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uriel238 , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

One can only hope.

The last time that happened, we explored the moon and developed the space shuttle program. We got microchips and memory foam.

Ideological rivals encourage congress throwing money into big science. Apollo returned $14 on the dollar. It’s a good investment.

TakiMinase , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program

Export all your technology and jobs to cheaper labour to make more profit. Now you will slowly become bankrupt, as no one can afford the enshitification products and services.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Enshittification doesn’t just mean “things get worse”

TheFriar , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program

US: continually decides to not fund scientific exploration of space

Also US: GUYS! BE AFRAID! ANOTHER COUNTRY DID DECIDE TO SPEND MONEY ON IT! NOW WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO IF…UM…WELL, I GUESS IF THEY TAKE OVER SPACE…? Or…wait, what are we concerned about? Ah, fuck it. Cut NASA’s budget again. We got genocide to fund and taxes to cut for the wealthy.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Same with Republicans and the border.

“Do something about the border!”

“Ok, we need funds. Please give them to us.”

“No! Do something about the border!”

“We can’t because you won’t give us the money.”

“Too bad! Do something about the border!”

Nudding ,

Didn’t Biden agree with those idiots that the border is the most important issue of the day?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Probably. I don’t remember. I do remember them screaming that something has to be done about the border, then the Democrats gave them virtually everything they asked for on the border and Biden said he would sign the bill, but then Trump told them not to agree to it because it would hurt his campaign and they shot down the bill that would have given them what they wanted.

And the really sad part is that half the country, at least half the country, doesn’t even know.

Nudding ,

Yep, you have a ghost president calling the shots for half the elected representatives, and the current president condoning a genocide. Really no winning.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Remember when you just told me that I support genocide by existing because I haven’t rioted?

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b80084af-f34e-4078-b475-50b8de4242ef.png

Maybe you aren’t the best person to be talking about this. Because apparently you think around 8 billion people support genocide.

Nudding ,

I’m sorry that you’re having so much trouble with this thought process. Good luck with the genocide.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not having any trouble at all. You believe my lack of death means I support genocide, unless I do the things you’ve said. And since you claim I already support genocide, you must know for a fact that I didn’t do those things you said.

Therefore, I support genocide by existing.

Are you going to pretend you didn’t write what I pasted above?

Honestly, I’m just waiting for you to tell me to kill myself. That’s the next step.

Nudding ,

Go outside lol.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Why, would going outside make it so that my existence would not force me into supporting genocide?

Nudding ,

As long as you don’t accidentally vote for Biden or Trump on your way back in, you’ll be fine.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

No, you already told me I supported genocide no matter who I voted for or even if I didn’t vote. So that isn’t true.

orrk ,

my god, like, could you stop using the genocide logic to do this shit? you see “the people in Gaza deserve to be targets of a genocide because they didn’t rise up against Hamas”

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Yes. And now we’re going to have two senile coots yelling “He let the illegals in!” back and forth at one another as we stumble into another national embarrassment of an election season.

doctorcrimson , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program

They must have made some huge advances since the last time I checked in on them because they haven’t exactly been considered sophisticated in the art of rocketry for a couple centuries now. They first had a person in space in 2003 and they’re still using the same Shenzou line of rockets since that time. They’ve had some controversies about where their boosters are landing and covering people with Hydrazine which is also an outdated fuel type, imo.

Argonne ,

Yeah you missed the part where they have a fucking space station and a growing private sector of reusable launch vehicles that are copying SpaceX.

doctorcrimson ,

We’re impressed by a space station? What is this, 1976?

I’ll admit it’s an improvement over their situation before the early 80s where 88.7% of people in China were below the poverty line.

Argonne , (edited )

Yeah, a space station is actually pretty impressive given that no other country besides the US and Russia have one, and that will be gone by 2030 with no plans for a replacement. If you don’t think a Space station is impressive then you’re very ignorant. So in a few years China will have the only space station in space. They launch multiple rockets per week while the US just has SpaceX launching at a similar cadence. Go stick your head in the sand if you want, but outside of SpaceX the Chinese have a better space program and just saying “we did it x many years ago” is completely irrelevant to today. All of the tech isn’t here anymore. There is no space shuttle. The SLS is a boondoggle that will never fly after a few expensive Artemis missions. ULA is basically bankrupt and trying to get sold. Boeing Space is a disaster. Today is what matters and I believe Chinas space program is in a much better place than ours. Today. It’s a result of attitudes like yours that handwave away anything that China does and leads to stagnation and complacency and corruption

doctorcrimson ,

The ISS was designed and built in various countries across 4 continents in the 80s and 90s, I would hardly call it only Russia’s and the USA’s. I honestly respect India’s Aerospace more than China’s current level of technology. Even the UK, who historically have had no interest in the field, are in the midst of planning 2 massive Space Ports in England and Scotland.

I’m not dismissing the failures of USA Space Program, it’s so inefficient to its core that Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos each started their own rocketry firms that blew conventional compartmentalized industry pricing out of the running. I’m just striving for accuracy of Chinese Failures. They’re not currently neck and neck with us, at all. When they figure out how to make coal powered rockets, then maybe I’ll sweat a little, lol.

Rinna , (edited ) to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program
@Rinna@lemm.ee avatar

Dang maybe we should take a fraction of the trillions we spend on the military to fund scientific research, and also health and education while we’re at it so we’d get even more potential scientists.

lud , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program

Yes, race harder please.

NigelFrobisher , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program

Have they considered renaming it X and firing all their expert staff to make NASA more profitable?

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

SpaceX is already a thing. What is it with Elon Musk and the letter X?

Filthmontane , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program

Looking at their space station, I think China already has overtaken NASA.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Their station has like three modules (with plans to add 3 more) and capacity for 3 people. The ISS has at least 16 modules (maybe over 30 depending on what you count as a module) and capacity for over a dozen people.

Like many things from authoritarian countries, it looks nice but isn’t even close in terms of capabilities.

Filthmontane ,

Authoritarianism is not equal to capabilities. In fact, the Soviet space program was significantly more capable for a very long time

Honytawk , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program

Don’t worry guys, the US Space Force will make sure they are prevented from entering space.

FlyingSquid , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Huh. I wonder if funding NASA better might help, Republicans?

FordBeeblebrox ,

If we fold it into the space force and say it’s for targeting woke weirdos…we’ll get a billion dollars through congress by tomorrow

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

We could just say the “anti-woke” part and not even bother with the space force part and that would probably work.

The woke boogieman is the biggest thing to scare them in years.

intensely_human ,

The woke boogeyman scares us because it, itself, is a set of false threats that are distracting us from real threats.

Like, we’re worried about war, a shifting global power structure, the degradation of systems of detente that keep the worst in humanity from emerging, and the woke crowd wants us to treat the feelings of exclusion of trans people as the most important threat on the board.

The woke movement is a boogeyman movement, and that’s why we treat it as dangerous. The woke movement is a push to get new boogeymen added to our threat list and moved to top priority over things we know will actually kill us.

And thing that really, really scares us, is that the system that has proven to be the salve for the ills of massive unleashed violence, the system we call free market economics, is being targeted by the woke crowd because they refuse to read the history of the things they’re proposing. They’re all like “we don’t want people to suffer so let’s abolish private property”. That’s like saying “we don’t want people to drown, and people tend to drown when they’re near boats, so let’s destroy this boat we’re all in, to prevent drowning!”

It’s terrifying to us because there are serious things to be afraid of, and the woke movement is asking us to ignore or even embrace those things.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

There is no “woke movement.” That’s exactly why you’re scared of a boogieman. They don’t exist either.

rottingleaf ,

Call it “search for extraterrestrial woke intelligence” and they’ll melt.

FordBeeblebrox ,

Intelligence that doesn’t come from jeebus?! They’ll burn that ark before it leaves the ground

Search for god or his patio or whatever…now you’ve got Midwest money

rottingleaf ,

“Search for extraterrestrial divine intelligence” or “a strategy to get closer to God through space colonization”, say, a Stanford torus in some L point (that’s so expensive that it ain’t gonna happen, but they’ll also be very excited, I think).

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Instead, I think we should defund China.

rapturous GOP applause and cheering

CooperRedArmyDog ,

They are likely going to fund it less and give more and more of its mission over to space force and private companies is my guess

intensely_human ,

That would also work.

The only thing that won’t work for space is the thing we’re doing now:

  • Maintaining a vice-like government control
  • Using that government authority to choose not to move forward

Progress only stops under a narrow set of conditions that need to be actively implemented by the government. Progress is actually natural, and progress stopping requires enormous centralized effort to interfere with people getting things done.

CooperRedArmyDog ,

I disagree privitizing space will do absolutly nothing but lead to balooned costs and stagnation.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Theoretically private programs would be an increased cost over a NASA only program since private companies want a profit margin.

But Congress being what it is tends to require NASA programs to create jobs in a lot of different voting districts across the country which leads to an insane amount of inefficiencies.

We can’t have nice things because of pork barrel politics.

CooperRedArmyDog ,

Private Companies however have no insintive to actualy innovate, if you look at them they are all taking decades old NASA and USSR Space program tech and resuing it … and callling it innovation

cole ,
@cole@lemdro.id avatar

I’m sorry… this is not true lol. You know what SpaceX is up to, right? At the least, but there are tons of interesting and innovative companies. I mean hell look at Stoke Space

AngryCommieKender ,

Switch the funding for the MIC and NASA for one year. We’ll have fusion power cracked in 5.

FordBeeblebrox , (edited ) to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program

We all live on this rock. Floating through space.

Anyone who doesn’t want to spend more time looking out is someone with something in their closet you don’t want to look in.

Ad Astra per Aspera

rottingleaf ,

“To thorns, to stars”?..

CooperRedArmyDog ,

theythey have the qote mixed up its Ad Astra Per Aspare, To the stars through dificalties… you see it everywhere in Kansas

rottingleaf ,

Why in Kansas? EDIT: Oh, googled it.

CooperRedArmyDog ,

State Motto… do not ask me why it is the state motto, because I have absolutly no Idea

intensely_human ,

“Just keep going”

orrk ,

well, I think he meant: Per aspera ad astra

just remember that almost all older languages had fewer nouns and verbs, so “thorns” here is referring to difficulty and obstruction

so more meaningfully translated, this old Latin saying is closer to “through great treachery is the path to the stars”

rottingleaf ,

Yes, I know the saying, just was a bit unkind

FordBeeblebrox ,

Ok so the Starfleet quote is “Ad Astra per Aspera”. Should it be Per Aspera ad Astra? Asking for Latin grammar lessons

intensely_human ,

I mean it’s not that hard to recognize “thorns” meaning difficulty and obstruction.

But as I’m saying this, I remember that younger generations didn’t spend time outside as kids. So they may never have pushed through a thicket of thorns.

Eventually, we’ll have people who’ve lived their entire lives in zero-G, and they won’t have an intuitive understanding of the feelings implied by the phrase “stand up for oneself”. They won’t understand the state of motivation versus fatigue implied by “holding one’s chin up”, that the posture of one’s body was a function of the interplay between gravity and dopamine.

FordBeeblebrox ,

Ad Astra Per Aspera

Going for the Starfleet quote, sorry my Latin is lacking

rottingleaf ,

Yes, that’s right

NutWrench , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program
@NutWrench@lemmy.world avatar

Anyone concerned that the US will be “overtaken” by anything coming out of China right now needs to go read about what’s been happening in China for the last 5 years.

TheRealKuni ,

What do you mean?

NutWrench ,
@NutWrench@lemmy.world avatar

If you watch anything other than chinadaily (the CCPs propaganda channel) you’d know exactly what I mean.

TheRealKuni ,

I wasn’t trying to say you were wrong…I legitimately don’t know what you’re trying to say.

h3mlocke ,

Dumbest answer to a simple question, congrats! 🥳

flop_leash_973 , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program

I’m sure throwing more money and contracts at Musk and SpaceX is going to help solve the problem any day now. /s

electricprism , to technology in China's latest stealth tech promises invisible fighter jets, says report

I hope they decoupled the heisenberg compensators if you catch my drift

SturgiesYrFase , to technology in China's latest stealth tech promises invisible fighter jets, says report
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

Bet they shine like the noon sun in IR though

teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

Knowing the Chinese tendency to lie massage the truth this thing is probably only radar transparent in one frequency and lit up like a beacon in all other frequencies.

subverted_per ,

Well yeah, that was my first thought. They coat a part of the plane with a radioactive isotope. It would have to be a lot of the stuff to ionize enough air around the part to hide it from radar. Considering that the plane is flying, and the air around it doesn’t sit still I would guess that in certain frequencies it would be bright as the sun. If this thing works as stated I wouldn’t get close to that thing without a decent amount of concrete between us.

SkybreakerEngineer ,

Who wants to volunteer to pilot the cancer plane?

MaggiWuerze ,

It’s like the Voyager episode, when the plane stops two lizards crawl out and mate in a nearby pond

verity_kindle ,

Then abandon their offspring, complying with the One Child Policy.

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