The entire US culture that the world sees is a lie. Anyone who lives or has visited is aware, but all these other people watch movies and think American is some magical land.
Nah, wealth is just built on slavery and opression.
Modern day slavery in jails and low wages tied to healthcare.
I’m planning on starting the emigration process within the next few years because it’s starting to become obvious that the US will never get its shit together. Too many selfish hypocrites holding things back. I understand that the grass isn’t always greener, but I’m confident that it will at least taste better with those sweet sweet European social services.
Specifically, it seems the school was explicitly told to target a single student in order for opening a way for the Governor to challenge the CROWN act in courts. It’s pure political maneuvering. Picking scapegoats and destroying individuals to advance racists agendas.
It sounds like there have been a few other code of conduct violations and the schools issue with his hair style was the final straw. Who knows if the previous “violations of the code” were also rooted in racism, but either way, a hair style should never be the ultimate reason someone is expelled unless they’ve purposefully shaved an offensive slurr into their hair.
Looks like it’s part of a uniform requirement. It’s part of the “make them all look the same, that will stop bad behavior”.
Public school shouldn’t be that way and it’s stupid in general. I went to “management school” for most of my middle school years and they did that to stop kids from fighting over colors and shit. Kinda made sense there though because we were all “bad apples”.
This is how america is destroying its youth and their future just because they refuse to comply with their racist demands. This is how the entire world sees america.
Well have fun judging an entire country based on a shit tier school in one of our most shit tier red states. What utopia free of all racism are you from?
Texas, in this case, is actually siding with the student through the CROWN-Act that was specifically adopted because of court cases over hairstyles that damn school already lost before.
Isn’t this in Texas or somewhere equally as shitty? They would have sent him to prison for his hair if they could have. School to prison pipeline is real.
Texas passed the CROWN-act to combat hair-based racial discrimination because that very same school already lost two cases where they discriminated black youths because of their hair.
So if it was some freaky white chick with pink and purple hair all over the place would it be racist then? Because those policies apply to them too. Don’t be ignorant.
So if it was some freaky white chick with pink and purple hair all over the place would it be racist then? Because those policies apply to them too. Don’t be ignorant.
Okay, where are the white kids being penalized by this rule?
It doesn’t matter if “these rules apply to white kids” if they are only actually applied to poc.
Happens all the time, except that doesn’t make the news, because they’re white, so even if they get suspended, or totally expelled, it’s not new worthy. Nobody cares if a white kid is punished, or for that fact if a white person is killed by a black cop. Racism would almost never be accused, even by the white people. All that said, My niece is one of them. She’s in her punk/rocker phase and her crazy multi color hair has had her private school pissed off a handful of times, and yes, at one point suspension was threatened and my brother and sisnlaw had to go to the school (also private). My brother threatened them with better stuff and it sort of went a way, but still ongoing. Private schools do plenty of stupid shit, they don’t care whether you’re black or white, they want everybody to fall in line with their rules, which many times are complete bullshit.
Of course it’s not, because she’s white. If she was black there would have been racial accusations and that’s what you want, so you can cry racist. Thanks for proving my point.
“She hasn’t been suspended because she’s white” is definately not the argument you think it is.
(Yes, I know that wasn’t your intention but man, be careful how to word things maybe.)
Let’s take a look at the 2 situations here:
Situation 1:
POC going to a public school being disciplined due to their hair style.
Situation 2:
White kid going to a private school threatened with discipline due to their hair style, but not actually disciplined in any way just because their parents went in to talk to them.
I don’t know how any rational person looks at these and thinks “totally the same thing.”
Aside from the fact, you’re quoting "totally the same thing.” Which I never said, you’re ignoring the exact same situation, yet dismissing one because it had a better outcome, no thanks to my brother, simple because of race. You’re clearly tip toeing which is pretty damn obvious with Situation 1 being about a “POC”, yet situation 2 is a “white kid”, why not a black kid? Why not a Caucasian? Finny, how the stupid PC terms only come out for one side? Also why should I “be careful” how I worded something? The PC police coming for me?
The entire point is that literally the same dipshit rule exists, public and private, and kids get shit over it, and when one side if better at out arguing the school and it drops, it’s because of race, nothing else, which ignores the common sense that if that were truly the driver, then my niece wouldn’t have had that problem to begin with, but again… MAKE IT abuot race!
Right, I’m the one making unrelated things about race when you just spent a paragraph bitching about “POC” and “white” being used which is completely irrelevant. Go ahead and swap them for “black” and “caucasian”, it makes no difference to my post.
dismissing one because it had a better outcome, no thanks to my brother, simple because of race.
So are you arguing that this student’s parents didn’t go talk to the principal? Or do they need to get your brother specifically to talk to the principal, as he is the only one that can convince them to not enforce the rules for a specific student?
and when one side if better at out arguing the school and it drops
Oh, I see. The white family just happens to be better at arguing it than the black family. The black family that has hired a lawyer. To argue it.
Man, your brother should look into getting a law degree.
If they’re irellevant why’d you use them them then? I also never said anything about white or black being better than the other with arguing , and insure ass shit never said anybody else, let alone them should use MY brother, save me your pitiful dramatics. Some people are better than others at that shit, YOU are the one thats now for the second time made it about the race, and not the underlying cause. Thanks for proving my point.
If they’re irellevant why’d you use them them then?
Whether I used black or poc or white or caucasian is irrelevant. You’re the one that went on a rant about the fact that I used one instead of the other. I just used appropriate words.
Some people are better than others at that shit,
They HIRED A LAWYER. A professional at “that shit.” Spare me your dramatics.
YOU are the one thats now for the second time made it about the race
Because that is the only salient difference here.
Thanks for proving my point.
Do you think that’s punctuation in an argument or something?
“Signed: Sincerely yours, thanks for proving my point, racism doesn’t exist.”
Whether I used black or poc or white or caucasian is irrelevant. You’re the one that went on a rant about the fact that I used one instead of the other. I just used appropriate words.
Ah, the "appropriate one, gotcha. Because it’s not appropriate to call a black person black, because it’s not PC right?
They HIRED A LAWYER. A professional at “that shit.” Spare me your dramatics.
Point out the “dramatics” of saying some people are better at arguing than others. Hiring a lawyer is literally proof of that.
Because that is the only salient difference here.
One that you’re going out of your way to prove, I made the comparison based on rules and event that followed, not the color of the kids skin.
“Signed: Sincerely yours, thanks for proving my point, racism doesn’t exist.”
Quote where I said racism doesn’t exist, you’re proof that it does.
Ah, the "appropriate one, gotcha. Because it’s not appropriate to call a black person black, because it’s not PC right?
I use an appropriate word. More than 1 word can be appropriate for a given situation. “Why did you say ’ call a black person black,’ instead of ‘refer to a black person as black,’? Is ‘refer’ TOO PC FOR YOU?!?!?!?!?” is just as absurd as this nonsense you’re on about. I’m done with this nonsense you’re using to distract from your lack of coherent argument.
Point out the “dramatics”
These dramatics:
it had a better outcome, no thanks to my brother, simple because of race
Again, if your brother is that amazing he should get a law degree.
and insure ass shit never said anybody else, let alone them should use MY brother
(I think you mean “I’m sure as shit”? Which would still be grammatically incorrect.)
Hiring a lawyer is literally proof of that.
So if they both had someone “better at this shit” argue for them, what other difference can we find that might account for the different outcome?
<span style="color:#323232;">Because that is the only salient difference here.
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One that you’re going out of your way to prove
Yes? The original argument, that I am arguing, is that this is a result of racism. Do you know how arguments work? If my core argument is “this is racist” then my supporting arguments are going to also point out how this is racist. I’m not going to veer off into talking about how one time, at work, my brother talked to his boss and got a raise, because it’s irrelevant to what I am arguing.
<span style="color:#323232;">“Signed: Sincerely yours, thanks for proving my point, racism doesn’t exist.”
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Quote where I said racism doesn’t exist, you’re proof that it does.
Oh sorry, I guess I should have had you sign off with “Racism only ever exists against white people”:
Happens all the time, except that doesn’t make the news, because they’re white, so even if they get suspended, or totally expelled, it’s not new worthy. Nobody cares if a white kid is punished, or for that fact if a white person is killed by a black cop.
Signed, Sincerely, thank you for proving my point,
No, he wasn’t. Barbers Hill is part of an Independent school district. Public Money, Privately run by a board of trustees, not the county. Not the same as regular county public schools.
They’re not doing him a favor by sending him to whatever passes for a “disciplinary alternative education program” in Texas though. Sounds like they’re trying to stick him on the fast track in the school-to-prison pipeline.
The problem is largely the structure of our democracy. The left shows up, they showed up more in the last decade than they ever have. And we’re still sliding backward.
Because the way our idiotic system works, the number of people that show up matter less than the zip code they show up in.
I’d love to see what a liberal asshole politician would look like, but i can’t see it working out today. As much as the right blows wokeism out of proportion, PC culture is still a thing in a lot of liberal areas, and if you’re not PC as a liberal politician I imagine you’ll offend the more sensitive parts of your own base. Didn’t Bernie Sanders get hit with some of that? And he wasn’t even that assholeish, he just showed a spine.
Ilhan Omar’s treatment of a woman asking for her political support in opposition to female genital mutilation was pretty close to being a liberal asshole politician (or it revealed her to be trying to have her cake and eat it; namely, that she takes positions designed to get liberal support, and simultaneously strategically acts like a regressive when it comes to FGM to get support from African hijabis and other Islamists).
I’m openly curious how well a “liberal” minded individual who isn’t afraid to be an asshole would be received.
Speaking from experience here, people will actively, and sometimes collectively, attack you for it. They’ll gang up on you online. They’ll openly and often violently bully you in real life. They’ll even abuse the legal system to get rid of you if they are angry enough at you.
Being an asshole towards shitty people (and the vast majority of humans are shitty people, myself included) is very VERY enlightening on how our rights and our laws are just a thin veneer covering what really governs our lives, and that is our feelings. Most humans could give a fuck less about logic, facts or the truth; they only care about their emotions and what they want because they are only connected to the real world through their emotions, not their minds.
Humans are no better than base animals and being willing to be a horrifying House-level dick towards those you think are deserving demonstrates this, really handily.
It doesn’t surprise me that poor young man was forced to go to an alternate school where the diploma he’ll get won’t be as respected by the colleges he’ll apply to. He probably told them off for being so blatantly racist and, in their hurt, they kicked him out.
Are we kowtowing to a miniscule minority? The only kowtowing I personally observe are academic institutions within states with GOP-dominated legislatures and courts. K-12 schools in progressive areas within such states have to tread carefully to keep the man off their back, and public universities have to carefully craft their language relating to research and programs. But largely it’s a semantic game, where the substance doesn’t change but the language used is toned down to avoid attention of asshats. Similar to any research related to human sexuality when there’s a Republican president in the White House and the NIS/NIH leadership is dominated by GOP appointees - they don’t change the research, but they absolutely rework the language used to describe the project.
Can’t imagine my school making international news, especially with something as pathetic. It reads like a bad Onion article. Barber High having a strict hair code? WTF. And this story goes for months, and it’s not the first time, and it’s real. How? Everything screams stupid fiction there, and yet that’s what happens in a small town in Texas. Idk if they did that out of racism or boredom, but come on, I read about this comical idiocy from the opposite side of the globe. I can’t imagine what’s going through the mind of this school’s admin.
Out of curiosity, how are the students and his peers taking it? Apathetic? Indifferent? Upset? Protesting?
I have been trying to get a better understanding of your generation as I am working with a lot of Gen Z right now. Sometimes I am frustrated when it comes to, at least to me, a lack of technological skills, but that isn’t what I am really asking. I just wonder how things look socially.
It’s baffling to me, that the US always claims to be the champion of freedom, but runs most of their education like part-time prison camps. My school here in Germany didn’t give a crap about anyone’s appearance. If you’re street legal, you’re fine in school.
Well, it’s because they have to prepare us for prison as an adult. Wait until you find out that American schools are largely funded by property taxes. Which means rich neighborhoods that pay more in property taxes have generally way better schools than poor neighborhoods.
The United States is like a villain from a scooby doo episode. In every episode the “monster” is a person of color, or illegal immigrant, or an LGBTQ person. But when they catch the “monster” and pull its mask off. It’s old man US government every god damn time.
That’s because you were raised to be a functioning member of society with enough tools to potentially succeed or excel.
They were raised to fail upward while grifting and scamming on the side while fighting for the opportunity to be a wageslave and entering a lottery to be successful. Or risk prison and become an actual slave as allowed in their constitution.
I’m hearing these and similar stories from all over the country.
It’s not just about schools, either, but also colleges and education in general. And if you think about it, a lot of life too. Jaywalking for example. That’s a crime that simply does not exist elsewhere.
In an Episode of the Youtube series Under the Blacklight, David Blight, a Yale professor brought something up that I think brings the American idea of “freedom” into a different context. He says “This whole new idea of what’s liberty and liberty for whom, can also kill. Especially when it replaces the idea of Liberty as that which has to be shared in some kind of common good.”
The idea isn’t really new and is actually deeply rooted in America’s past through to it’s creation. Freedom should be a group concept in which we maximize freedom for the populace. Instead it’s seen as individual freedom only. When you combine this with the idea that freedom is the most important thing, it results in people coming to the conclusion that they are justified in anything in the process of attaining what they want. And they’ll use whatever tools they have available to attain this in as straight a path as they can.
America has always been a champion of personal freedom, whatever they say. It’s founding was about a bunch of business men who didn’t want to pay taxes so they staged a rebellion. There’s still a heavy bent against taxes with the main argument being people don’t want the government to have any power, but really it’s because individuals just want to keep their money while disregarding the ways in which that money would improve the good for all people. At it’s core America is a Selfish nation built of selfishness and getting yours before someone else takes it.
It gets more a little complicated when talking about motives of those in power, but boils down to the same, and they retain that power primarily by banging the “personal freedoms” drum.
To quote famed Discworld philosopher Granny Weatherwax,
“There’s no grays, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.” “It’s a lot more complicated than that–” “No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.” “Oh, I’m sure there are worse crimes–” “But they starts with thinking about people as things…”
I generally agree that that freedom in the US is mostly seen as ‘my personal right to do anything I want’.
But that’s exactly what is being restricted here. An individual’s personal freedom to wear the hairstyle they want.
So how does that explain the restrictiveness of US schools?
Because that individual doesn’t have the power to enforce their personal freedom. The Principal does have the power to enforce their idea of what the “correct” look is. The principal isn’t concerned about raising conditions for the group in actuality, they just want reality to conform to their idea of what they desire it to be. For them, it’s within their rights to their own freedom to bring everything that makes them uncomfortable to heel. Anything that they don’t like is an affront to their personal freedom to make everyone do what they want.
Except skydaddy psychos think they do have more rights to impose their rules and beliefs over others, which is an active attack to other’s rights. So no, on publicly funded institutions, skydaddy has no place and shouldn’t be allowed in.
Get out of here with your stupid “freedumb of eshpreshon!” Separation of church and state is a pillar of democratic, tolerant and peaceful societies. That means, no religion in public schools. No one is stopping anyone from being as religious and practice whatever they want in their home, or even in public on the street. But as soon as they put a feet on a publicly funded institution, they must abide by the law above all. Not the mandates of their imaginary friend. Freedom of expression doesn’t mean free from public responsibility.
Funny, aside from clearly not understanding what the separation of church and state is, now you’re going on about abiding by the law above all, yet above calling just that a racist agenda.
People on this site: no one has any right to tell me what to do unless they explain the rule and I agree at that moment. If I change my mind the rule changes. I am a free person and my whims veto any law.
Also people on this site: fuck this person for wanting to quitely decide what clothing to wear.
Wrong, religion has no place being TAUGHT in a public education setting, a student wearing a religious symbol should 100% be allowed to. That’s literally what religious freedom is, kinda one of our founding principles. Don’t confuse religious freedom with the separation of church and state.
but runs most of their education like part-time prison camps
Feel free to back that one up, a foreigner that’s never gone to school here a day in your life.
My school here in Germany didn’t give a crap about anyone’s appearance. If you’re street legal, you’re fine in school.
And that’s the way it is here 99% of the time, this is a private school in an independent school district, they have crazy rules and it’s usually rich preppy kids going to them that all walk around like clones of each other. This isn’t a race thing, it’s a convenience thing where EVERYTHING is about race, especially when it’s not. You’d know that if you live in this country. This tactic is nothing new.
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