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x0chi , to technology in Spotify is raising the cost of Premium subscriptions, again

In the early 90s I used to pay around 10 to 15 euros (20 to 30 with current inflation) for each CD release.

And still we still complain nowadays.

We got a problem with the streaming industry but it’s not the price we pay. We must be reasonable, say that the price is 15 bucks, is that really unreasonable for getting at your fingertips and everywhere most of the music even produced? I don’t.

I think the major problem with Spotify isn’t Spotify problem, but an industry problem. If I remember correctly, Spotify gets around 30%, then there’s the distributor, and it gets around 40%. Whatever’s left of the cake is divided between the label and the artist depending on the contract. The industry created something that didn’t need to exist, another intermediate, the distributor. First apple used them cause of the work they do arranging all the needed metadata and keeping it tidy. The industry created them, now it can’t get rid of them, and they “eat” the most part of the money.

Spez ,

Then why does tidal for the same price as spotify with way less users pay four times as much to the artists than spotify? Spotify has the largest market share and now they are trying to milk the cow as much as they can because people are too lazy to switch. Most people don’t even know that you can transfer playlists. Same with Netflix (although they at least have more exclusive content).

TheOakTree ,

I don’t really like Tidal, but this is why I have stuck with Tidal instead of switching back to Spotify. At least the artists get more money, and I get my higher bitrate. Now it seems that prices are getting even closer to parity, so that’s less of a reason to switch back.

I considered trying Qobuz or Deezer, but I’m too lazy to switch right now.

redcalcium ,

Then why does tidal for the same price as spotify with way less users pay four times as much to the artists than spotify?

I wonder why too. Spotify takes a 30% cut, but even if Tidal takes 0% cuts, how come it can pays 4x as much to artists? There must be more to the math to make it check out.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

Royalties come out of profits.

Profits = revenue - costs.

Inflate costs (pay 3rd parties you also own) and pay less royalties.

At least that’s how the movie business works.

Wahots , to technology in Spotify is raising the cost of Premium subscriptions, again
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I wish we could offload podcasts and audio books. I have zero interest in them, or paying for them.

madcaesar ,

And fucking Joe asshole Rogan. We’re paying for his Neanderthal 150 million contract.

cyberpunk007 OP ,

I like them but not on my music service. It’s in my way all the time. I have audible and I use a different app for podcasts. At least give me the option, but they won’t because I’m sure they get an incentive.

Qwaffle_waffle ,

I use libby via local library for audiobooks.

kamenlady , to technology in Slack has been scanning your messages to train its AI models
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You forgot the most important word from the title:

Yuck

KingThrillgore , to technology in Jack Dorsey claims Bluesky is 'repeating all the mistakes' he made at Twitter
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Biggest mistake he made was allow Twitter to be sold to an idiot

M68040 , to piracy in The Motion Picture Association will work with Congress to start blocking piracy sites in the US
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Am I gonna have to pay for a vpn that actually lets me fake being outside the ‘states? I usually self host on a VM host to avoid incurring expenses, but it seems like that’s not really an option here. Seems like I might have to go for a AWS instance running PiVPN or something.

ccdfa ,

Heads up, pivpn is now unmaintained !

KillingTimeItself ,

you could always engage in something like i2p. Less shit to be found there, but a pretty neat little place on the internet.

FMEEE ,

Use an one € strato instance as Server

GammaGames , to technology in Reddit is licensing its content to Google to help train its AI models

The creative writing communities aren’t happy about it

PeterPoopshit , to technology in Who makes money when AI reads the internet for us?

Definitely not the IT people keeping their ai servers running, that’s for sure.

GigglyBobble ,

TIL IT is volunteer work.

FaceDeer , to technology in Who makes money when AI reads the internet for us?
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Why does everything have to be about money?

dantheclamman OP ,
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Well people who make content are already suffering for a collapse of ad prices. News sites are shutting down left and right. Not everything is about money, but they need revenue or external support to continue operating.

GenderNeutralBro ,

I see the advent of AI browsers much like ad blockers; the web has become increasingly user-hostile and users are pushing back. Advertising was never sustainable, and that has only become more apparent over the past decade. This is a long-overdue comeuppance. The cost of the advertising economy is extraordinary and cannot be measured in mere dollars.

I miss the internet from the 90s, when sites were information-dense and operated mostly as a public service by enthusiasts, usually for free. Of course, that was not sustainable as the Internet became more popular, because the cost of serving a thousand people was, like, couch-cushion money, but the cost of serving billions of people…well, I don’t have millions of couch cushions to plunder.

But also, the cost of web site operation today is artificially high, largely because of advertising and the incentives that an ad-driven market creates. What was once a few KB of text is now many MB of ads, scripts, layouts, and graphics, or even GB of videos, all for the sake of manipulating users into viewing more ads. Commercial sites do not compete on the quality of information; they compete over ad impressions. This was not borne out of need, but out of economic incentives that are misaligned with the needs of society, individuals, and, yes, even content producers.

This isn’t new, of course. I remember the same conversations back in the 90s and early 2000s. First with Sherlock, then later with Google.

FaceDeer ,
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People who make content for money are suffering from a collapse in ad prices. There are people who make content because they enjoy making and sharing content.

Corkyskog ,

That’s not what we’re talking about… we’re talking about news. Real news, with investigative journalism costs money. You need to pay for people to be on the ground, travel expense, etc.

willya ,
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This thought that everything you consume online should be completely free is insane. If everything we consumed online was just someone’s hobby there’d be even more trash.

sin_free_for_00_days ,

There sure was a lot less trash when the web first came to the internet and there weren’t any paid sites. Of course there was a lot less everything.

willya ,
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When it first started there were more smart people using it over dumbasses. What was there that would have even been worth paying for?

1984 ,
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Not everyone creates content to make money. This discussion and this thread is not about making any money, as an example.

So why do we post when there is no monetary gain? Because we enjoy it.

dantheclamman OP ,
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I have a long-running blog for fun, so you’re preaching to the choir. But some things can’t replace a dedicated journalist, particularly at local level, sitting in city council meetings, chasing leads, and interviewing people.

redempt ,

we live under capitalism.

FaceDeer ,
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And yet there are still hobbyists. We only "live under capitalism" to the extent that we have to, people still do things for reasons other than money.

therealjcdenton , to technology in Inside the 'arms race' between YouTube and ad blockers

How can I support the ad blockers?

marco ,
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Teknikal , to technology in Inside the 'arms race' between YouTube and ad blockers

Ads are a genuine real security concern if it became a choice between YouTube and adblockers it’s bye YouTube for me.

Its a battle YouTube isn’t going to win, and to be honest YouTube has never and will never be a viable business their best bets just asking for donations and playing nice to anyone using it.

jol , to technology in Inside the 'arms race' between YouTube and ad blockers

I think this will only end up with YouTube winning. Google has been caution for years, but they can bring the big guns if they see there are no more options. Google is clearly desperate to bring those numbers up and they don’t care if user experience suffers.

First, they can decide to deploy a restrictive CSP that prevents external scripts from running in the page. This would break lots of extension that work on YouTube.

And then they can just enforce DRM like Netflix. This will be horrible for users, cost them more to serve, and potentially break Youtube for older clients. But then ads will be impossible to skip, and downloading videos will because almost impossible.

But if they decide the numbers are worth it, they will do it. But honestly at this point I really don’t care. Will I miss YouTube? Sure. But I rather watch less content on nebula than support this horrible user experience.

Pechente ,

I rather watch less content on nebula than support this horrible user experience.

At this point the majority of channels that I like are on Nebula. You’re right, it won’t be a huge loss.

Crotaro ,

Indeed. It could be a huge win for Nebula, in fact. At least I hope if the users on YouTube lose that a different platform wins and it won’t just be a net loss for users and YT-competitors.

bl4kers ,
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Nebula is a walled garden though. They don’t even have a formal process for applying to be on it. I hear it’s invite only basically

Pechente ,

Yeah that is unfortunate. They will probably never fully replace Youtube until they change drastically. They also serve a niche of interests only. It happens to align with my interests really well but it’s definitely not for everyone.

saigot , (edited )

I don’t think they really have a goal of replacing youtube. I think the end goal is becoming an old school style media production organization, one that is collectively owned and bridges the Gap between social media and Hollywood.

SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT ,

Enforcing DRM has a big downside: it paints a massive target on the DRM implementation, and it will likely end up getting broken.

Bishma , to technology in Microsoft snatches Sam Altman and former OpenAI colleagues to form its own AI research team
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I don’t think it will ultimately be good for the world for MS to gain the amount of market power that is up for grabs in the AI land rush. I have the sinking suspicion that the odds that Sam Altman will be a footnote in history just went way up, and the chances that it’ll be a positive footnote went down.

uphillbothways , to technology in Apple will honor California's 'right to repair' rules nationwide
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They get to sell their parts without having to pay all of the repair people and probably getting out of a certain amount of warranty liability. Win-win-win for them.

SuiXi3D ,
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And people repairing their own stuff is always a good idea. People learning how to maintain their electronics is never a bad thing! Everyone should pick up a soldering iron at some point. :)

uphillbothways ,
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While in complete agreement that it's good the option is there, have definitely interacted with plenty of end users who, for various reasons, really should never.

SuiXi3D ,
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Hey, some people learn from their mistakes. Hell, my first PC build (23 years ago…) was DOA because I had inadvertently bent a pin on the CPU, and it got smashed when I tightened down the cooler. That was an expensive mistake, but one I certainly learned from.

Perfide ,

Thank god PGA is officially dead, finally. My first Ryzen cpu came in the mail with bent pins, I spent fucking hours straightening all of them. Worth it tho, got 5 years of life out of it between me and my brother before it was finally allowed to rest and spend the rest of it’s life on a shelf(it still works, its just slow).

original_reader ,

Not that I fully disagree, just that there’s a reason they didn’t do it before. Probably more profitable to not have repairable devices. Not that they won’t try to make the best of the current situation, as you said.

Also, it would likely be more expensive to produce a line of repairable products just for one state and do different for the others, so this is the best way of spinning this.

masterspace , to technology in British Museum is digitizing its entire collection in response to recent thefts | All of that scanning will cost over $12 million.

Why the fuck is anyone writing an article about $12M dollars?

Do people not understand what rich people make from passive investments? Literally just repurpose a single rich person’s passive investment and you can pay to digitize a library’s worth of artifacts every year for eternity.

Society is absolutely fucked in the head if anyone is allowed to build a yacht without getting crowbarred in the back of the calf while we’re considering whether or not “we can afford to pay” to preserve priceless historical artifacts.

Molecular0079 , to games in NVIDIA's GeForce Now will cost more in Canada and Europe starting in November

More and more I am just like “SELF-HOST ALL THE THINGS”. I’ve been setting up Wake-On-Lan and using Steam Remote Play to satisfy my game streaming needs and it’s better than GeForce Now in many respects. Plus there’s no game limitations.

I get that it isn’t a perfect replacement for those who don’t want to drop the insane amounts of cash on a GPU these days though.

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