They’ll hinge their position on the least good faith interpretation of EU’s anticompetitive lawsuits, and why wouldn’t they, they make more money in between these lawsuits than they pay EU for breaking the rules.
Yes and no. EU told them they need to let other app stores on their devices. Apple did their typical non-compliant song and dance, making devs jump through all kinds of absurd hoops and at the end of it all they still have to pay Apple 26% or something, so basically complete non-compliance. The EU has yet to do anything about it, as far as I can tell.
They also denied Epic’s request, stating that their install button looks too much like Apple’s.
There are a lot of people out there that will not use a website and only use an app for things. I’m willing to bet there’s some users of patreon on ios that don’t even know there is a website.
definitely. i know so many people from my school who’s iphone home screen is just… pages full of apps. we’re talking 40+ apps on average. they always say it’s weird how i use a website for almost everything, and then they complain about their storage space :/
There’s also web push. You can send push notifications straight to someone’s browser, no need for a dedicated app anymore. Not sure if patreon has implemented this, but they could if they wanted to.
Then why do they want app notifications ? It’s even worse than email, all those red squares with numbers and sounds drive me insane, and i can not keep a particular piece of content with me for later re-reading (like i can archive an email). If people just unsubscribe from emails they do not want to receive, and spam those that keep invading, the mail box will be functional in no time, and people can also just create a 2nd email and download a 2nd email app for hobbys and news (several have a gmail and a hotmail at least).
Is it? A native mobile application (not a web view/PWA) will always be massively better as a user experience than anything a website can provide.
People who use apps do so because they’ve learned from experience that an app is far better UX than the website version, and they’re not always right, but they’re not wrong most of the time.
If anything, web apps are the real modernity brainrot.
With a dedicated app, you go into the store and install it and then you have it in your apps that you then can place everywhere.
With a website, you need to have the browser, navigate to that website each time. And yes, you could put a link to that website on your home screen as well but not many user are probably aware of that being an option.
I know that but I still would prefer a dedicated app because it is easier to manage and use more features of my phone. For example, I just tried it on my android phone and the link to a website always opened a new tab in my Firefox.
Then I can manage the notifications of that app depending on what I want it to notify me about.
I can’t do that specifically for a single app or website in a browser.
On the other hand, I also wouldn’t want to miss a website because I am not always on my phone and, in some cases, it is way more annoying to do something over the phone because I am just not used to it (like writing this comment). Doing that over a website version that I can access on my PC is much easier and convenient.
Does this mean Patreon too will have two tiers of billing system: standard billing via the Web and slightly higher prices if done in app. I think if one purchases a YouTube Premium membership in app on iOS, it costs more than when done via the site.
Yes, that’s exactly what they’re doing. If you have a Patreon, you must choose between increasing patreon price on Apple specifically compared to Android and Web, or you can keep the price the same, in which case you will earn less from users using iOS in-app purchase
I would argue Patreon cannot have an app on the App Store as it would cause them to mess up their (and the users’) business models… 30% is huge !!! I am baffled by why they would bend to Apple instead of upgrading their website.
Background play of exclusive podcasts for one thing. I suppose that might be possible in a browser but playing media from a media player app instead of a browser is certainly going to be a better experience.
Every podcast I support on Patreon provides a link that you can plug into your podcatcher to subscribe. I don’t need the Patreon app to listen to the podcast then, just Pocket Casts or whatever I’m using for all my podcasts.
Even the video links are YouTube links.
I don’t doubt that the app makes life easier in some ways, but the website works just fine.
The main shows definitely that is the case for me as well - but there are also Patreon exclusive audio releases that don’t go out on the rss feed for Morning, Somewhere for instance. I also follow shows with exclusive video releases on Patreon that don’t ever go to YouTube and I still get the benefit of a dedicated media app with background play.
This is what, the 3rd attempt Apple has made at “complying” with the 3rd party app store regulations? It’s only been like a year since that’s been going on. I’m sure the EU will be getting back to them about this soon.
By this November, all creators can only offer a subscription-based plan on iOS as the app store doesn’t support other formats, such as first-of-the-month or per-creation plans. As a result, Patreon is rolling out a 16-month-long migration process that will shift all memberships to subscriptions by November 2025. At that point, subscription-based plans will be the only option available, unfortunately proving Apple’s far-reaching power.
I’m unclear on what this means: is Patreon eliminating first-of-the-month and per-creation plans on ALL platforms? Or just on Apple platforms?
Seems like it’s a backend change and they’re removing per creation entirely. Got an email from one of the creators I follow about getting suggestions on how to restructure their tiers for the new system. My guess is it would be tricky to setup a way to have creators do android/web tiers and apple tiers, not to mention confusing. And of course they can’t just pull a Spotify and have a pop-up that says ‘sorry you must use the web to subscribe’ on iPhones.
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