Karsten Borner, captain of a nearby boat, said after the storm had passed, the crew noticed the yacht that had been behind them had disappeared.
“We saw a red flare, so my first mate and I went to the position, and we found this life raft drifting,” he told Reuters.
His crew took on board some survivors, including three who were seriously injured.
Sounds like it might have flipped pretty quickly, rather than being a slow sinking:
Witnesses told Italian news agency Ansa that the Bayesian’s anchor was down when the storm struck, causing the 72m (236ft) aluminium mast to break in half and the ship to lose its balance and sink.
The ship’s unusually tall mast may have contributed to its sinking, according to Matthew Schanck, chair of the Maritime Search and Rescue Council.
He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that the mast acted almost like a sail in the strong wind “especially with it being so high”.
The extreme winds could have caught the mast and pushed the yacht over, he said.
One of the survivors, British tourist Charlotte Golunski, told Italian newspaper La Repubblica how she held up her one-year-old daughter Sofia to stop her from drowning.
She said the two of them and her partner James survived only because they were up on deck when the yacht sank.
AFAIK Mike Lynch was the highest net worth individual on the yacht and Reuters says his net worth is ~$450 million so there may actually not be any missing billionaires. (The Evening Standard claims he had a net worth of £986.4 million which would make him a billionaire in USD but rich lists are often BS so I’m going off what was claimed in court)
Edit: So everyone else on the boat was evil and they didn’t care that they were gone. But “18 year old Hannah” was innocent though right? And why do we just assume that? If it was an 18 year old son would he be given the same innocence?
The co-defendant from the lawsuit also dying is more specifically suspicious, the btc “hack” happening at the same time is just a potential cherry on top.
I found it odd that the two co-defendants died within days of each other. But it’s hard to imagine that it was a conspiracy, given that the yacht sank because of a storm. I don’t see any connection to the bitcoin hack.
The yacht seemingly sank because of the storm, but we don’t have enough confirmed evidence to make that a factual consideration yet, just a guess. There are a lot of pieces that may connect. The missing people include very high wealth individuals, and the lawsuit angle creates a connection for potential malfeasance.
What better cover story would work to hide several crimes? Its not necessarily a conspiracy of crime, but it has some weird timing.
Believe it or not, mockery of your conspiracy theory and bullying you are not the same thing.
And yes, I think the idea of there being a conspiracy when you can just look at a weather map and see the obvious explanation for what happened is worthy of mockery.
Believe it or not, mocking people out of the gate with no context can be construed as being an asshole bully.
I’m fully open to the idea that its not a conspiracy at all, but you’re too interested in a chance to mock ideas rather than ask or explore anything that diverts from your apparent need to punch down.
This is a common theme for you and has been for a long time on here, one minute you seem to see yourself as a victim of bullies and even come to others defense, but the next minute you are attacking those you assume are outside of your bubble of belief while pretending sarcastic mocking excuses blithe arrogance.
This isnt Reddit, why continue to bring that sort of vitriol here?
Look, when you say something stupid, you have to expect people to treat you like you are stupid. This isn’t him/her being a bully, this is just the expected result of you implying a tornado sinking a boat is somehow connected to a bitcoin theft.
You said something ridiculous and I mocked it. Believe it or not, your statements do not have any right to go unchallenged. And I attacked your statement, not you personally. If you want to make the strange argument that I bullied your statement, go for it.
You didn’t challenge the statement at all, all you did was make a sarcastic quip to mock it without any substantive reasoning, then followed up with dismissiveness when pushed back on.
Your mocking statements do not have any right to go unchallenged.
It’s a two way street based on your own logic tree. Let’s stop wasting time with contextual meta nonsense.
Not OP but it would be far easier to contrive getting the boat to the storm. Most ships nowadays (particularly big ones) have autopilot. GPS interference or maybe even hacking (I’d bet a billionaires yacht has sattelite internet) could get it off-course without being too noticeable.
Is it probable? No. Is it possible? Yes.
It might be worth raising an eyebrow and asking the question at least.
i mean yeah i was making my statement SOMEWHAT bitterly as a jab at billionaire “job creators” but it’s absolutely true that what drives an economy is the DEMAND SIDE being able to actually pay for shit X3 which is why i’m a proponent of universal basic income. It sucks wealth out of the places where it’s congealed and stagnant (rich people) and circulates it up through the people who actually spend it on their needs
I agree, with one important caveat: in order to work properly, UBI must be paired with price controls. Otherwise, the profiteers will simply raise prices even more, canceling it out.
Combining both UBI and price controls on everything needed to survive and support yourself in a modern society (housing, food, water, electricity, heating and/or aircondition, transportation, internet), though, would be EXTREMELY beneficial to literally all of society!
In a nation so riddled with poverty, strife, and failing public services, where most of us are struggling just to keep a roof over our heads and get our serious illnesses treated, is it any surprise that things like this fall through the cracks?
It’s these sorts of issues that a first world nation should have the time and energy to focus on improving.
Unfortunately these days we’re a second world nation that still thinks it’s a first world nation. Heck, a not insignificant portion of us still think we’re as important as when we were the British Empire 🤦♀️
We’re delusional, we need to have a reality check on our new, smaller place in the world, and on how successful and wealthy our economy and our people actually are.
Once we come to terms with how weak and feeble we have become as a country, we can refocus our efforts based on reality - not on a fantasy of our past glory, and then hopefully backlogs like this can slowly begin to be dealt with ❤️
Unfortunately, someone would vandalise it or try and steal it in some way. The best they can do is move it into the zoo behind a protective screen of some kind imo.
Tagging or defacing a banksy is not “art”. The art here can be appreciated by anyone, I think the idea is that the Gorilla opened the zoo and the animals are escaping, so the rest of London has the animals all over it
Defining something as “art” or “not art” seems a rather simplistic worldview.
Does art need to be “appreciated by anyone” to be “art”, is art only what is popular, or simplistic enough to be understood by a mass audience?
Is stencilling over/tagging a banksy vandalism, or is it a making a statement on the middle class hypocrisy of its widespread acceptance of street works from one author and the derision of others?
Which of these are “art” or “not art”…
banksy later tagging his own work
banksy later tagging his own work but not claiming authorship
banksy later tagging his own work, but publicly saying someone else did it, and that he doesn’t approve
someone else tagging banksy’s work, and banksy publicly saying that he approves
banksy stencilling over the mona lisa (on the actual paint)
banksy stencilling on the outside wall of fallingwater
banksy stencilling something regarded as offensive by some people
banksy stencilling something you like on the front of your house
banksy stencilling something you don’t like on the front of your house, but is widely liked by others
somebody else stencilling the same thing on the front of your house
Seems like the rules for what is/isn’t art could be quite complicated. There would be endless possible scenarios to judicate on. Not to mention, who gets to decide? Popular vote, experts, the owner of the substrate?
Much simpler to let art be undefined and interpretable however one wishes.
Maybe he could have CC’d more journalists? Yesterday’s post was cautioning that it didn’t come from a big mainstream newspaper. Looks like the BBC just got around to confirming it and writing up the story.
Meanwhile, Ashkan Kareem, 33, has been jailed for 12 months after participating in a clash in Darlington on 5 August.
Kareem said he was trying to protect a mosque from being attacked by “racists”.
The presiding judge said Kareem was part of a group which gathered in opposition to men “chanting racist and far-right slogans”, but it was “abundantly clear that would result in violence and it did”.
So we are American school systems now? Defend yourself, believe it or not, straight to jail. What if he wasn’t part of a group, and they attack him? Still jail?
I get what the judge is saying, but that is fucking bull shit. If I can’t protect my own beliefs, why do they get to roll down the street screaming hate?
(Disclaimer, I am from America, but I can see how it could read differently)
not knowing more context than what you provided, he was not protecting himself: he was protecting a building. they were looking to make the situation violent, and he provided the catalyst
If I see a hate group coming for my shit, my people, my property, my fucking anything, you are god damned right I’ll do what I have to do to protect it. If it is me against ten, you are fucking right I’m hitting up the homies for backup. If you are actually being genuine, you are part of the problem
The uk isn’t like Texas where you get gunned down for trespassing or shoplifting, life and peace is valued over property. Please don’t try and export your capitalist obsession for property over people to the rest of the world.
So I’ve sat down, cooled off, and really thought about this. You are right. This wasn’t about property though. This was about his people and their beliefs. This was a sacred place of worship
These are only the early, cases which have been easier to prove and process. They have just started charging people with riot, which carries a maximum 10 year sentence.
Should be noted that the organiser of the protest who got 5 years
was a repeat offender
purposely blocked an ambulance, then when asked to let it through said he’d rather any patient inside die than let it through
was arrested again during the court case for being in contempt of court
said he couldn’t wait to get out and commit more crime
He didnt really leave the judge much choice. You try telling a judge you want to commit more crime and see how that goes. Plus, purposely blocking an ambulance is a serious crime.
Plus, while not being illegal, he’ll happily jump on a flight to the US just to attend a wedding, yet moans about poorer people going on holiday abroad. That rubs me the wrong way.
Thank you for providing this extra context. I don’t think that people are really interrogating the circumstances properly when they compare sentences. Roger Hallam is a bona fide weirdo too - anyone who has not heard him being interviewed should listen to 5 mins of him describing his worldview.
Yeah, when you actually look at a lot of protest movements lemmy blindly supports they’re deeply problematic in many ways, of course people want easy answers and glib heros so they’ll get mad if you try and demonstrate nuance.
It depends. While I don’t say he was right, Many activists like “last generation” in Poland won’t be persecuted more than few hours of social work for blocking hours long whole street including emergency ambulance. The activits group is actually using subsidized big flat at the city center of Warsaw and Warsaw governor doesn’t care about this. There are double standards by current “good ( by EU ) government in Poland”. There is a clear bias ( i wont say what side ) represented in most governments of EU
I don’t really see how Poland (or the EU) are relevant to UK judges enforcing UK laws.
If what you’re saying is right, that sounds pretty crazy, though. Purposely blocking emergency services, not caring if it kills people, should not be 3 hours of community service. That’s fucking insane.
These statements, while true are lacking so many critical details that it borders on disinformation.
He was a repeat offender of nonviolent crimes.
He was held in contempt after the court refused to allow him to speak to the motivation behind his crime, a key component in any defence of nonviolent civil disobedience.
Of course he said he would commit the “crime” again. It’s civil disobedience. What exactly are you expecting? The planet is still on fire and we’re still burning it.
The ambulance thing is pretty terrible, but when you consider the objective outcome of our current world-burning, it’s not an unexpected perspective. Given a few more years of inaction and profiteering, and the nonviolent actors will start giving up on being civil – especially if the penalty is the same regardless. We’ll be looking back on traffic blocking and orange paint with nostalgia.
And? Does that somehow mean it shouldn’t factor into the decision? Should a serial fraudster be unpunished, because fraud is non-violent?
Besides, I’d say purposely blocking ambulances saying you’re fine if the person inside dies is pretty violent.
He was held in contempt after the court refused to allow him to speak to the motivation behind his crime, a key component in any defence of nonviolent civil disobedience.
He was held in contempt of court for making a scene more than once. When you’re in court, you’re not the one calling the shots.
Of course he said he would commit the “crime” again. It’s civil disobedience. What exactly are you expecting?
What are you expecting? The judge to say “look, I know as soon as you’re free you’re going to commit more crime, possibly even killing someone, as you’ve mentioned. But because climate change is a thing, I’m going to just let it happen. Btw I hope you enjoy your flight to America for that wedding!”
And no, don’t put crime in quotes. It’s not “crime”, it’s crime. “Crime” implies that it wasn’t a real crime. It was. He is a criminal. It was proven, he was guilty, he is going to prison. Crime.
What you’ve said here changes nothing. He’s still a repeat offender. He was still in contempt of court. He’s still, by his own admission, a potential danger to the lives of others, he still intended to commit more crimes. And he’s still a gargantuan hypocrite for wanting to kill someone for having the audacity of being passenger in a petrol-powered ambulance, while at the same time thinking it’s fine to fly to America 6,000km+ away, to attend a bloody wedding.
I never contested the facts as stated, only that their presentation, devoid of context was misleading. I put “crime” in quotes to demonstrate the absurdity of a system that imprisons people for blocking traffic when those actually burning the planet are treated with the highest respect by our elected representatives. This wasn’t defrauding old ladies, it was causing a traffic jam.
Normal car traffic blocks ambulances all the time, and yet no one seems to consider it a crime punishable by 5 years. Meanwhile, a woman kills a cyclist with her car and gets a suspended sentence. Canada is on fire. Greece is on fire. Bulgaria, Italy, North Macedonia, Turkey, Spain, and Portugal are all on fire. How many ambulances-worth of people do you think are going to die as a result?
And spare me the “he’s a hypocrite 'cause he flew in a plane” pearl-clutching. He knows, as I’m sure you do that you don’t fix climate change through individual action. Sure it feels nice to be all self-righteous and forego luxuries provided by bad energy policy, but real change comes through legislation that taxes the hell out of flying — you know, like JSO is demanding but for which our elected leaders would rather ignore because it’d be unpopular.
Being stuck in a traffic jam is very different to purposely causing one and purposely blocking an ambulance, with intent to kill. You are a psychopath if you think otherwise.
You don’t think purposely blocking ambulances should be a crime? That’s fucked up.
And spare me the “he’s a hypocrite 'cause he flew in a plane” pearl-clutching.
No. Here he is being against people being in ambulances, while he feels it’s fine for him to fly around the world, while at the same time saying that poor people (and only poor people!) shouldn’t be allowed to fly.
Just more class warfare from upper class toffs who hate the poor. It’s absolutely repulsive. Hope he has a good think about how much of a POS he is while he’s in prison.
Yes. Class warfare. From someone who believes rich people should be able to fly around frivolously, but wants to stop poor people from being able to do it at all.
If it wasn’t class warfare, it would be something like a yearly flight allowance for each individual. Not a “sorry poors, you can’t fly, but the rich can. Maybe pull yourself up by the bootstraps?”
We aren’t talking “yOu’rE a hYpOcRiTe bEcAuSe yOu’Re aGAinSt cLiMatE ChAnGe bUt hAvE a GaS sToVe” — we’re talking someone who flies around frivolously (the most environmentally damaging thing you can do), including 6000km+ to attend a wedding, while at the same time saying it should be fine for him to do so, because he’s wealthy. It’s just the poor people that shouldn’t be allowed.
I suppose the dirty working class scum just shouldn’t have a holiday abroad every 5 years, they need to make sacrifices so that the wealthy can fly around in private jets or take a 6000km flight to a wedding.
It’s disgusting. And even more repulsive are people who say they’re left wing but celebrate open attacks like that on the working class.
You understand?
Also, do you still think purposely blocking an ambulance and saying you intend for any person inside to die is the same as being stuck in morning traffic in the car/bus on the way to work? Because if so we’re done here. That’s the view of a terrorist. People shouldn’t be killed just because the ambulance that turned up to save them has a combustion engine.
Oh get off that narrative. The guy was certifiable he literally told the judge that he would commit more crimes when released what exactly was going to happen. Stop with these victim complex, everything that happened to him was 100% his fault.
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