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protist , to til in TIL that in 1972 a 33-year-old Hungarian geologist attacked Michelangelo's Pietà statue in St. Peter's Basilica wielding a geologist's hammer and shouting, "I am Jesus Christ—risen from the dead". Pri

Without knowing anything else about this guy, I’m going to diagnose him with bipolar mania.

SuckMyWang ,

That’s ridiculous, he’s obviously Jesus Christ.

Evil_Shrubbery , to til in TIL that the longest javelin throw was 99.52 meters using a now illegal technique that was considered "out of control". No one has broken this record with modern javelin rules.

I say we bring back team sports - two or more groups throwing javelins at each other.

It can be payed either turn based or in real time.

… now that I think about it, with hammers & some body armour would be even better not as good but still fun.

Etterra ,

All sports would be better if they were full contact - especially golf. Hear me out.

Everybody goes at the same time; you get points for speed instead of number of shots. You can an use your clubs to attack other players, so pads and a helmet are needed. You play in the summer. You’re caddy also brings water and Gatorade. Heat stroke/exhaustion is a DQ.

z00s ,

I agree, and it appears that I am not the only one

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_boxing

wjrii ,

Not exactly on point, but disturbingly close:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja_Golf

corsicanguppy ,

If we throw out the idea that the Games were meant to mark a cessation in hostilities, then let’s not go halfway.

Get the SCA in there with their plastic armour and rattan swords and let’s have 1:1 and M:M combat. I want chariot races. I want simulated boarding actions from ‘ships’. I want a new colosseum built every 4 years and events 24/7 to a roaring crowd punctuated only by the sound of pneumatic t-shirt cannons. When they’re done, use them for death-row criminals in actual gear to fight for PPV for victim compensation. MORTAL COMBAAAAAAAT

KinglyWeevil ,

Full on gladiator combat games is absolutely on my late stage capitalism bingo card. UFC is a baby step on that path.

AbsoluteChicagoDog ,

It’s way more profitable to keep athletes alive and build a brand around them

SkyezOpen ,

Well obviously you rig them so you have someone survive and become popular, but you have to take them out before their 10th fight/race so they don’t earn their freedom.

Spacehooks , to til in TIL that Eminem was offered the lead role in the film "Elysium" but reportedly turned it down, leading director to instead cast Matt Damon.

Like nick cage in lotr

bdonvr , to til in TIL that the longest javelin throw was 99.52 meters using a now illegal technique that was considered "out of control". No one has broken this record with modern javelin rules.

I vote for 200M exclusion circles where the Javelin throwers stand in the middle so they can throw using any method with no outside risk

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@lemmy.world avatar

One thrower inside the circle, another thrower outside the circle. Last man standing. Now I’m paying attention.

gianni , to linux in What file systems are you using on your devices and why?

I’m pretty much all BTRFS at this point

Psyhackological OP ,
@Psyhackological@lemmy.ml avatar

Me too, but why in your case?

gianni ,

Filesystem compression is dope.

taiyang , to til in TIL the Japanese words 青 (ao) and 青い (aoi) can refer to either blue or green depending on the situation.

Yeah, but not really. They have a word for green, midori, which is much more common. I think the aoi thing is more historical, but since Japan has has Western education for close to a decade (and yes, even before WW2 they sent people to US to copy methods), there’s no generation that grew up without green being green.

Anytime it’s used now it’s just a hold over from those older times, and to be fair English has it’s fair share of antiquated words and phrases.

jol ,

You see that in English in names of food like red cabbage and red onions.

watersnipje ,

Indeed, and red cats and red hair are orange.

klemptor , to asklemmy in Greensleeves is almost 500 years old. I'm sure there were other very popular songs when it came out, but Greensleeves had to staying power to still be here. What do you think is today's Greensleeves?
@klemptor@startrek.website avatar

Bohemian Rhapsody

Dearth , to til in TIL the term Redneck likely originated from the sunburned red neck of those working in fields.

I thought it was from union miners wearing red bandanas during fights against Pinkertons

someguy3 OP ,

Looks like use for farmers predates coal miners’ bandanas.

Dagwood222 ,

They took a negative and turned it into a rallying cry.

Same as with “Yankee Doodle.” Yankee was a derogatory term for Americans, because many were of Dutch origin. “Jan” was a popular Dutch name. Doodle mean, well doo-doo.

Funny how some derogatory terms get embraced and others don’t.

Nerd used to be a big insult. So was ‘porn.’

acockworkorange , to til in TIL that in 2014, a photographer tried to copyright a monkey's selfie and sue Wikipedia for it.

Most sane PETA activism.

vormadikter , to lemmyshitpost in Lloyds Bank coprolite is the largest palaeofaeces yet discovered

…and here I am, thinking the biggest piece of shit was Bono…

m.youtube.com/watch?v=hbBrnEU-ZUc

usualsuspect191 , to til in TIL almost all vanilla plants are pollinated by hand.

Man, the word “vanilla” has become so ubiquitous with “plain, unaltered, default” that I was really confused at first.

IrateAnteater , to til in TIL about Swatch Internet Time, a decimal time system that has no time zones.

I feel like trying to switch to this would cause more problems than it would solve. If you switch to this time system, what do you do about all the other units of measure that include a time component? Either everything has to change, or you have to start using two different time systems.

Noodle07 ,

Something something xkcd new standard

onion ,

What sort of cursed units do you use that have dates in them

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Dates? Swatch replaces seconds, minutes, and hours with .beats. Metres per second (used in scientific contexts), minutes per kilometre (used by runners), and kilometres per hour (used in most other contexts) would all be unusable under Swatch time.

onion ,

If we were using beats, it would be meters per .beat I guess. Many physical constants would be different numbers but that’s about it

wjrii ,
@wjrii@kbin.social avatar

...but that’s about it

That's not how people work. You think Americans are stubborn about our customary units? Try damn-near everyone (including many Americans) with SI.

Time in particular is unlikely to be significantly reworked because you can only push the inconsistencies out so far. So you divide the day into a thousand beats. Great. A year is still not an integer number of days, and weeks and months are only loosely based on physical (lunar) phenomena at all.

bdonvr ,

(measure) per (new measure of time)

It would be very inconvenient at first, but it doesn’t change the math.

ArbitraryValue , to til in TIL the USA is the only country to not have ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child

These high-minded treaties don’t actually mean anything - there’s no enforcement mechanism and countries with a much worse human-rights record than the USA have signed them without consequences. IMO it’s better not to sign them than it is to pretend that signing does any good and lend unearned legitimacy to those other countries.

cashews_best_nut OP ,

Ah yes the oft-used American Exceptionalist attitude of “we’re too good to bind ourselves to treaties like this”.

Tale as old as time. It’s why the US isn’t a member of the ICJ and many other international treaties. King’s don’t follow rules - they make them!

originalucifer ,
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acab and the u.s. is the worlds police force for hire. it tracks.

ArbitraryValue ,

The US is a member of the International Court of Justice - every country in the United Nations is. Are you thinking of the International Criminal Court?

Other than that, my answer is “yes but that’s not a bad thing”.

cashews_best_nut OP ,

Why is it a good thing?

ArbitraryValue ,
  1. The actions of an international court will inevitably be political.
  2. The countries that are the worst human rights violators will never voluntary accept the authority of the court.

In that context, why should the USA give other, potentially hostile countries power over itself? It might have been worthwhile if it meant everyone had to follow the rules but in practice it would just give countries opposed to US foreign policy a tool for interfering without giving the US anything useful.

(My general view is that the US has made many very harmful mistakes but the era of American hegemony has still been one of remarkable global peace and prosperity. Like democracy, it’s the worst system except for everything else that has been tried. Now we’re seeing serious challenges to this hegemony and if they succeed, the world will get worse for almost everyone, not just for Americans. So if you think the US does more harm than good, we’re unlikely to come to an agreement.)

Edit: accidentally deleted, reposting.

kugel7c , (edited )

The problem is that we need to for many reasons transition to an international order of democratic cooperation instead of economic and military domination. And if the US can never accept this kind of shared and cooperative approach foreign policy of everyone is going to be forever dragged towards this kind of zero sum bullshit we have at the moment. Even though it’s obvious that foreign policy doesn’t have to be zero sum.

Even if other countries are potentially less honest with their implementation of global treaties, even a relatively slow movement there and maybe a more thorough movement in the US makes everyone better off.

The only way to actually foster a cooperative relationship is to make yourself vulnerable, otherwise it’s just coercion and power not cooperation. And yes if you get hurt too much maybe you’ll have to leave again, but this pessimistic outlook from the get go is certainly never going to lead to the changes we obviously need.

How do we solve things that require global attentio and accountability, like climate change, with an increasingly hostile and isolationist country calling the shots on decisions about global economic matters.

Simply put if I want to live in a world somewhat resembling the current one in 60 years, American collapse or integration into global democracy is a necessity.

Also calling a country that has been at war for 80+% of it’s history a protector of global peace seems a bit questionable. Similarly I don’t think anyone can conclusively say that the US has done more or less harm than good. But by that same nebulous metric shouldn’t China hold that same title, as well as the Soviets, the British empire, the Spanish empire,the Romans ?

I would expect almost everyone to feel more ambiguously about the later list than the US, but both the US and empires of the past are exactly what they’ve always been, a tool for those inside, especially the ones in power to increase their quality of life, while everyone outside gets to be exploited, integrated, subjected to rules that do harm, and be attacked, regime changed and so on. It’s not actually the US that is a problem it’s the US being a modern empire that’s the problem.

That the US tries to be a liberal democracy doesn’t really lessen it’s status as an empire, especially if the powers at be largely prevent it’s people to decide against the status quo of domination.

Almost by necessity the most powerful are the most harmful if there are no systems to prevent their harm, diffuse their power etc.

Ghostalmedia , (edited )
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This perception arises from the fact that people think signing and ratifying are the same thing. They are not.

A treaty needs to be ratified to be legally binding, and ratification takes 2/3rd of the senate to OK it.

The executive branch signs international shit all the time, but they can’t get it through Congress. Which is why recent treaties lack teeth.

homura1650 ,

The treaty itself does not have any enforcement mechanism; however the US does. US courts recognize ratified treaties as having equal weight to laws passed the normal way Ratifying the Treaty would immediately make it federal law. The US has a robust enough legal system that the courts would the (over years of building up case law) determine exactly what that means.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

This.

A treaty is a three step process. Draft, sign, ratify. This made it to step two, not step three for the US.

sachamato , to til in TIL a Canadian from Greece took an American version of an Italian dish and added tropical fruit to it and called it a Hawaiian pizza.

I go to Italy often just to eat real Italian food. I understand that for Italians, the hawainana pizza is an aberration, like many other things if not cooked as they traditionally do. And I respect it, because it’s a key part of their culture. Still, I have a right to eat and like whatever I want, so I also expect respect on that sense. Some people will do this and some others won’t. I think it’s a personal choice to decide respecting others opinions.

supercriticalcheese ,

They don’t have to serve you what you want if it’s not on the menu, they can try to accommodate if they really want but that’s about it.

But if you don’t have the ingredients they cannot really do that can they.

Sagifurius ,

I get that shit ALL the time. I have 34 wing flavours, a number of them address the sweet n savoury/sour thing I personally detest. I don’t carry the disgusting bulk sweet n sour sugar sauce common to this region and continually get people staring at the 34 flavours and and ask “do you have honey mustard or sweet n sour”? No. I don’t. That’s not what I’m doing here, if I had that, it would be listed. Literally every other place has that, I’m fucking trying to impart some taste to the region no matter how miniscule.

Guntrigger ,

I enjoy that this rant started out like we should all know that you have a wing restaurant.

Tristaniopsis ,

Traditional schmaditional. They never had tomatoes, peppers, potatoes, corn or a bunch of other things until Meso-America was ransacked.

masterspace ,

Discovering that tomatoes were new world fruit really torpedoed any chance of me respecting Italian traditions

Tristaniopsis ,

Well… a tradition’s gotta start sometime.

Look at that fucking Elf on the Fucking Shelf shit. It’s marketing tag on the box is (or was) “a tradition”.

Yeah. A tradition for ONE fucked up family who then cashed in HARD and forced their sick gaslighting on the gullible public. /rant

Pooptimist ,

They make pizza dulce with Nutella, so I can get my pizza with pineapple

Chickenstalker , to til in TIL a Canadian from Greece took an American version of an Italian dish and added tropical fruit to it and called it a Hawaiian pizza.

Pizza is American. They perfected it and deserves the full credit. Italians can cry with their hands.

RegalPotoo ,
@RegalPotoo@lemmy.world avatar

Describing American pizza and Italian pizza as being the same thing is imperialism

lvxferre ,

<span style="color:#323232;">Aeneas and his chiefs,
</span><span style="color:#323232;">with fair Iulus, under spreading boughs
</span><span style="color:#323232;">of one great tree made resting-place, and set
</span><span style="color:#323232;">the banquet on. Thin loaves of altar-bread
</span><span style="color:#323232;">along the sward to bear their meats were laid
</span><span style="color:#323232;">(such was the will of Jove), and wilding fruits
</span><span style="color:#323232;">rose heaping high, with Ceres' gift below.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Soon, all things else devoured, their hunger turned
</span><span style="color:#323232;">to taste the scanty bread, which they attacked
</span><span style="color:#323232;">with tooth and nail audacious, and consumed
</span><span style="color:#323232;">both round and square of that predestined leaven.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">“Look, how we eat our tables even!” cried
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Iulus, in a jest.
</span>

This is from a translation of the Aeneid, published in 19 BCE.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/pompeii-pizza-close.jpg

and this is from Pompeii, buried in 79 CE.

Pizza is at the very least Roman, if not older. (Potentially Greek.)

And before someone mentions tomatoes, pizza bianca is a thing.

Stovetop ,

Admittedly it doesn’t take much creative thinking to come up with the idea of “bread with stuff on it”.

It’d be pretty different from what we think of as pizza today though with no tomatoes or mozzarella.

lvxferre ,

That’s why I mentioned pizza bianca / white pizza - it doesn’t include passata or tomato sauce, but it’s still pizza.

Cheese being added to the pizza is a bit trickier, but I’m tempted to say that the Romans already did this; they were big fans of cheese, and the white stuff in the afresco looks a lot like sheep cheese for me. And, well, cheese melting over hot bread is kind of obvious. Plus there are claims that mozzarella itself backtracks to those times, although it was originally made with sheep milk.

Stovetop ,

Likely not used on pizza though, I’d imagine. But a cheese like feta, which would have been more common, would probably still taste great.

lvxferre ,

I could also picture them spreading some moretum (crushed cheese with herbs and olive oil, it’s rather tasty) over the dough. The white thing in the afresco is certainly not moretum as the later is green, but frankly that doesn’t sound too far from what I’ve seen people adding to pizza bianca.

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