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LarmyOfLone , to technology in Gel and lithium-ion tech could enable 1000-mile EV range on one charge

The problem is we can’t keep the same resources waste up. Lower range and smaller cars is what is needed. The perfect car of the future would be a one-seater that is as small and light as a electric velomobile (~70kg). Build a few millions of them and replace all cars in a city with those. Ideally self driving and as a robo-taxi, but even without the self driving this would be good. Of course cars isn’t really that high on the list for climate change.

But as a civilization we are simply not an intelligent species.

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

how do we magically get goods to and from?

grocery store trips?

what about other items from the store such as TVs?

what about families?

have you seen what is required daily or weekly for a baby?

what about a Micro Center trip?

www.velomobileworld.com

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b12da139-3e28-4324-badb-d1419f769e62.webp

not intelligent to be able move people and objects around?

travel over 3,000 miles every few months for work out of state and could not see myself in that taking naps at a rest stop comfortably

with such out of touch comments the petrol conundrum may never be solved

LarmyOfLone ,

Consider something like 50% bigger than a podbike.

3000 miles is not something we as a society should accommodate to travel by car. The whole problem is that everyone thinks we can keep doing the same lifestyle just with zero carbon. We simply can’t. We need to change how we live and work.

LarmyOfLone ,

Huh this video just dropped which is one possible solution to design a different work / live environment. If you imagine a village like that but large enough to have a school and some more amenities: Building a village designed for people (not cars) near Phoenix

But you’d still want public transport, bikes and delivery vans. But in Europe you also get a lot of cargo quadricycles to deliver goods.

knexcar ,

I’d love gel and lithium-ion batteries in an ebike or a velomobile. It would result in a 40% increase in range with no extra weight, making them more of a viable alternative for somewhat longer commutes (think 10-15 miles). Sure we should be serving those by high speed public transit, but this would be a faster stopgap/alternative.

Oh and it would be useful for electric trucks too, even short-range ones could be made lighter with less batteries.

RagingRobot ,

A single person vehicle will never be the solution because families exist. No parent would want their kids in a separate vehicle.

LarmyOfLone ,

Yeah it’s not a solution to everything. I imagine the standard “super light” robo taxi as a two seater with the seats facing each other. Without a driver seat you can redesign individual transport to be narrower which improves aerodynamics.

But yeah for families or cargo transport you still need larger vehicles. Or take two. And I also imagine this to be more of a “gap filler” besides public transport or bicycles. It would really require a pretty big redesign of how we live and work to reduce our energy and resource usage to zero.

echodot ,

I wish my kids would have separate vehicle sometimes. I’m sick of playing eye spy with people that can’t spell.

RagingRobot ,

Yeah I always wish my car had one of those divider windows like limos have so I can close the kids in the back when they argue. It’s not really offered though haha

laverabe ,

yeah but think of what would be lost when the saying, “Don’t make me turn this car around!” is never uttered again. The loss of decades of tradition… ;)

echodot ,

Actually surprised how little cars actually contribute to climate change I thought it was a major factor but they’re not really. If everyone in the world just switched to using LED light bulbs rather than incandescent it would be equivalent to removing half of the world’s cars from the road. And honestly seems easier to upgrade everyone’s light bulbs to LED than to replace every car.

LarmyOfLone ,

Yeah, the single biggest thing we could do is ban industrial meat production and regulate food production to be more local. But the overall scale of change needed is staggering. We’re not going to do much really.

Person264 ,

I too watched veritasium today

rolling_resistance ,

Directly via exhaust? It’s a significant number, but maybe not the biggest one. But add manufacturing, oil (or battery materials) extraction and refining, road infra construction and maintenance, emissions connected to suburbanization, microplastic pollution from tires, health and safety impact, and you’ll get a much grimmer picture. LEDs won’t cut it, and cars do not scale to 8B people.

AMDIsOurLord ,

Lmfao tell me you’re an over privileged fuck in some hyper urban city without using those exact words

My life, and lives of hundreds of millions of people in the global south would go TO SHIT if this euro-centric shit takes™ ever get any light of day

finkrat , to technology in Gel and lithium-ion tech could enable 1000-mile EV range on one charge

Sounds nice, wake me up when it’s available

sebinspace ,

You can probably sleep for a heckin long time.

atrielienz , to technology in Gel and lithium-ion tech could enable 1000-mile EV range on one charge

I won’t be buying a new car. ICE or EV. Specifically because my old car doesn’t have a lot of the things that allow the car manufacturer to spy on me, and I won’t upgrade to any of the nonsense. Right now I can fix pretty much everything in that car for less than the price of a new vehicle.

echodot ,

I’ve managed to somehow make friends with the owner of a local junkyard. Not quite sure how I did that it wasn’t intentional but it’s quite useful because I can get parts for my car that the manufacturer would want hundreds of pounds for otherwise.

In the future I bet they pull some apple style rubbish and start software locking components to individual vehicles so you can’t just pull them off a donor car to fix yours

Jarix ,

Better hope donor parts don’t start getting used to by pass security features or this will happen in an instant

atrielienz ,

Seems unlikely. For one because donor parts like computers would have to be programmed (either by the manufacturer, or a mechanic with access to a scan tool that could do so), and so if you need a new ECU you’re limited to those options or a third party service that will clone that computer. And two, most of the things I’d need to replace on that car that aren’t computer related are easy to get second hand from a pick n pull, junk yard, or aftermarket and don’t really have the kinds of electronics used to send and receive info to a car manufacturers servers. I’m not worried that my MAP sensor is gonna spy on me to BMW. I would worry if it were an ECU or a TCM or the like. The other thing is it would require upgrading the 3G chip in a lot of cars on the road to 4G or similar and or plugging a 4G device into the car somewhere like the OBD port which would be quite obvious in my car.

laverabe , to technology in Gel and lithium-ion tech could enable 1000-mile EV range on one charge

Sodium is the future of batteries right now.

Projections from BNEF suggest that sodium-ion batteries could reach pack densities of nearly 150 watt-hours per kilogram by 2025. And some battery giants and automakers in China think the technology is already good enough for prime time. 1

+1 for them not exploding too.

Trollception ,

Why is it superior to Li-Ion? Li-Ion has an energy density of up to 180.

laverabe ,

because it has the potential to be sustainable, cheaper, and less explosive. It’s not technically superior as far as energy density goes, but right now batteries are prohibitive in many applications, moreso due to cost than weight.

doppelgangmember ,

and Glass pack batteries

rolling_resistance , to technology in Gel and lithium-ion tech could enable 1000-mile EV range on one charge

Obsession with one of the least energy efficient and one of the most harmful ways of transportation has to end.

Build a fucking train.

nxdefiant ,

I want to go to space

build a train

Grandma fell in the shower

build a train

Why do bad things happen to good people?

build a train

Space train would be incredible though.

veeesix , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program
@veeesix@lemmy.ca avatar

If they were truly concerned, they’d start giving it the funding it deserves.

WhatAmLemmy ,

They’ve tried everything except actually funding NASA, and they’re all outta ideas.

NOTE: China WILL overtake NASA, the same way they are dominating the renewable energy sector — because they invest heavily in science, and they do it early. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand this shit.

DigitalTraveler42 ,

But hey we tried giving a shit load of money to a billionaire space nazi instead!

toiletobserver ,

Won’t someone think of the investors!

assassinatedbyCIA ,

Maybe we need to give more to the space phallus that the other asshole billionaire built. Maybe that’ll fix it.

MadMadBunny ,

You guys male me wanna cry…

MrSpArkle ,

Unfortunately that company is the best hope we have to stay ahead. With their low cost they can monopolize the worldwide launch market(except Russia and China). So that funding, strategically, must continue.

What should also happen is funding spacex competitors, so we stay on the bleeding edge.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Is China staying on the bleeding edge by funding a bunch of private companies?

MrSpArkle ,

China has privately held space companies, yes. They are funding them, yes.

pineapplelover ,

Maybe we should give money to fund education and research instead of banning books and attacking each other.

demesisx ,
@demesisx@infosec.pub avatar

I came here to say exactly this.

Perhaps a space race with China would rekindle the motivation for our money grubbing demagogues to actually fund it.

orclev ,

No, it won’t. They’ll just relocate to China, or maybe a super yacht out in international waters. They’ll continue milking every last cent out of the US until it’s a dead dried up husk of a nation and then they’ll just move to the next one. Their supporters are too stupid to realize where the end of the path they’ve been told to walk is going to take them, and they’d rather blame anyone else but themselves for all the problems they face. So no, a space race with China won’t fix shit.

demesisx ,
@demesisx@programming.dev avatar

Judging by the state of the US, you’re much more likely to be right than I am, you cynical bastard!

😂

FartsWithAnAccent , (edited )
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

That goes double for our educational system, which has been aggressively gutted by the GOP: People aren’t just born engineers and scientists. These greedy assholes have doomed us as a country.

EDIT: GOP stands for Grand Old Party, which is the Republican party in the United States.

Also to whoever asked and deleted their comment: There’s nothing wrong with asking questions when you don’t know what something means or otherwise want clarification.

ChicoSuave ,

So expect a big increase in private space missions

Morcyphr ,

Yeah, but Israel /s

pekos , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program

So this is the power of diversity

Fudoshin ,
@Fudoshin@feddit.uk avatar

What? Your comment doesn’t even make sense!

FartsWithAnAccent ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

This is the power of not funding your space program and actively destroying your own educational system, which is where things like engineers and scientists come from in the first place.

irmoz ,

Are you trying to say NASA hires “too many women, LGBTs and brown people”, and that this is holding them back?

Is there something about straight, white cis males that makes them better at rocket science?

pekos ,

I don’t believe in racial science and “superiority”, however I refer to hiring based on only merit and not just for the sake of fulfilling a diversity quota. The tech industry has suffered enough because of this.

Warl0k3 ,

You don’t happen to have any numbers to back that up, by chance? Because you’re sure saying all the right things to make it sound like you’ve been wildly mislead about hiring diversity laws, and if we know what specific flavor of kool-aid you’ve been peddled we might be able to clear up the wild misconceptions / blatant lies

TakiMinase ,

Well, Braun was a Nazi…

aew360 , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program

This is a good thing. Competition with the USSR made NASA what it is.

FartsWithAnAccent ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

Only if the US actually competes. Given the fuckwits in congress, that is far from assured.

unphazed ,

“Can you give me one bill…”

FartsWithAnAccent , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

Gee whiz, maybe we should have been properly funding our space program all of these years instead of wasting it on making the military industrial complex filthy fucking rich and the world less secure overall?

bionicjoey ,

Especially stupid considering last time they gave the space program appropriate funding, it led to a lot of advancements that the military industrial complex could use.

FartsWithAnAccent ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

Nonsense, surely their shortsightedness will pay off in the long run!

Windex007 ,

You make it sound like the military advancements were an unexpected byproduct, as opposed to the real goal.

bionicjoey ,

The goal was optics. Kennedy didn’t know what advances would result from Apollo. He wanted to show that the US was better at science and technology than Russia.

Windex007 ,

The science of putting a ballistic payload anywhere, including heaven.

The space race was awesome because it let the two countries measure their dicks (specifically their military dicks) without actually obliterating the planet.

The “for all mankind” angle was a great way to frame things for the population of Earth, for sure. But just like mobile chemical WMD labs in Iraq, sometimes the given justification and actual justification are two different things.

Don’t get me wrong, there absolutely were beneficial optics. Something doesn’t have to just be for one thing. But it was always primarily about practical demonstration of weapons capacity under the facade of human exploration.

bionicjoey ,

The dick measuring is what I was referring to by “optics”.

Windex007 ,

My B!

redfox ,

I don’t disagree, but has anyone found corroborating evidence or documentation, past speculation and reasonable assumption?

Windex007 ,

No, I don’t think anyone has definitely proven that George W Bush and Colin Powell KNEW that the WMD claims in Iraq were bullshit when they were presenting them as the primary justification for the war.

It’s just the nature of the beast.

redfox ,

Ha, I was actually taking about the space program, but same for the invasion. Although, I feel like more people have come forward about the invasion being BS than early space program stuff.

ChicoSuave ,

People behind the scenes are siphoning NASA space research money and turning it into space profit instead. The growth of private space companies starting in the US is no coincidence. Blame oligarchs for steering the country into a dead end.

FartsWithAnAccent ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t worry, I do.

Jarix ,

Hate on spacex and its competitors as much as you want, im not saying you dont have cause.

But defunding NASA caused this. Those billionaires looked and said holy shit, the entire nasa budget is only that much? And they arent building rockets anymore? I can literally fund my own space program? Ide be crazy not to

TurtleJoe ,
@TurtleJoe@lemmy.world avatar

The government has funded SpaceX, not musk.

grue , (edited )

To be fair, it’s not as if those things are mutually-exclusive. For example, you know how the Hubble Space Telescope is this extremely unique and nigh-irreplaceable scientific instrument that cost a pretty big fraction of NASA’s entire budget?

Well, it turns out we actually have dozens of the damn things; it’s just that we couldn’t be bothered to actually point more than one of them away from Earth instead of towards it.

Hell, a decade ago the National Reconnaissance Office https://www.space.com/16000-spy-satellites-space-telescopes-nasa.html 'cause they just had 'em lying around, but (as far as I know) NASA hasn’t managed to scrounge up enough money from the couch cushions to spruce 'em up and launch 'em yet.

FartsWithAnAccent ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

They certainly don’t have to be, but there is a well established pattern of the US government getting waaay too chummy with corporations to the point that it can undermine what’s best for the people in pursuit of corporate interests.

RobotToaster , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program
@RobotToaster@mander.xyz avatar

NASA and all it’s bureaucracy was overtaken by private corps years ago.

phoneymouse ,

Privatization was NASA’s strategy. They actually oversee the distribution of funds to private companies. Space X is paid out of NASA’s budget.

zarathustra0 , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program
lemmus , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program
@lemmus@lemmy.world avatar

Choosing Musk and SpaceX for Artemis is likely NASAs biggest mistake.

ChicoSuave ,

It was always part of Musk’s plan to cripple NASA funding and pump that money into SpaceX.

MrSpArkle ,

If you look at the Artemis mission and think starship is the weakest part of the plan, you are simply not being objective.

gaifux ,

NASA is a fraud. Musk is just the latest goofy face of govt black projects. Keyfabe

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

SpaceX has launched more successful missions this year than every other space agency put together.

Fuck Musk and all that, but if you’re posting this bullshit, you have Musk derangement syndrome.

cole ,
@cole@lemdro.id avatar

for real. and starship is an awesome program

PrincessLeiasCat ,

At least for ISS, the choice is either Musk or Putin.

I don’t know which one is worse, especially considering Musk is aiding Putin via Starlink in Ukraine.

Ukraine claims Russian forces using Musk’s Starlink in occupied areas

But as someone who works in the industry, it is a bleak outlook. NASA absolutely needs more funding for its human spaceflight exploration, Earth Science, robotic exploration, and astronomy/astrophysics.

Gazumi , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program

Who would have imagined that decades of funding cuts and pressure to rely upon Musk would allow another nation to take the lead? (Sarcasm)

rab , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program
@rab@lemmy.ca avatar

While US youth are rotting their brains via china’s tiktok, Chinese youth are actually learning about science and other useful skills. Of course this is going to happen

TakiMinase ,

Best summary.

rab ,
@rab@lemmy.ca avatar

We’re in the second cold war right now and nobody is talking about it. How is tiktok still on the app stores?

TakiMinase ,

Someones getting paid.

rab ,
@rab@lemmy.ca avatar

It’s so obvious.

RageAgainstTheRich ,

Wait. This is a joke right? You really think all youth in america is just messing around on tiktok (yeah just forget facebook, twitter, myspace, instagram and whatever other social media we’ve had) and ALL youth in china is doing science?

rab ,
@rab@lemmy.ca avatar

No but I do believe this is the intended purpose of tiktok

mlg , to technology in US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China's space program
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

So they had no issue relying on Russia to service the ISS ever since they shutdown the space shuttle, but now they’re afraid of China… doing space science faster?

Ignoring the fact that this is not even a real concern, maybe don’t spend morbillions on free munitions for Israel or Lockheed’s next stupid idea.

They defunded NASA so hard that they started hallucinating about going back to the moon with 15% of the Apollo budget.

PrincessLeiasCat ,

At the time, Russia wasn’t as……problematic. We had been working with Russia as an International Partner since the very early days of ISS and even during Shuttle/Mir.

Obviously they did become problematic, but we didn’t have other options until SpaceX. Now that’s….obviously got its own issues, but Russia is vastly different than China when it comes to space. Russia needs the money, China already has it.

N00dle ,
@N00dle@lemmy.world avatar

The fact that NASA had to rely on Roscosmos in the first place is shameful. It highlights long standing issues facing the space program. I think some of these problems trace back to the cost of the ISS. It’s been hard to convey the importance and investment into the future the station provides.

For China their station provides proof of concept that they can achieve similar results one day both to themselves and the world watching.

N00dle ,
@N00dle@lemmy.world avatar

The amount of money spent on Apollo was insane. A reduced budget should have been sufficient. It’s just been weighted down by shit cost-plus contracts and the abomination that is SLS.

The fear of China here is that they are basically single handedly their closest competitor. They’re the only other nation thats managed a Mars Rover landing, building space station, and have their own plans for Moon and Mars with taikonauts( astronaut equivalent) on the ground in the future.

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