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praise_idleness , to lemmyshitpost in Let π = 5

obviously it’s inflation index

Evilsandwichman , to science_memes in Let π = 5

They’re rounding down

gbzm , to lemmyshitpost in Let π = 5

I think I just got it! Pi is very close to 5 dB (~4.9714 dB)

visc , to lemmyshitpost in Let π = 5

That just means the curvature of spacetime is negative.

HeChomk , to lemmyshitpost in Let π = 5

The answer is substantially different though. 3141 units (rounded correctly) vs 5000. That’s a significant margin that even working it out in your head is not forgiving enough to cover.

Unless I fucked up.

WamGams , to linuxmemes in Hey you, you wanna install Linux?

Had a computer that had 16gigs of ram when we first bought it but after a windows reset only shows 8gigs. Was told 8 gigs probably got burned and will need to replace motherboard.

What version of Linux should I install on this machine after my wife gets her own new machine?

mexicancartel ,

Linux 0.71.1

WamGams ,

Would Mint be good? Somebody told me its the most like AndroidOS and works well with touch screen.

mexicancartel ,

Well i was joking previously. But Mint should be great and before installing you can play around in live usb and check if everything works well

WamGams ,

Thanks. I just gotta get my wife to hurry up and buy her own thing.

Darkrai ,

You can try making a virtual machine with a 20 GB virtual hard drive to try out different Linux distros in the meantime.

WamGams ,

Thanks. I will look into learning how to do this.

Dalaeance , (edited )

To make things simpler in the long run, I recommend looking into using Ventoy on a thumb drive, if you’d like to just try out various versions of Linux without installing anything. There are handy guides on YouTube.

mexicancartel ,

You still can make a live USB and check if everything works and play around. Just don’t proceed with installation wizard. But remember since its live mode things you save there will not exist(by default) after reboot. Yes you can run linux without installing

WamGams ,

Good to know. Thank you.

I have a proton account so I can just save the files there.

mexicancartel ,

Well that also applies to settings and everything. Its a test environment which have temporary storage till reboot. Even apps you install may not exist. But there is some way that you can make the live environment save changes though, someone else has already suggested you ventoy

melpomenesclevage ,

try cinnamon with mint on a ‘live USB’ so you can try before installing. and see if your ram is broken, or if windows is fucking you for cheaping out on the license.

andrew_bidlaw ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Mint comes in three editions - or with three different Desktop Environments. Think of it like alternative launchers\skins on Android, but more influential on how things work. I believe, some can be better with touchscreens than others out of the box. I’d suggest you to start with a Cinnamon version since it looks more modern and pretty, and with a higher probability of having touchscreen gestures and stuff. All of them are close to Windows in visual design. And since it’s Linux, many things can be added or edited afterwards, and be sure someone alresdy asked your question on the web (:

AVincentInSpace ,

Okay. The first thing you should understand as a new Linux user is that Linux is fairly modular, and that, apart from what configurations are officially supported and who is in charge of deciding when to publish software updates for you to install, which distribution you choose doesn’t really matter. The desktop environment, not the distro, is what determines the look and feel of a Linux install, and you can install whatever desktop environment you want on whatever distro you want (although installing a desktop environment that your USB image didn’t come with, in my experience, comes with varying degrees of rough edges depending on the distro – if you install both GNOME and KDE, for example, you’ll get two subtly different versions of every single system program showing up in your start menu). In fact, if you like, you can install multiple different desktop environments on the same computer and you’ll be asked to pick one each time you log in. Many distros, including Mint, come in multiple “flavors”, each with a different desktop environment preinstalled and configured out of the box. In fact, some distros targeted towards slightly more advanced users, such as Arch and Gentoo, do not ship with a desktop environment at all – you’ll simply boot up to a full screen command prompt until and unless you install one yourself.

Linux Mint is one of the few distros I’d still feel comfortable recommending to a novice (do not get me started on how far Ubuntu has fallen since its glory days), although I’d also suggest you give Manjaro a look.

The two major players in the Linux desktop environment space are GNOME and KDE Plasma, although there are many other desktop environments and window managers available. (The difference between the two is that a desktop environment is a window manager that comes bundled with a bunch of other goodies, like a wallpaper engine, settings app, software store (these are usually just more user-friendly ways of interacting with your distro’s built-in package manager without having to use the command line), file manager, text editor, menus for connecting to Wi-Fi and Bluetooth devices, etc., which you’d have to supply yourself if you went with a standalone window manager. For this reason, and many others, standalone window managers are generally targeted towards people who are either serious about customization and getting their system to work exactly the way they like, or have much older/lower-end computers that aren’t fast enough run a full-fat modern desktop environment, so for the novice user coming from Windows I’d recommend going with a premade desktop environment). Further, most of the premade desktop environments besides those two, such as LXDE, are only available for X11 instead of Wayland. The short version is that Wayland has support for more modern features, such as HDR color support, and better security (with X11, any application with at least one background window open can record the entire screen as well as all mouse input and keystrokes, including passwords – with Wayland, applications only have keyboard input when they’re focused, and can only record the screen when explicitly granted permission, among other improvements). It’s recommended to not use X11 unless you have a compelling reason to do so, such as running one of those older desktop environments, or just really wanting to play around with some of the sillier features of xrandr, such as rotating your monitor by an arbitrary number of degrees.

The GNOME desktop environment (correctly pronounced “guh-nome”) is what you were probably hearing about when you were told Mint is similar to Android. Admittedly I do not have much experience with GNOME – I’d strongly encourage you to go look up reviews of both on YouTube etc. – but I’ll do my best. There’s a tray of commonly used apps on the side which you can pull open to a grid of apps akin to the Android launcher. GNOME seeks to be minimalist and focused on productivity – there are no desktop icons, for example, and no start menu. Instead, you can can press the Windows key (which Linux users call the Super key) to open an Android-style application launcher. There are also keyboard commands you can learn for moving windows around, maximizing and minimizing them, switching between virtual desktops, etc. The interface is also designed for tablets, and by default, windows only have a close button, no maximize or minimize. It will likely feel very alien if you are coming from Windows or MacOS, but depending on what you like and how willing you are to learn stuff that might make you more efficient, that might not necessarily be a bad thing.

On to KDE Plasma. (KDE is the name of the company and Plasma is the desktop environment they make, although you’ll often hear people refer to the desktop environment simply as KDE. The company has also made some other fantastic software such as Krita, an open source digital painting program that people mention in the same breath as Photoshop, and Kdenlive, an open source video editing program.) I personally am a devoted KDE Plasma user and am a huge fan of it. Out of the box, it looks and feels more or less like Windows 7, with the familiar start menu, taskbar, and system tray in the bottom right next to the clock. Desktop icons are as they are on Windows, although your primary method of launching applications is through the start menu. Longtime users of Windows 10, for example, should feel right at home, although the headlining feature of KDE is its customizability. Not only can you reposition the taskbar on the top, bottom, or sides of the screen, you can have more than one (e.g. thin MacOS style system bar at the top of the screen and Windows style taskbar at the bottom), you can reorder the series of widgets (e.g. move the system tray to the left side, or get rid of the clock altogether, or replace it with one that shows the time in words, e.g. “Quarter past one”), you can pin different programs to the taskbars on your different monitors if for some reason you want to do that, etc. You can also (like in Windows) explore a wide variety of themes, plus download more community-created ones from Plasma’s built-in theme store. Or you can do what I do and stick with the defaults. KDE also has some very cool smartphone integration, allowing notifications from both PC and phone to be displayed on the other, allow phone to be used as a remote keyboard and mouse for PC, open a webpage that’s open on either on the other iOS style, etc. Honestly, the longer I use this desktop environment the more impressed I am with it.

As for trying out Linux before you buy, so to speak (or more accurately, before you commit to installing it on your computer), one incredibly neat feature Linux has that no other OS I’m aware of does is the ability to be run off of a flash drive in a so-called “live installer environment”. Essentially, when you boot off of a flash drive to install Linux, there’s a full soup-to-nuts copy of Linux right there, and if you just close out of the installer, you can play around in it, explore the desktop environment, install programs to test out how they work, etc., all without touching your hard drive. The catch is that it does this by taking a portion of your RAM and treating it as a temporary hard drive, meaning if a program (like a Steam game) requires more disk space than you have RAM, you won’t be able to install it in the live mode (unless you install it to an HDD/SSD that Linux can read), and any data created that you don’t explicitly save to an HDD, SSD, or flash drive of some sort will be lost on power off. One upshot of this is that if you decide you don’t like the Linux distro you’ve chosen, or Linux in general, you can simply unplug the flash drive and restart your computer, and Linux will leave no trace that it was ever there.

A common thing to do is to install Linux alongside Windows in a dual boot configuration. Essentially, what this means is that you’ll carve out a portion of the total space of your C: drive for permanent use by Linux (or, alternatively, put a second SSD in your computer and install Linux to that), and each time you restart your computer you’ll be presented with a menu asking which operating system you want to boot. From the perspective of any websites you visit or applications you install they’ll be two totally separate computers. Linux will be able to access files saved to your Windows partition but not, in most cases, vice versa. Any copying of data between the two must be done from Linux. (There is a project called WinBtrfs which apparently allows Windows to access Linux partitions that were formatted with Btrfs instead of Ext4 when they were created, although I have not had a chance to try this myself.) If you’re apprehensive about making sweeping changes to your computer, like shrinking your Windows partition and installing a whole new bootloader, you can go the virtual machine route, although keep in mind that any OS running in a virtual machine, especially on Windows, will not be nearly as performant as one running on real hardware!

Thanks for reading my wall of text. If you have any other questions please feel free to ask!

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks for reading my wall of text.

Moar paragraphs are your friends.

KrapKake ,

Mint is good but if you want the best touch screen support with gestures and an automatic on screen keyboard, you will want a distro that is using the gnome desktop environment (it is also android-like). Well known distros that come with this are Fedora Workstation, ZorinOS, and Ubuntu.

WamGams ,

Interesting. I thought Mint was a version of Ubuntu.

ReveredOxygen ,
@ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works avatar

It’s a (better IMO) derivative of Ubuntu, but it uses the Mint desktop environment by default while Ubuntu uses Gnome. To a casual user, most distros are pretty similar other than their defaults. Those defaults aren’t even particularly hard to change. For example, switching mint to Gnome is one command and a couple GUI clicks: itsfoss.com/install-gnome-linux-mint/

melpomenesclevage ,

its a fork of, downstream, tears out a bunch of the annoying shit and has different ux.

KrapKake ,

It’s based on it yes, but they use different desktop environments. The desktop mint uses is called Cinnamon.

melpomenesclevage ,

…burned out?

lots of versions of windows limit the amount of memory they recognize.

WamGams ,

We had an overheating issue and couldn’t restore so we had to do a reset and once that happened our system information said we had 8 gigs less than we had before the reset.

A buddy of mine said he thinks the slot connection died from the overheating.

melpomenesclevage ,

oh yeah that could happen, but just to be sure…

RickAstleyfounddead ,

I can’t just imagine replacing the whole motherboard for a fking ram module Soldered for a reason🙂

ray , to lemmyshitpost in Let π = 5

π = 5 if you round to the nearest 5

southsamurai , to linuxmemes in It's so similarly pronounced to the SI prefix that it can also be 1000 Manjaros
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

They aren’t pronounced the same? I’ve never heard the distro’s name spoken

Molten_Moron ,

The joke is that Kilimanjaro is pronounced similar to ‘Kilomanjaro’, which would be 1000 Manjaros.

southsamurai ,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

Ahhh, my brain just farted on that one. It’s obvious once you tell me lol

anticurrent , to linuxmemes in It's so similarly pronounced to the SI prefix that it can also be 1000 Manjaros

Confidently saying Kali-Manjaro linux

BunnyKnuckles , (edited ) to linuxmemes in It's so similarly pronounced to the SI prefix that it can also be 1000 Manjaros
@BunnyKnuckles@startrek.website avatar

I pronounce it like a Spanish word in my head. Man-haro.

NeatNit , to linuxmemes in Hey you, you wanna install Linux?

I’ve never seen this meme format before. Wasn’t too hard to find but there were alarmingly few results. Here’s an unedited copy: pin.it/4IDvvJwNb

I think what I’m trying to say is: where are you getting your memes? What should I make of this obscurity?

RustyEarthfire ,

Possibly from here: lemmy.world/post/14481959

AnarchistArtificer ,

Truly cutting edge stuff, we’re on the forefront of culture here on Lemmy.

oo1 , to linuxmemes in Hey you, you wanna install Linux?

I don't do anything if it's not shiny and made by apple

fakeman_pretendname ,

That’s okay, you can still install Linux on Apple computers 👍

possiblylinux127 , to linuxmemes in Hey you, you wanna install Linux?

2012 flashbacks

Kolanaki , to funny in *flips setting from Busy back to Online on Teams*
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I fake laugh everyday for ten minutes, so that when I die and relive life’s little moments, all I see are happy times.

Ain’t that the fucking saddest thing you ever heard? I’m sitting in an empty room, laughing my ass off to trick my dead self into thinking I had a good life.

soloner ,

Are you doing ok?

voracitude ,

It’s a reference to a comedy sketch show called I Think You Should Leave. It’s really funny in a fever dream sort of way. Can’t find the clip they’re referring to but this’ll give you an idea at least: www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Bfkc6lZok

fossphi ,

But are you doing okay?

voracitude ,

Pretty alright, thanks for asking! Couple of frustrations early in the day, but smooth sailing now. How about you?

fossphi ,

Barely hanging in there! But it’s alright, I don’t think things are that bad. I’m just a doomer, maybe

topherclay ,

Life’s a fucking funny thing.

MrJameGumb ,
@MrJameGumb@lemmy.world avatar

I know what you mean… I found a guy who looks just like Dave who can take huge dumps so that people would think Dave was taking huge dumps. Why? Ultimately I guess I wanted people to think Dave was taking huge embarrassing dumps. If I had to come up with a reason that would be it, and honestly that might be IT!

brbposting ,
Amanduh ,

I felt cool knowing where this was from thanks

RegalPotoo , to science_memes in Or we could do metric time
@RegalPotoo@lemmy.world avatar

As a software dev who has lost weeks of his life dealing with timezones, leap days, daylight savings time, date math and other associated nonsense I fully support this being the way the world is. I don’t want to go through the transition to get there though

lugal ,

Bad news: this has nothing to do with timezones, leap days nor daylight saving time. Honestly, leap days would be worse because they wouldn’t be part of the 7 day week

rockSlayer , (edited )

It’s accounted for just like any other leap year, add it to the end of a month as a universal holiday. Most calendar models make it July 29. It’s also worth noting that this is actually 364 days, and a single day at the end of the year is a universal holiday.

Edit: I think leap years should be at the end of the year too for simplicity.

Flipper ,

That would just be new year. I’ve already have a list ready for how to name all the months, so we don’t fuck it up like September being the 9. Month again.

LeftHandedWave ,

Ooh, tell me what the names would be! Don’t leave me hanging. I HATE that September - December are all off.

felbane ,
  • Firstber
  • Secondary
  • Thurd
  • Quadtober
  • Cincondary
  • Sextember
  • Septober
  • Octuary
  • Nonuary
  • Tenber
  • Postenber
  • Expostenber
  • June
BlackRoseAmongThorns ,

Wheezed at this, thanks

Gork OP ,

Sextember

Nice.

lugal ,

Which breaks “day of week = day modulo 7” if every month starts on Monday and not every month has the same number of days

sukhmel ,

Leap day and new year day are supposed to not be a week day in this system

lugal ,

My point exactly. So the programmer who commented above me is wrong in saying it makes it easier for them

ElderWendigo ,

In this scheme, new years day and leap days are not any day of the week or part of any month. They exist outside of the regular calendar as obvious and explicit resets to the remainder problem.

lugal ,

My point exactly. So the programmer who commented above me is wrong in saying it makes it easier for them

ElderWendigo , (edited )

No, still easier. They are still part of the year, so you can just count them, and the logic is still easier than the mess we currently have. If you really feel the need to you can call new years day the zeroth day in the zeroth month, the day of the week is Holiday, and periodically the zeroth month has one extra Holiday.

lugal ,

Computers store the date as “days after January 1st 1970”. So you have a huge number, divide it with 7 and get the day of the week. If there are days that don’t belong to any week, you have to calculate January 1st of that year and substrate it in addition to the steps above. I don’t say it’s not manageable, but it’s not easier

ElderWendigo ,

They store the number of seconds since the epoch of 1970, but you’re always going to have leap days and even leap seconds. Even if you changed the definition of a second to match the current length of a year, it would be off again relatively soon and you’d need leap seconds again. It’s NEVER going to be as simple as you seem to think it should be. Chaos and complexity is inherent in the whole system.

lugal ,

I never said it was simple. The comment above me was “oh, this makes it much easier” and I was like “it’s not really getting easier”. That’s all I said.

ElderWendigo ,

Yes, I understood. I still disagree for the reasons in all of my previous comments.

lugal ,

Let’s agree to disagree

grue ,

Look, short of changing Earth’s orbit, something’s not gonna line up no matter what you do. Extra-weekly days are as good a compromise as any in my book.

lugal ,

There is also a technological solution, I knew it

MalReynolds ,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

Just make them holidays, everyone works too much anyway, and it’s just getting worse for no reason.

ColeSloth ,

Leap day gets it’s own name outside of saturday through sunday. It’s an all awesome holiday.

lugal ,

… which fucks with the way the day of the week is calculated by computers as I already explained others

ColeSloth ,

Y2k was handled. This can be too.

lugal ,

Didn’t say it’s not manageable, just said it’s not easier

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Developers are the only people against DST changes, just because of how complex it will get. Dear God cities are removing DST! Cities! It means I need to know if you are in or out of a city to know if you need to be shown daylight or standard time!

Just please do it nationally yes or no

Albbi ,

Newfoundland has only just over 500k population and has a nice GMT-2:30 time zone. That’s an extra half hour difference. Many cities are larger so I can see them wanting better time for themselves.

capital ,

Ugh. Any time I need to set up a meeting for IST.

ryannathans ,

Write everything in UTC, cast to local time zone for UIs

Life problems solved

ulterno ,
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

That’s essentially what I did in my recent UI that I made for someone.

  • You want to insert date time
  • Select method: UTC, Time Zone, offset from GMT
  • Enter time
  • I convert it to UTC and send to backend
MotoAsh ,

That… still requires knowing which time zone to display. It doesn’t remove the requirement at all.

ryannathans ,

.localtime(utctime)

MotoAsh ,

and who implements localtime? You realize these functions call down to the system, and the system is very much ALSO written and maintained by coders…

The point is SOMEONE actually does have to implement it and maintain it.

grue ,

Dear God cities are removing DST! Cities! It means I need to know if you are in or out of a city to know if you need to be shown daylight or standard time!

That’s why it’s lucky that identifiers in the tz database are already things like America/New_York instead of “eastern time.”

ben_dover ,

thank you for your service, i usually resort to libraries doing the heavy lifting but even then it’s tough and prone to error

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