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phoneymouse , to world in Moscow attack: Russian court charges four men with act of terrorism

Man, Russia is nuts. I dunno where these guys got their beatings, but this seems like nothing you’d see in the US.

Also, hard to understand how they can blame Ukraine for this while none of the suspects are Ukrainian.

nitrolife , (edited )
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You really won’t see this in the USA, because few people even reach the border. After September 11, the United States is fine with eliminating threats. For example, the United States knew about this attack for 2 weeks.

UPD: I also remind you that after September 11, the United States did not limit itself to one person but beat up an entire country

Zuberi ,
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I mean… knowing it’s likely a CIA funded attack, Russia didn’t really have any option other than to say it was the group that allows them to continue their war in the Ukraine.

boredtortoise ,

Of course it could be CIA connected but likely is a too strong word with the information available at this point. Russia is fucking around with many groups all over the world

FlorianSimon ,

Zuber eats is a known pro-Russian troll. You can safely ignore them, they’re not acting in good faith.

feine_seife ,

Zuber eats argument can be criticized without using Ad Hominems.

FlorianSimon ,

Oh, believe me, I tried. Paradox of tolerance, yadda yadda yadda.

Best I can do right now is let people know there’s no point in engaging with trolls. We don’t want to encourage them and give them a platform they’ll use to spread their nazbol propaganda.

feine_seife ,

Well dont stop, continue. Only in dialogue can we defeat our differences.

Otherwise you seperate and isolate people, and strengthen they’re belives.

There are people that you can show all the facts and logic and proof and they are not going to believe. Those people I refer to as stupid. ( I dont call em that. No need to be rude). Dont be such a person yourself.

Hence, always try to engage in dialogue and be flexible enough in your worldviews. But also know some people are not and there is nothing you can do.

But other people reading this will see you be right.

Nazbol? What does this dead movement have to do with anything?

FlorianSimon ,

We can all sit down and sing Kumbaya. While we do that, they’ll have free reign to propagate their conspiracy theories and hate.

I don’t engage seriously with them anymore, I’ve been burnt too many times. I don’t want to give them more visibility than they already have.

I want people to know immediately what they’re dealing with, because these guys don’t play by the rules.

feine_seife ,

Which rules?

Additionaly u are giving them more visibility, as uncommented statements are creticless, people rather read those.

FlorianSimon ,

The topic of discussion is how to prevent them from doing any harm, rather than which space crocodile is secretly controlling us with mind-control lasers, or whatever their lunacy-of-the-day may be. This is a win. They’re being exposed without giving them the satisfaction of censoring them. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.

This is not high-school debate club. Anyone with a modicum of media litteracy knows you don’t give a platform to Russian shills, or anyone peddling any kind of similarly lunatic propaganda for that matter. If you want to know more, read their post history. The reason that you don’t do that is that the minute they get sufficient mindshare, they’ll be more than happy to bend the rules of civil discussion. We’re talking about people defending China and its censorship, after all.

And look, you’re more than welcome to criticize American imperialism and liberal hypocrisy. But shilling for authoritarian regimes is a red line any leftist worthy of the name should not cross.

Badeendje ,
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Stop sniffing glue, it’s bad for your brain.

Zuberi ,
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Anybody who genuinely believes this was Isis is beyond saving from the state departments’ silly narrative

echodot ,

Because Isis have never committed any terrorist attacks before right?

If you’re going to make that claim you need to provide some evidence

Badeendje ,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

And because Islamic extremists have never committed attacks in Russie based on Russias actions in Syria (directly engaging ISIS) and Russias friendly relations with the taliban, who in turn hate ISIS.

So many examples, but blaming the Americans/Ukranian/Europeans/InsertAnyOtherParty is just another way the Russian trolls sow chaos in an attempt to make everyone doubt reality.

feine_seife ,

The people that have done the deed where definitly ISIS. But there where many people involved behind the scenes and someone payed for it.

ISIS usually ideologically subverts individuals.

While Ukraine is involved in numerous killings, terrorism and uncountable sabotages inside Russia, (mostly) by either paying or convincing locals.

(I doubt it was the US/ Europe. The CIA/ Europe would have no gain from this.)

But there is no definitive proof (so far) of who actually orchestraded it, so it could be the usual suspect or the obvious one.

Badeendje ,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

You should stop eating soap, as apparently that is bad for your brain too.

A country defending itself from an invader is not committing killings and terrorist, it is engaged in asymmetric warfare for as far as it is actually involved.

Ascribing the work of partisans and anti putinists to Ukraine completely ignores the hellscapr Putin has created within Russia proper. There is plenty to be mad about at their own government for Russians.

feine_seife ,

Killing civilians by planting bombs in statues is not asymetric warfare.

Badeendje ,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

Are you referring to the blowing up of a right wing extremist pro war blogger, inside the cafe of the wagner boss? Attended by fans of the blogger and his work calling for the extermination of Ukranians?

Because a link to Ukraine is only available by accusation by the person who did it, after she was arrested and in the hands of the Russian government for some time.

And judging by how the Russian security services treat their captives, I can imagine they will say whatever they need to in order to make the hurting stop or be less.

feine_seife ,

Nice that the SBU chief told in an interview on the 27th how the planning and execution of those murders was done. So there is your link.

Tho I do not share the views of the blogger. Innocent people that where not involved in any hostilities did get harmed.

Additionaly deliberate killing of noncombatants based on they’re race, views or political motivations, etc. using military funds is a warcrime.

FlorianSimon ,

I think you forgot to mention space reptilians 🫠

echodot ,

Presumably because they couldn’t find any Ukrainians to pin the blame on.

I’m somewhat skeptical about if these people are actually responsible, since I would have thought that a properly organized terrorist would actually leave the country pretty pronto.

Badeendje ,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe ISIS claiming the attack makes that harder too?

echodot ,

That’s starting to look weak. They’re allowing reality to have an impact on decision making.

gravitas_deficiency ,

That, or they weren’t planning on leaving the scene of the attack, since that’s one of their primary tactics

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

well the police didnt even turn up for like 90 minutes apparently so maybe they gave up waiting for them to suicide by cop

feine_seife ,

Bruh. There is video footage of it. You can go the parts of the internet where such footage is shared and check for yourself.

echodot ,

A bunch of footage of what exactly? These individuals with their faces uncovered demonstrating they were the ones that committed the act I don’t think so.

feine_seife ,

No, but you can clearly see the facial structure, clothing, shoes and other factors that any agency would use for.identification.

feine_seife ,

Most people involved with the sbu’s sabotage and terrorism inside Russia where not Ukrainian.

ThrowawayPermanente ,

But you might see it in Cuba, if you know where to look

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

some of them were ukranians caught making a dash back to ukraine…

AlgonquinHawk , to world in Nato chief says Donald Trump comments 'undermine all of our security'

“You gotta lay your bills” says the guy who hasn’t paid his bills in decades.

GiddyGap , to news in [Iowa] Evangelicals on Trump: "God looked down on his planned paradise and said, 'I need a caretaker,' so God gave us Trump."

“There’s a portion of the evangelical community that’s very attracted to the idea that God knows everything and God appoints leaders,” he said. “They believe that Donald Trump is the appointed leader at this moment in time.”

“‭‭Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.”

– Romans‬ ‭13:1‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Except, of course, if the current leader is a Democrat.

FoundTheVegan , (edited ) to news in George Santos: Expelled congressman is now selling $200 videos on Cameo
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I'm stuck somewhere between getting my GF a memorable Christmas gift and giving a dirtbag money...

girlfreddy OP , to news in Donald Trump fraud trial live updates: Former president takes the stand - BBC News
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The prosecution is trying to display, through these series of documents, that banks clearly kept asking for financial statements.

Trump had previously said banks don’t really look at those.

Trump says, “I could have done different things”.

He says if there was a problem, he could have given the banks cash or not borrowed the money.

UFODivebomb , (edited )

“I could have payed for it” said the thief.

“Oh I guess you’re innocent then” said nobody

Edit: grammar (but would an idiot thief use proper grammar?)

Mr_Blott ,

“Could have”, said everyone else

just_another_person , to technology in Amazon trials humanoid robots to 'free up' staff

“Free them up” from employment. These fuckers seem to be trying SO HARD to make every dystopian corporate world a thing.

Soft plug for Cyberpunk 2077 and Blade Runner if you want to see how that happens.

MossyFeathers ,

I don’t think many of them even realize what they’re doing. I’m not sure any billionaires truly realize how divorced from reality their little bubble is. It’s the only conclusion I can come to. They legit think all these streaming services are affordable, they legit think houses are affordable still, they think “freeing them up” from employment will make their (ex-)employees happier because they don’t have to work anymore or something. It’s the only thing I can think when I look at just how many outrageously wealthy people would have to be truly evil for this system to turn out the way it is. The only conclusion I can think of is that, for the most part, they’re normal people who got super lucky and are so divorced from reality they don’t realize how hard they’re fucking the system over.

SCB ,

It’s the only thing I can think when I look at just how many outrageously wealthy people would have to be truly evil

Is it evil to have a copy machine? Computer? Cell phone? Car? How about laundromats? The cotton gin?

Just wondering where you draw the line on “tech that takes jobs”

MossyFeathers ,

I’m commenting on the part about “freeing up employees” as if they’ll be able to live without a job once their role is replaced and becomes redundant. Robots are cool. Robots should be doing warehouse jobs. I was simply commenting on the choice of words.

SCB ,

That line is about freeing up employee hours to do other tasks

Shitloads of people in manufacturing, service, and distribution will be losing their jobs in the next decade or so as a result of automation. I just don’t think that’s a bad thing.

insomniac_lemon ,
@insomniac_lemon@kbin.social avatar

Soft plug for Cyberpunk 2077 and Blade Runner if you want to see how that happens.

Except reality would be far more soul-crushing, most people wouldn't have autonomy or success that make for interesting stories. Most people would just have the choice to live in a company office, die to corporate police, or become cyberhomeless.

just_another_person ,

Yeah, not a new idea. It’s been done before to horrific consequences, but we’re leaning back towards it: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_town

insomniac_lemon , (edited )
@insomniac_lemon@kbin.social avatar

Oh yea I know it, had it worded as 'company megacity' at one point but didn't want to sound anti-city.

That and even if they don't own the city, it can be a detriment especially looking at new technological ways they could control workers even without physical isolation. And I'm sure they could use this power to exploit a greater number of people, too.

just_another_person ,

Unless laws get put in place, Amazon can buy towns right now. It’s a fact.

reversebananimals ,

Won’t someone think of the poor 19th century English textile workers! That group still has no jobs today and worldwide quality of life is clearly so much worse for it!

/s

just_another_person ,

It’s kinda funny until you become irrelevant to them.

reversebananimals ,

Do you own a washing machine? Then you’re a traitor to the working class! You stole a job from a scullery maid! How dare you?

Zaktor , to news in JP Morgan's Jamie Dimon warns world facing 'most dangerous time in decades'

Fucking great insights rich guy, wars are bad and will affect energy and food prices. Why do newspapers interview the CEO of a bank to talk about non-bank issues? He doesn’t know any more about any of this than anyone else.

ApostleO ,

Human life?! Who’s gonna protect our profits?!

If you wrote these lines into Star Trek and had Ferengi say them, people would laugh at how over the top they are. But we have real people saying it here. It doesn’t even leave room for satire.

MortyMcFry , to worldnews in Donald Trump's Georgia case to be livestreamed
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And it will somehow be more absurd than the Jury Duty series.

StandingCat ,
@StandingCat@lemmy.world avatar

Man that show was so unexpectedly good. They somehow found just the right group of people for it.

sovietknuckles , (edited )
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He’s going to testify

nicktron , to worldnews in Beekeepers to the rescue after 5 million bees fall off truck in Canada
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This incident is creating quite a buzz.

BrikoX OP ,
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TrippySquidsman ,
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I can’t bee-lieve this happened!

The_Eminent_Bon ,

It’s a stinging sensation

ChillPill , to world in Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia
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[Thick Russian accent]: Foolish man, should not have gotten on a private plane, bad reputation private planes have. Very unsafe in these parts. Oh well, accidents happen…

Spaceballstheusername ,

Pretty sure he was dead before he got on that plane.

BigNote , to world in Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia

Where, oh where are all of our apologists?

Maybe still figuring out what the “talking points” will be?

We’re all waiting for the inevitable bullshit.

Silverseren ,

They were here early in the thread and are just arguing with people pages back in there. Whatabouting about the US over and over.

MossyFeathers , to world in Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia

The thing I find strange about this is, why was he in Russia to begin with? I thought he was last seen in Africa just a couple days ago. How’d he end up on a plane flying between Moscow and St. Petersburg?

gonzo0815 ,

I’m not sure but I think they might have some airports in Africa.

lagomorphlecture ,

That doesn’t sound right. I’m pretty sure you can’t get there by boat either. I can’t really imagine him walking to Russia that fast so this sounds like fake news.

chili1553 ,

big;;;; if true

MossyFeathers ,

gasp but that’s… That’s… impossible! But I was told Africa was all mud huts and wooden spears!!!

Joking aside, I know Africa has airports, but since Wagner has been supposedly moving their operations to Africa to fight against groups like ISIS and al Qaeda I’m a bit surprised that he wasn’t busy setting up operations there. I would think he’d want to be overseeing the operations there since it sounded like they were going to be making that their primary mission now.

Maybe daddy Putin got angy because the move was pulling soldiers out of Russia to fight in Africa. Then he called him for an in-person scolding, and when the scolding didn’t get through to him, Putin had to make an example of him.

Another possibility is that it wasn’t Putin, but instead another military leader who got pissy about Prigozhin being daddy’s favorite, in which case we might see another person fall out a window.

Or maybe it’s all a hoax because Prigozhin knows his life will probably end when his usefulness expires, so he faked his death to try and avoid Putin’s wrath after the war is over.

gonzo0815 ,

I think Putin just waited for some Wagner bosses to be on the same plane. Prigozhin has been successful in Niger and felt safe to fly with Utkin. The leftovers of Wagner will now be integrated into the Russian military.

stebo02 ,
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I’m not sure but maybe him being in Africa was a lie? Maybe to make Putin think he’s not in Russia anymore?

skillissuer ,
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he recorded a video yelling about something somewhere in sahel two days before incident, and next day he went to russia

why would he stage it up? wagner has known activities in africa

girlfreddy OP , (edited ) to news in Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin 'on board' crashed Russian plane
@girlfreddy@lemmy.world avatar

Had to know it would happen sooner rather than later.

I’m just surprised the plane was shot down in Russian airspace. Putin’s not even trying to hide his assinations anymore.

Sordid ,
@Sordid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m surprised it took this long, I thought he’d be dead within a week of his failed coup. Assuming, of course, that he was even really on board.

MotoAsh ,

I was kinda’ surprised he made it out of Russia at all after that. Putin really did look weak vs his regular MO.

NewNewAccount ,

He’s never tried to hide them. That’s the point.

13esq ,

Right.

This assassination wasn’t revenge, it was a threat, to anyone else that might be thinking about a coup.

ChaoticEntropy ,
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They don’t hide them, they just deny them despite all the evidence to the contrary. Usually while sneering.

seacocker , to world in Spanish FA president Rubiales apologises for Hermoso kiss
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“I…understand that when you are president you have to be more careful.”

Come on now, surely you just have to not kiss people when you shouldn’t. It makes it sound like he’s saying it would have been totally fine if he’d done it off camera.

UprisingVoltage ,

He totally did it just because he wanted to and he thought there wouldn’t have been any repercussions. Now shit’s hitting the fan, as it should

LastYearsPumpkin , to world in British Museum worker sacked over missing items
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