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Akasazh , to technology in A hidden deposit of lithium in a US lake could power 375 million EVs
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

I’m now convinced this lake tastes like old school 7Up

grayman , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic

Horse shit.

Sandvine still released traffic reports. So does Cable Labs.

Maybe attempted connections, but not volume / tonnage / bytes.

dag__ ,

Okay, bot. I believe it, doesn’t surprise me at all. Lemmy is also full of bots.

zzx ,

I’m a bot

Viking_Hippie , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic

100% on Twitter, 150% on Facebook. Or maybe the other way around 🤷

shadowspirit ,

Was scrolling through Facebook as I still use it to keep in touch with family. 20 sponsored posts for every one actual post. Facebook is terrible.

OminousOrange ,
@OminousOrange@lemmy.ca avatar

I just went on my annual visit. I’m not sure if it was ublock or what, but it was actually a fairly pleasant experience with no ‘sponsored’ content. Reminded me of the Facebook of old. Accessed through the browser, of course. I don’t want that cancerous app on my phone.

shadowspirit ,

I am on mobile. I’ll try desktop!

OminousOrange ,
@OminousOrange@lemmy.ca avatar

I was on mobile too, just on Firefox with ublock.

shadowspirit ,

I caught that after I replied. Firefox with ublock is now my default android browser. You’re right…going into feed mode to see posts chronologically with ad block is the Facebook of old. Thanks for the tip.

dreamer ,

How are you about to do that on Facebook? I can’t even sign up without it asking for my ID

sanguine_artichoke ,
@sanguine_artichoke@midwest.social avatar

I had an account for about 10 years which I never used at first, then a fair bit for 3-4 years, linked it to Instagram and WhatsApp. Then I didn’t sign into Facebook for 2-3 years and when I tried, despite having the same email and using the linked IG accounts, they demanded my drivers license. Uh, no way in hell I’ll ever do that, so guess I’m not signing into stupid Facebook. Not sure who the hell they think they are or why they believe I’d consider their awful website so important as to send them my ID.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t sign into Facebook for 2-3 years and when I tried, despite having the same email and using the linked IG accounts, they demanded my drivers license. Uh, no way in hell I’ll ever do that, so guess I’m not signing into stupid Facebook.

Curious if you give Discord your phone number?

sanguine_artichoke ,
@sanguine_artichoke@midwest.social avatar

I haven’t used discord but I’m sure I’ve supplied plenty of personally identifiable information to other companies.

dreamer ,

I don’t but I am aware that it can be used to identify you, as well as from other people if they give open access to their contacts. They only have my email.

sennheisenberg , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic

“73% of web traffic” does not mean 73% of comments, posts, content, etc.

indepndnt ,

It amazes me when I spin up some random server on a cloud provider and it’s immediately getting tons of traffic from bots searching for insecure ssh servers and default WordPress admin credentials and then like. If that’s the short of stuff they’re counting, I’d believe it. But yeah, it’s not like all the commenters on this post are bots.

Enigma28 ,

Yeah we had a presentation at work from AWS , they said expect all ports and protocols on any aws server you spin up to be scanned in less than 1min of any instance being created

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

But yeah, it’s not like all the commenters on this post are bots.

What percentage would you guess that are bots as commenters?

indepndnt ,

That’s a good question, I doubt I could make a very accurate guess. Just broadly though, based mainly on the lack of an immediately obvious payoff, I’d guess less than 50%.

CodexArcanum , to technology in A hidden deposit of lithium in a US lake could power 375 million EVs

There’s a cool old documentary about the place called Plagues and Pleasures on the Salton Sea, narrated by John Waters. It goes into the history of the place and shows a little of how dilapidated and decayed it now is (well, now was, when it came out in 2006).

It tries to livin up the modern day stuff by showing some of the “colorful” characters who lived there. I have to imagine there was a lot not being said, and I’m sure 20 years of further decay have not made it the friendliest and funnest place to be.

Edit to add: Apparently some enterprising soul has uploaded it to YouTube: youtu.be/8TjGAWxL23c

mongooseofrevenge ,

In the last year or so I heard about how the water level is dropping due to drought which is concentrating all the pollutants in the lake. It’s also becoming l so saline that the few species living in the lake are dying and washing up on shore. Then the high winds are blowing around extra salty sand combined with dead carcass particles so it’s actually a breathing hazard to be around. This is also combined with the runoff of pesticides from the farms to the north that also polite the water. So it sounds like a great place to hang out!

TunaCowboy ,

In the last year or so

It’s been like that for decades. I was there about twenty years ago, the stench was gag inducing, and there’s no getting used to it. The banks in every spot I visited were made up of rotting marine life 12 - 18 inches deep.

psychothumbs , to technology in A hidden deposit of lithium in a US lake could power 375 million EVs

It’s so funny seeing the people trying to fearmonger about not having enough lithium and other minerals for electric vehicles.

capital ,

NIMBYS will make it like pulling teeth to actually get our hands on it.

auf , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic
@auf@lemmy.ml avatar

The fact that this post is by a bot makes it sound so ironic

designatedhacker ,

The headline stat is a misinterpretation of the study which was done by Arkose Labs which “provides businesses with lasting bot prevention and account security by sapping the financial motivations of cybercriminals.”

That’s pretty vague but skimming it sounds like they prevent automated account creation and takeover. The stat comes from the companies they have access to (who need bot protection enough to pay for it), and 76% of activity on the login/account creation was malicious. That makes a lot more sense. All the various hacks and credential leaks result in bots banging in stolen credentials on high value sites.

jdeath ,

Arkose does log-in protection for Roblox (and others but that’s the one I’m familiar with) where the user has to do something like rotate a picture before logging in.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

The headline stat is a misinterpretation of the study

and 76% of activity on the login/account creation was malicious.

Are you assuming though that that’s 76%, once they’ve created an account, would do no fuether interaction with the Internet after that?

I’m not sure of the point that you’re trying to make?

Syrc ,

Well, I mean, if a bot protection company found malicious activity in account creation, I’m assuming they stopped the account from completing it…?

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

I’m assuming they stopped the account from completing it…?

They could have let it continue to monitor it, in a honey-pot sort of way, to learn more about the bot, and it’s network.

But I was asking towards intent, not success. Why would people have bots create accounts and then do absolutely nothing with those accounts afterwards?

Syrc ,

I mean, that commenter said the headline was a misinterpretation because it’s not 73% of web traffic, but only account creation attempts.

If the attempts are stopped, and the bot fails in creating an account, it isn’t able to post/comment/do whatever it needed to do, and isn’t contributing to “web traffic” as much as the other 27% of real people (or, well, uncaught bots).

designatedhacker ,

You think these bots are streaming movies and music? 73% of Internet traffic is not bots. It’s all YouTube, Netflix, Insta, TikTok, Spotify, etc media consumption. 73% of login traffic may be bots, but it’s a teeny drop of global traffic.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

73% of login traffic may be bots, but it’s a teeny drop of global traffic.

So you are assuming they’re just logging in and not doing anything else, yes?

That there are no bots that (for example) watch YouTube videos and then gives them a like up or down, depending how they’ve been paid to do so, etc?

RizzRustbolt , to technology in A hidden deposit of lithium in a US lake could power 375 million EVs

Stay away from my lithium carbonate!

Gregorech , to technology in A hidden deposit of lithium in a US lake could power 375 million EVs

Lake is a stretch, Salton Sea for anyone that was curious.

Ashyr ,

Are you saying it’s too big to be called a lake?

Gregorech ,

It’s a shallow salt water puddle, created by accident. It’s a lake, it’s an inland sea, it’s toxic.

It also look like a big penis from space.

Burn_The_Right ,

You call that big? Pffft

Gregorech ,

Size aside I’m not wrong.

RGB3x3 , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic

No I’m not!

Daxtron2 ,

No I’m… Doesn’t…

tsonfeir , to technology in A hidden deposit of lithium in a US lake could power 375 million EVs
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

US is suddenly not interested in Ukraine

lolcatnip , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic

So the same as snail mail and phone calls?

ThePrivacyPolicy ,

I recently switched cell providers to save a pile of money, but the new one doesn’t have call control like the old did. 100% of my calls over the last two weeks were spam calls. I keep telling myself the savings are worth it, but my God it’s annoying.

banneryear1868 , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic

Soon there will be content created and consumed entirely by generative “ai,” an almost shadow-culture.

onlinepersona ,

They’ll have memes beyond our understanding!

banneryear1868 ,
onlinepersona ,

Prophetic.

arandomthought , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic

Holy shit, thinking of all the resources that are just wasted for this shit… Imagine you could just slash all web infrastructures by two thirds.

JDubbleu ,

I really hate the phrase “bots” because it gives the appearance that they’re all useless and malicious. I guarantee you they lumped in the following extremely valid uses of “bots”:

  • Automated personal scripts that many programmers use, these are technically bots. Hell, I use a “bot” to auto-clip digital Safeway coupons
  • Moderation bots on sites like Lemmy/Reddit
  • Archive efforts

Are AI chatbots bots? If they use a loose enough definition all this means is humans utilize fuck tons of automation over the Internet, both programmers and not.

Riccosuave ,
@Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

I use a “bot” to auto-clip digital Safeway coupons

How?

Decoy321 ,

They go, “hey bot, would you please clip me some Safeway coupons?”

Then the bot goes and gets their little bot scissors and their bot newspaper, then clips up some coupons and hands them to OP.

It’s a pretty endearing sight.

Tattorack ,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

“Father, what is my purpose?”

“You clip coupons.”

“… Oh my god…”

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Then the bot goes and gets their little bot scissors

But digitally.

and their bot newspaper,

But digitally.

then clips up some coupons

But digitally.

and hands them to OP.

But digitally.

They said we’d all be living in a VR world by now back in the 90s!

Viking_Hippie ,

I had some good times with your mom last night. But digitally.

JDubbleu ,

TamperMonkey (I’ve been told to use ViolentMonkey instead as TamperMonkey isn’t open source) and the script here. Then you can run a script to periodically log into your account in a headless browser and click the button. Unfortunately there’s no coupon API so this is the best solution I could think of.

Riccosuave ,
@Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you for giving the first real answer. As funny as the others were, I was in fact looking for a legitimate understanding of how to do this 🙃

Eheran ,

Why do you think that such bots cause a relevant amount of traffic?

JDubbleu ,

Because they’re used absolutely everywhere, and often back large portions of Internet infrastructure. I’m a backend developer and we have thousands of “bots” running at any given time to keep our systems going. They generate traffic equivalent to thousands of people and are maintained by a 3 person dev team. This is for a relatively small company. When I was at AWS the scale was much more unfathomable.

Touching_Grass ,

Tech journalism is fucking garbage. Its always trying to tell me what to think rather than present legit unbiased information. It seems to get worse every year as if these journalist have a hate on for the tech they write about

jaybone ,

I use a bot to convert source code into executable binaries.

arandomthought ,

That’s a very good point, thanks!

fmstrat ,

Not really, as with many others the headline is sensationalist. It’s missing the “… on login page attempts for sites that pay for and or use bot protection services.”

arandomthought ,

That’s very good to know and makes the situation a lot less bleak. Thank you for the additional context!

fmstrat ,

NP, this article was also posted by a bot, so… You know.

paddirn , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic

More evidence for the Dead Internet Theory

3TH4Li4 ,
@3TH4Li4@feddit.ch avatar

Not yet but soon it will be

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Death by a thousand cuts bot/shill posts.

qooqie ,

I don’t necessarily think it’s a bad thing if people were good, but it can easily be abused as we’ve seen with election manipulation.

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