful mixed with the interrobang. The backwards question mark “⸮” is also often used for rhetorical questions. But it’s sometimes replaced with ❓because it’s easier to type on a phone. ❗Is sometimes used for sarcastic enthusiasm, too, instead of the “official” sarcmark with is apparently copywrited and difficult to parse because it’s all swirly and weird, whereas the big red ❗ or ❓ is way more obviously out of place and meant to be noticed, like sarcasm or a rhetorical question.

propter_hog , to science_memes in Interspecies linguistics
@propter_hog@hexbear.net avatar

So you’re telling me that when a cat chirps when it sees a bird through the window, it’s really saying “here, birdie birdie birdie” to it?

Icalasari ,

Nah, it's trying to imitate the bird and is going, "No cat here, only friend" (in terms of purpose. In reality, the cat just knows birds with y appearance come to x sound, so make x sound to make y bird maybe come, the cat doesn't understand the mechanics, just that it works)

Cats do have limited mimicry abilities - It's probably why there are so many videos of cats "speaking" human words - adapting that mostly unused mimicry skill to get the human's attention with sounds it notices humans use to get the attention of other humans

JustEnoughDucks , to selfhosted in Looking for HW recommendations for DIY NAS/Homelab
@JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl avatar

You want a prebuilt NUC. That is pretty much it. A Pi generally doesn’t cut it, plus by the time you get all the accessories to make it usable as a server, you are at the price of a much more powerful small PC.

I run a ryzen 3600 with 32GB RAM in a Node 304 and it is very quiet with 12TB red pro helium drives. 4 HDD capable with a GPU and 6 without. However, it still draws 20-30W idle or 50W with an Arc A380 installed.

sugar_in_your_tea OP ,

That’s not bad.

My current setup isn’t that power hungry (like 50W idle w/ GTX 750 ti installed, no GUI; measured at the wall), but I was hoping for something like 10W for everything except the drives. I’m guessing my current CPU + GPU is about 30-35W and is totally overkill.

I’ve looked at NUCs and miniPCs, and the main issue is the lack of PCIe/SATA. The best option seems to be to get a separate USB-C enclosure, but those seem kind of sketchy. That’s why the ZimaBlade looked interesting, but I’m worried it’s a little underpowered. I’d really like the ZimaBlade w/ an N100, another drive port (SATA, eMMC, m.2), and real USB-C. If I could get that for <$200, I’d get it.

clot27 , to linuxmemes in Have you tried NixOS?
@clot27@lemm.ee avatar

yes, and its best

breadsmasher , to newcommunities in IWTL - I Want To Learn
@breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

Probably useful to provide a link to said community

Don_Dickle OP ,

shit forgot that one minute…done thank you for pointing it out…no sarcasm.

breadsmasher ,
@breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

no problem

Blaze ,
grandma , to science_memes in Hardcore

Had to blink a few times but damn that’s metal

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