You really won’t see this in the USA, because few people even reach the border. After September 11, the United States is fine with eliminating threats. For example, the United States knew about this attack for 2 weeks.
UPD: I also remind you that after September 11, the United States did not limit itself to one person but beat up an entire country
I mean… knowing it’s likely a CIA funded attack, Russia didn’t really have any option other than to say it was the group that allows them to continue their war in the Ukraine.
Of course it could be CIA connected but likely is a too strong word with the information available at this point. Russia is fucking around with many groups all over the world
Oh, believe me, I tried. Paradox of tolerance, yadda yadda yadda.
Best I can do right now is let people know there’s no point in engaging with trolls. We don’t want to encourage them and give them a platform they’ll use to spread their nazbol propaganda.
Well dont stop, continue. Only in dialogue can we defeat our differences.
Otherwise you seperate and isolate people, and strengthen they’re belives.
There are people that you can show all the facts and logic and proof and they are not going to believe. Those people I refer to as stupid. ( I dont call em that. No need to be rude). Dont be such a person yourself.
Hence, always try to engage in dialogue and be flexible enough in your worldviews. But also know some people are not and there is nothing you can do.
But other people reading this will see you be right.
Nazbol? What does this dead movement have to do with anything?
The topic of discussion is how to prevent them from doing any harm, rather than which space crocodile is secretly controlling us with mind-control lasers, or whatever their lunacy-of-the-day may be. This is a win. They’re being exposed without giving them the satisfaction of censoring them. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.
This is not high-school debate club. Anyone with a modicum of media litteracy knows you don’t give a platform to Russian shills, or anyone peddling any kind of similarly lunatic propaganda for that matter. If you want to know more, read their post history. The reason that you don’t do that is that the minute they get sufficient mindshare, they’ll be more than happy to bend the rules of civil discussion. We’re talking about people defending China and its censorship, after all.
And look, you’re more than welcome to criticize American imperialism and liberal hypocrisy. But shilling for authoritarian regimes is a red line any leftist worthy of the name should not cross.
And because Islamic extremists have never committed attacks in Russie based on Russias actions in Syria (directly engaging ISIS) and Russias friendly relations with the taliban, who in turn hate ISIS.
So many examples, but blaming the Americans/Ukranian/Europeans/InsertAnyOtherParty is just another way the Russian trolls sow chaos in an attempt to make everyone doubt reality.
You should stop eating soap, as apparently that is bad for your brain too.
A country defending itself from an invader is not committing killings and terrorist, it is engaged in asymmetric warfare for as far as it is actually involved.
Ascribing the work of partisans and anti putinists to Ukraine completely ignores the hellscapr Putin has created within Russia proper. There is plenty to be mad about at their own government for Russians.
Are you referring to the blowing up of a right wing extremist pro war blogger, inside the cafe of the wagner boss? Attended by fans of the blogger and his work calling for the extermination of Ukranians?
Because a link to Ukraine is only available by accusation by the person who did it, after she was arrested and in the hands of the Russian government for some time.
And judging by how the Russian security services treat their captives, I can imagine they will say whatever they need to in order to make the hurting stop or be less.
Presumably because they couldn’t find any Ukrainians to pin the blame on.
I’m somewhat skeptical about if these people are actually responsible, since I would have thought that a properly organized terrorist would actually leave the country pretty pronto.
A bunch of footage of what exactly? These individuals with their faces uncovered demonstrating they were the ones that committed the act I don’t think so.
“There’s a portion of the evangelical community that’s very attracted to the idea that God knows everything and God appoints leaders,” he said. “They believe that Donald Trump is the appointed leader at this moment in time.”
“Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.”
– Romans 13:1 NIV
Except, of course, if the current leader is a Democrat.
I don’t think many of them even realize what they’re doing. I’m not sure any billionaires truly realize how divorced from reality their little bubble is. It’s the only conclusion I can come to. They legit think all these streaming services are affordable, they legit think houses are affordable still, they think “freeing them up” from employment will make their (ex-)employees happier because they don’t have to work anymore or something. It’s the only thing I can think when I look at just how many outrageously wealthy people would have to be truly evil for this system to turn out the way it is. The only conclusion I can think of is that, for the most part, they’re normal people who got super lucky and are so divorced from reality they don’t realize how hard they’re fucking the system over.
I’m commenting on the part about “freeing up employees” as if they’ll be able to live without a job once their role is replaced and becomes redundant. Robots are cool. Robots should be doing warehouse jobs. I was simply commenting on the choice of words.
That line is about freeing up employee hours to do other tasks
Shitloads of people in manufacturing, service, and distribution will be losing their jobs in the next decade or so as a result of automation. I just don’t think that’s a bad thing.
Soft plug for Cyberpunk 2077 and Blade Runner if you want to see how that happens.
Except reality would be far more soul-crushing, most people wouldn't have autonomy or success that make for interesting stories. Most people would just have the choice to live in a company office, die to corporate police, or become cyberhomeless.
Oh yea I know it, had it worded as 'company megacity' at one point but didn't want to sound anti-city.
That and even if they don't own the city, it can be a detriment especially looking at new technological ways they could control workers even without physical isolation. And I'm sure they could use this power to exploit a greater number of people, too.
Won’t someone think of the poor 19th century English textile workers! That group still has no jobs today and worldwide quality of life is clearly so much worse for it!
Fucking great insights rich guy, wars are bad and will affect energy and food prices. Why do newspapers interview the CEO of a bank to talk about non-bank issues? He doesn’t know any more about any of this than anyone else.
If you wrote these lines into Star Trek and had Ferengi say them, people would laugh at how over the top they are. But we have real people saying it here. It doesn’t even leave room for satire.
[Thick Russian accent]: Foolish man, should not have gotten on a private plane, bad reputation private planes have. Very unsafe in these parts. Oh well, accidents happen…
The thing I find strange about this is, why was he in Russia to begin with? I thought he was last seen in Africa just a couple days ago. How’d he end up on a plane flying between Moscow and St. Petersburg?
That doesn’t sound right. I’m pretty sure you can’t get there by boat either. I can’t really imagine him walking to Russia that fast so this sounds like fake news.
gasp but that’s… That’s… impossible! But I was told Africa was all mud huts and wooden spears!!!
Joking aside, I know Africa has airports, but since Wagner has been supposedly moving their operations to Africa to fight against groups like ISIS and al Qaeda I’m a bit surprised that he wasn’t busy setting up operations there. I would think he’d want to be overseeing the operations there since it sounded like they were going to be making that their primary mission now.
Maybe daddy Putin got angy because the move was pulling soldiers out of Russia to fight in Africa. Then he called him for an in-person scolding, and when the scolding didn’t get through to him, Putin had to make an example of him.
Another possibility is that it wasn’t Putin, but instead another military leader who got pissy about Prigozhin being daddy’s favorite, in which case we might see another person fall out a window.
Or maybe it’s all a hoax because Prigozhin knows his life will probably end when his usefulness expires, so he faked his death to try and avoid Putin’s wrath after the war is over.
I think Putin just waited for some Wagner bosses to be on the same plane. Prigozhin has been successful in Niger and felt safe to fly with Utkin. The leftovers of Wagner will now be integrated into the Russian military.
“I…understand that when you are president you have to be more careful.”
Come on now, surely you just have to not kiss people when you shouldn’t. It makes it sound like he’s saying it would have been totally fine if he’d done it off camera.
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