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MisterCrisper , to lemmyshitpost in Lloyds Bank coprolite is the largest palaeofaeces yet discovered

Literal shitpost

vormadikter , to lemmyshitpost in Lloyds Bank coprolite is the largest palaeofaeces yet discovered

…and here I am, thinking the biggest piece of shit was Bono…

m.youtube.com/watch?v=hbBrnEU-ZUc

paddirn , to til in TIL Nokia has owned Bell Labs since 2016, and still does a lot of Telecom stuff

My Dad worked for Alcatel-Lucent when they got bought out by Nokia, which is when I found out it’s apparently pronounced “Noy-kia” and not “No-kia” like I thought it was for the longest (or else my Dad was just mispronouncing it). I’m sure there was some big changes he saw, but he pretty much worked from home the entire time, so it wasn’t a big transition that we saw, he just did the same old job, though I think they did move their actual offices from the East side of town to the North-west. He worked with them up until 2019 when he retired.

hemko ,

I’d think it’s obvious it’s not pronounced like an English word, since it’s Finnish brand named after a city in Finland…?

TheTetrapod ,

TIL Nokia isn’t Japanese.

hemko ,

Wtf

mox , to til in TIL Nokia has owned Bell Labs since 2016, and still does a lot of Telecom stuff

A lot of good tech came out of Bell Labs back in the day, including Unix, which eventually led to Linux. Nokia used to make solid hardware. I wonder if there’s anything great left in these organizations.

Aatube OP ,

Nokia's currently a telecom company which, among other things, licenses 5G tech.

You999 ,

Unix isn’t even one of their biggest inventions, bell laboratory is responsible for transistors, solar panels, and lasers.

Plopp ,

Don’t forget the bell.

AlligatorBlizzard ,

Aren’t they also tangentially responsible for finding the CMB?

Aatube OP ,

In 1964, David Todd Wilkinson and Peter Roll, Dicke's colleagues at Princeton University, began constructing a Dicke radiometer to measure the cosmic microwave background.[29] In 1964, Arno Penzias and Robert Woodrow Wilson at the Crawford Hill location of Bell Telephone Laboratories in nearby Holmdel Township, New Jersey had built a Dicke radiometer that they intended to use for radio astronomy and satellite communication experiments.[27] On 20 May 1964 they made their first measurement clearly showing the presence of the microwave background,[30] with their instrument having an excess 4.2K antenna temperature which they could not account for. After receiving a telephone call from Crawford Hill, Dicke said "Boys, we've been scooped."[2][31][32] A meeting between the Princeton and Crawford Hill groups determined that the antenna temperature was indeed due to the microwave background. Penzias and Wilson received the 1978 Nobel Prize in Physics for their discovery.[33]

Lmao, another TIL.

reddig33 ,

I fear their business model is just suing everyone over patents now. Many of their suits have been cited as holding telecommunications methods hostage without negotiating fair use licensing fees.

mox ,

What a pity.

DigitalTraveler42 , to til in TIL Nokia has owned Bell Labs since 2016, and still does a lot of Telecom stuff

Nokia is actually trying to block Reddit’s IPO over patent infringement:

reuters.com/…/reddit-says-nokia-accused-it-patent…

nezbyte , to til in TIL Nokia has owned Bell Labs since 2016, and still does a lot of Telecom stuff

Highly recommend The Idea Factory by Jon Gertner. It is a fantastic book about Bell Labs in its heyday.

masquenox , to til in TIL about the concept of Weaponized Incompetence, which probably explains every issue you ever faced in a bureaucracy

I just call it “corporate culture.”

delirious_owl , to til in TIL North Koreans cannot go to Japan
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

P sure they cant go anywhere

theworstshepard ,

There’s a lot of North Korean people in China. From what I heard, it’s not for having a good time

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Are you referring to dead bodies in the Gobi desert?

theworstshepard ,

I was referring to the effective slave labour in Chinese factories

chuckleslord , to til in TIL abou the Amalgam Comics, a joint publication by DC & Marvel featuring characters that were a mix of those from both universes

Holy shit! This is it, the actual comic I read was a copy of JLX. I thought I had temporary insanity as a kid, reading a comic about Mr. X, leader of a teenage group of mutants, whose actual identity was the Martian Manhunter.

Huh. TIL

sonderiaom , to til in TIL abou the Amalgam Comics, a joint publication by DC & Marvel featuring characters that were a mix of those from both universes

Oh yeah, I loved these comics as a kid and wished there were more. I recently found a collection just to read back through these for how fun they were.

kirbowo808 , (edited ) to til in TIL North Koreans cannot go to Japan
@kirbowo808@kbin.social avatar

Wow I didn’t know that at all!

This is not new

ABCDE OP ,

I didn’t say it was new, but it’s new to me.

AtmaJnana ,

This sub is “Today I Learned”, not “Today You Learned.” OP just learned about it and wanted to discuss with other people. Seems reasonable.

And, indeed, though I knew most of this, I’ve still found some of the discussion interesting. What, then, is your problem? No one is forcing you to visit the thread at all.

rustyfish , to til in TIL North Koreans cannot go to Japan
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

Didn’t help they kidnapped people from Japan.

Then lied about the kidnappings.

Then lied about them being dead.

Then lied about them being alive.

Then lied about their ashes.

drolex ,

Then lied about them being dead

Then lied about them being alive.

Well they might have been right at some point, let’s give them the benefit of the doubt…

Localhorst86 ,

what if, both times, they were wrong at that particular point in time?

boyi ,

Not just Japan. When they need language teachers and translators, they just dock their subs close to the beach of the country, and kidnap anyone they found there.

Baahb ,

NGL that sounds like propaganda, and not reality.

Gutek8134 ,
@Gutek8134@lemmy.world avatar

More like a joke

Baahb ,

It could be a joke, sure. Lots of propaganda appears to be. Watch loony toons about the war in the Pacific during the 40s. Being a joke doesn’t make it not propaganda.

boyi ,

It does sound like that. Exaggerated for sure, however it’s not that far from reality although to a lesser extend during 70’s, if I am not mistaken.

Baahb ,

Op posted a link to the kidnapping incident you’re likely referring to in thread. Pretty interesting. Terrifying too.

ABCDE OP ,
Baahb ,

Honestly, not the same thing. Atrocious, but not indescriminant submarine based abductions from far away lands for the language skills.

ABCDE OP ,

You said it sounds like propaganda. I gave you an example of what they did (verifiably) which is not.

Baahb , (edited )

I understand what occurred, I was right here. It DOES sound like propaganda, and it never happened. Did NK kidnap public figures from its immediate neighbor? Yea!

Is that neighbor part of the same hundreds of years old country that was split apart 30 years before this? Also yea!

Does any of this have anything to do with NK rolling up on a beach via a submarine and kidnapping people to teach language classes? No! That’s ridiculous, and providing a link that shows that NK did in fact kidnap VERY SPECIFIC people, when someone else is suggesting this is happening near indiscriminately is basically lying.

Jesus, I sound like an NK apologist. Fuck NK, and fuck any govt that does the things nk does, but making up bullshit and exaggerating beyond reason in order to frame NK as somehow even worse than it is, is by definition propaganda.

Edit: as pointed out by OP, NK did in fact kidnap civilians from Japan for the purposes of teaching foreign languages.

ABCDE OP ,

en.wikipedia.org/…/North_Korean_abductions_of_Jap…

Here is a Wiki link which mentions that Japanese people were abducted for translation reasons.

Doesn’t seem so ridiculous now.

Yes, you sound like that.

Baahb , (edited )

I stand sorta corrected, I guess…

Maybe worth noting propaganda and the truth aren’t mutually exclusive. Propaganda can and often is true; falsehood isn’t what makes it propaganda

Not just Japan. When they need language teachers and translators, they just dock their subs close to the beach of the country, and kidnap anyone they found there.

This is the comment I’m posting about.

That Sounds Like Propaganda

Let me further clarify: That sounds like a talking point pushed by someone who has a vested interest in convincing people that somehow NK is even worse than it actually is that has been picked up and repeated until it’s taken as fact. It does not matter how factual it actually is.

And you know what, nobody needs to worry about being kidnapped by North Koreans in submarines.

Get some reading comprehension.

ABCDE OP ,

It does not matter how factual it actually is.

Digging in… Well okay.

wildcardology ,

Reminds me of a story about how they kidnapped a movie director to make films for them. I don’t remember the details though.

darklamer ,
@darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar
Seasoned_Greetings ,

The Dollop podcast did a thorough job covering this one. Definitely worth a listen

gravitas_deficiency ,

Lmao they forced the guy to direct wish.com Godzilla

echodot ,

Okay but I can’t speak North Korean so I’m going to be pretty bad language teacher, I’m not sure how that’s supposed to work.

weeeeum , to til in TIL North Koreans cannot go to Japan

I don’t mean to shock you but… North Koreans can’t travel anywhere.

Am I missing something ?

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

North Koreans with passports can travel to 12 countries visa-free, including Suriname and Guyana

boredtortoise ,

Probably not available to everyone

MrJameGumb ,
@MrJameGumb@lemmy.world avatar

North Koreans with passports

Really though how many people is that? Like 20 or 30?

Unforeseen ,

Which entirely consists of the espionage dept

acockworkorange ,

Don’t forget the espionage dept espionage dept.

Kusimulkku ,

And is this common, traveling abroad to these places?

boyi , (edited )

of course they can, to the countries that have diplomatic relations with them, but not many countries, of course.

Fun fact:

As of 2024, Malaysia is the only country in Southeast Asia that does not maintain diplomatic relations with North Korea.

source

If Kim Jong-Nam assassination rings a bell…

Kusimulkku , (edited )

They were saying that the limiting factor might not be whether other countries allow them in but rather if their own country allows them to leave.

Not that anyone would want to leave the glorious workers’ paradise to begin with.

boyi ,

Yes, we can safely assume that those who leave NK are somehow working for the government either officially or unofficially and thoroughly vetted to ensure that they will come back to their glorious country.

ABCDE OP ,

Often monitored to the extent that they’re under house arrest in some cases, such as those who work in the Pyongyang restaurant chain. The waitresses can go out with minders, but must be ‘home’ in the evenings. Some South Korean businessmen have visited and managed to get a few of them out before.

AceFuzzLord ,

I don’t remember what countries, but I know there are North Korean restaurants in other countries. With actual North Korean women working there, having to live on premises and be vetted for political loyalty while essentially being under surveillance.

Looked it up and Wikipedia was saying they’re all essentially fronts for laundering foreign currency to send back home. Other sites have been saying that these restaurants have been closing since the pandemic.

edgemaster72 , to til in TIL about the concept of Weaponized Incompetence, which probably explains every issue you ever faced in a bureaucracy
@edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

Every? Oh my no, there’s plenty of ways that bureaucracy comes to a grinding halt.

DrBob , to til in TIL about the concept of Weaponized Incompetence, which probably explains every issue you ever faced in a bureaucracy

I was genuinely taken aback at how much the article focused on interpersonal relationships and gender. I am much more familiar with the concept in bureaucracy the way the post teased it.

gitgud OP ,
@gitgud@lemmy.ml avatar

To be fair, it’s a short Wikipedia article that really only glosses over the concept, but there’s lots of other articles on it online, including if I remember correctly a Psychology Today article.

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