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yogthos ,
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Literally one of the safest sources of energy production in existence.

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visualcapitalist.com/…/charted-safest-and-deadlie…

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We obviously will have to address the problem of capitalism sooner than later.

yogthos OP ,
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He literally put out a peace deal days ago that the west rejected.

yogthos OP ,
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And that time will be when Russia wins the war decisively.

yogthos OP ,
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The reality is that Russia is winning the war, and every day that goes by puts Ukraine and its western sponsors in a worse position. The terms will only get worse from here on out.

yogthos OP ,
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Ukraine will lose more territory going forward, that’s the fact of the situation. Russia is winning the war, and it’s pretty clear that the west is not able to do anything about it.

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No, they’re referring to the ethnic cleansing

yogthos OP ,
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Russia is being diplomatic, but if nobody wants to do diplomacy on the other end then they’re obviously going to take what they want by force at that point. Not sure what’s so hard to understand here.

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Ukraine has repeatedly used cluster munitions on civilians. They literally just did it in Crimea a day ago.

If the victims are describing themselves as Ukrainian, which ethnicity is Ukraine cleansing here in your opinion?

Maybe read up on how Ukraine was put together by USSR and what ethnicities live there.

I’m sure you will understand that watching an hour-long documentary is not a reasonable expectation to respond to a fediverse comment.

If you think that spending an hour to educate yourself on a subject you’re debating is too much time, it’s pretty clear you don’t actually care to understand the subject.

Literally none of these links are about ethnic cleansing. War crimes? Possibly. Use of particularly nasty weapons? Yes. Ethnic cleansing? No.

That hour long video you refuse to watch documents ethnic cleansing in great detail. This is literally why the eastern regions wanted to separate in the first place.

There’s also the crucial problem that none of them are about anything from before the Donbas war started, so they are not an explanation for separatism in Donbas or Luhansk. This does not actually address anything brought up.

Here’s a whole lecture you can watch on the problems that led to separatism www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

yogthos OP ,
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I don’t think you understand what’s happening here. Either the west decides to start negotiating or there won’t be an Ukraine left. Those are the options on the table.

yogthos OP ,
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Yeah it is when you are in a position of power. This is precisely how NATO has been conducting diplomacy with Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

yogthos OP ,
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It’s interesting how people who want the war to keep going are calling people who want the war to stop war mongers.

yogthos OP ,
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I’m just explaining to you how the real world works here. That said, Russia gave Ukraine way more chances than US gave any of the countries it invaded.

yogthos OP ,
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The west of Ukraine has a choice to work with Russia to resolve this or to wait for Russia to win militarily and dictate terms. I’m still not sure what part of this you’re struggling with.

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War is an extension of diplomacy. The difference is that Russia is actually offering terms to Ukraine where US did not oll.libertyfund.org/…/clausewitz-war-as-politics-…

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“Using cluster munitions” still does not equal “ethnic cleansing”

Nobody made the argument that simply using cluster munitions equals ethnic cleansing on its own.

Eastern Ukraine is not 100% ethnically Russian

It is predominantly ethnically Russian, and those are the people who are being targeted.

“Educate yourself on a subject” does not equal “reply to a social media comment”. I said the latter was not worth one hour, not the former. This is an extremely bad faith response to what I said.

Bad faith is arguing about something you have no understanding of and wasting everyone’s time.

See the thing is you put it alongside five other sources which you also said showed ethnic cleansing, but they did nothing of the sort. As such I see no reason to believe you on this.

See this is what a bad faith argument looks like.

Yes, I know the Mearsheimer lecture. It is not about ethnic cleansing. So why are you bringing it up to back up your claim about ethnic cleansing?

Clearly you didn’t watch the lecture if you need to ask that question as it clearly explains the demographics in Ukraine, and why eastern regions decided to separate which is the ethnic cleansing that western backed fascists started doing after the coup in 2014. They weren’t hiding it either

www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=aHWHqj8g7Bk

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You can interpret it whatever way you like.

yogthos OP ,
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Putin is using basic diplomacy, and has been trying to do that for 8 whole years before the war started. That’s what Minsk agreements were about. Then two months into the war Russia almost had a deal with Ukraine that the west tanked. Even NYT has publicly admitted to this nytimes.com/…/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-deal.html

Now, Russia has put out another peace deal based on the realities on the ground today. The west immediately rejected it again. Yet, it turns out that it’s Putin who is willing to kill millions instead of using basic diplomacy. Interesting logic you’ve got going there.

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It’s pretty clear that everyone does not want the war to stop given that the west has rejected multiple offers to stop the war. You’re right that the war can only stop if the west stops blocking the peace process.

yogthos OP ,
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Saying “they’re doing ethnic cleansing” and backing it up with a link that’s just “they’re using cluster munitions” is literally exactly this

That’s not what I did, and you just cherry picked this out of the sources I gave you.

The point I was making was that the only person who described themselves in terms of identity in that link called himself Ukrainian. This makes it very poor evidence for Ukraine targeting ethnic Russians.

Apparently you don’t understand the difference between nationality and ethnicity.

The fact that there are a bunch of ethnic Russians living in that part is not evidence of ethnic cleansing by Ukraine.

The fact that people of Donbas rose up against the regime and have been fighting it for the past 8 years is proof of that.

So your position is that the ethnic cleansing happened in the ~two months between Yanukovych fleeing Ukraine in February and the declarations of the DPR and LPR in April?

No, but obviously all you know how to do is to make ridiculous straw man arguments.

I’ve said all I need to say here, and it’s pretty clear that you’re just going to keep regurgitating your talking points, so further discussion is not going to be productive. Bye.

yogthos OP ,
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It’s pretty clear that Ukraine was close to taking the original offer before Bojo was rushed in to sabotage it. It’s also clear that the only reason war is continuing is because of the west.

The question you should ask yourself at the end of all this is what the west managed to achieve. Russia will win the war, Ukraine will be forced to accept far worse terms than are currently on the table. In that time many more people will die and have their lives ruined. I guess people like you think this a good outcome.

yogthos ,
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This is a perfect illustration of why socialist governments must be AuthOriTariAn.

yogthos OP ,
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lol because it’s a puppet regime of the US

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Yeah think so.

yogthos OP ,
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wonder how many of them will have to come back in wooden boxes for burgerlanders to start to care

yogthos OP ,
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Biden is basically a suicide bomber.

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it’s literally this

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yogthos OP ,
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The volunteering aspect does take the heat off the government.

yogthos OP ,
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When they overthrew the democratically elected government and put fascists in charge.

yogthos ,
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No matter how many times you repeat this Russia isn’t going to stop the war. That’s been obvious for two years to anyone with a functioning brain. The fact that psycho wasps want to turn this war into a nuclear holocaust is just incredible.

yogthos ,
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literally everyone who is not an imbecile

yogthos ,
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The idiots attacking first strike detection infrastructure. Amazing this needs to be spelled out.

yogthos ,
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Attacking first strike detection isn’t the provocation

The fact that you genuinely believe this really says all we need to know about your intellectual capacity.

yogthos ,
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Also, according to the genius logic there Ukraine is using cluster munitions to bomb their own civilians since these clowns claim that Crimea is Ukrainian.

yogthos ,
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Given that Ukraine has no qualms murdering them, it’s no surprise that people actually living in Crimea overwhelmingly voted to join Russia. Funny how westerners only care about self determination when it suits them.

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Another aspect of the problem is that people making the decision of what programs to use don’t actually have to use them.

yogthos ,
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yup

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