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Even_Adder ,

How to safely move a live wire.

Even_Adder , (edited )

Cory Doctorow wrote a good article about this a little while back.

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The point is that It’s not an activity you can force someone to pay for. Everyone that can run models on their own can benefit, and that group can expand with time as research makes it more feasible on more devices. But that can never come to pass if we destroy the rights that allow us to make observations and analyze data.

counting words and measuring pixels are not activities that you should need permission to perform, with or without a computer, even if the person whose words or pixels you’re counting doesn’t want you to. You should be able to look as hard as you want at the pixels in Kate Middleton’s family photos, or track the rise and fall of the Oxford comma, and you shouldn’t need anyone’s permission to do so.

Creating an individual bargainable copyright over training will not improve the material conditions of artists’ lives – all it will do is change the relative shares of the value we create, shifting some of that value from tech companies that hate us and want us to starve to entertainment companies that hate us and want us to starve.

Even_Adder ,

Creating same-y pieces with AI will not improve the material conditions of artists’ lives, either. All that does is drag everyone down in a race to the bottom on who can churn out the most dreck the most quickly. “If we advance the technology enough, everybody can have it on their device and make as much AI-generated crap as they like” does not secure stable futures for artists.

If you’re worried about labor issues, use labor law to improve your conditions. Don’t deny regular people access to a competitive, corporate-independent tool for creativity, education, entertainment, and social mobility for your monetary gain.

Art ain’t just a good; it’s self-expression, communication, inspiration, joy – rights that belong to every human being. The kind of people wanting to relegate such a significant part of the human experience to a domain where only the few can benefit aren’t the kind of people that want things to get better. They want to become the proverbial boot. The more people can participate in these conversations, the more we can all learn.

I understand that you are passionate about this topic, and that you have strong opinions. However, insults, and derisive language aren’t helping this discussion. They only create hostility and resentment, and undermine your credibility. If you’re interested, we can continue our discussion in good faith, but if your next comment is like this one, I won’t be replying.

Even_Adder ,

So the question that comes to mind is exactly how, on a practical level, it would work to make sure that when a company scrapes data, trains and AI, and then makes billions of dollars, the thousands or millions of people who created the data all get a cut after the fact. Because particularly in the creative sector, a lot of people are freelancers who don’t have a specific employer they can go after. From a purely practical perspective, paying artists before the data is used makes sure all those freelancers get paid. Waiting until the company makes a profit, taxing it out of them, and then distributing it to artists doesn’t seem practical to me.

This isn’t labor law.

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I don’t think they have to, the point is to fight against regression of public rights for the benefit of the few.

Even_Adder ,

I’m not fighting for the extremely wealthy, I’m fighting for the existence of competitive open source models. Something that can’t happen with what you’ve proposed. That would just hand corporations a monopoly of a public technology by making it prohibitively expensive to for regular people to keep up with the megacorporations that already own vast troves of data and can afford to buy even more.

This article by Katherine Klosek, the director of information policy and federal relations at the Association of Research Libraries does a good job of explaining what I’m talking about.

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Taking artists’ work without consent or compensation goes against the spirit of open source, though, doesn’t it?

It doesn’t. Making observations about others’ works is a well-established tool for any researchers, reviewers, and people inventing new works. A concept which work perfectly within the open source framework. That’s all these models are, original analysis of its training set in comparison with one another. Because it’s a step one must necessarily take when doing anything, doing this doesn’t require anyone’s permission and is itself a right we all have.

Even_Adder ,

Giving all people a tool to help them more effectively communicate, express themselves, learn, and come together is something everyone should get behind.

I firmly believe in the public’s right to access and use information, while acknowledging artists should retain specific rights over their creations. I also accept that the rights they don’t retain have always enabled ethical self-expression and productive dialogue.

Imagine if copyright owners had the power to simply remove whatever wasn’t profitable for them from existence. We’d be hindering critical functions such as critique, investigation, reverse engineering, and even the simple cataloging of knowledge. In place of all that good, we’d have an ideal world for those with money, tyrants, and all those who seek control, and the undermining of the free exchange of ideas.

Even_Adder ,

This isn’t undermining artists, it’s expanding access and knowledge, enabling individuals to take control of their own destinies. Open-source AI will empower artists, existing artists and newly active or returning artists who give this new medium a shot, by giving them the new tools that will push the frontiers of self-expression and redefine creativity this decade.

100 years ago photographers and filmmakers significantly disrupted the careers of most illustrators, story tellers, and theater companies of the time. Despite this, storytelling and image making exploded, entering a new golden age. Musicians panicked over the use of synthesizers in the 80s too often refusing to work with people involved with synthesizers. As a result, there are fewer drummers today than in 1970, but out of that came hip hop and house. Suppressing that tool would have been a huge cultural loss. Generative art hasn’t found its Marley Marl or Frankie Knuckles yet, but they’re out there, and they’re going to do stuff that will blow our minds. Cutting edge tools and techniques have always propelled art and artists forward. Every advancement a leap forward, leaving behind constraints and enabling more people to pursue their creative aspirations.

That reminds me of a presentation I saw a little while back.

If you want to fight against people’s right to freely communicate and express themselves, be my guest, but it’s not a fight you can win.

Even_Adder ,

If it’s the same one from a few months ago, the wording is so vague that only huge companies with legal departments will be able to navigate the compliance maze they’ve set up.

eff.org/…/generative-ai-policy-must-be-precise-ca…

Even_Adder ,

I saw an interesting video about image classifiers yesterday.

Even_Adder ,

Check out Civitai for Stable Diffusion models. I’m not quite sure which model they are using, but you may be able to find something on there.

Also, there’s a Stable Diffusion community at !stable_diffusion. If you make a thread there we can help you find what model they use or something similar.

Even_Adder ,

The model should be capable of much better than this, but they spent a long time censoring the model before release and this is what we got. It straight up forgot most human anatomy.

Even_Adder ,

You should read this article by Kit Walsh, a senior staff attorney at the EFF, and this one by Cory Doctorow.

Hackers Target AI Users With Malicious Stable Diffusion Tool on Github to Protest 'Art Theft' (www.404media.co)

A group of hackers that says it believes “AI-generated artwork is detrimental to the creative industry and should be discouraged” is hacking people who are trying to use a popular interface for the AI image generation software Stable Diffusion with a malicious extension for the image generator interface shared on Github....

Even_Adder ,

You’ve got it backwards. Glaze and Nightshade aren’t FOSS and Ben Zhao, the University of Chicago professor behind them stole GPLv3 code for glaze. GPLv3 is a copyleft license that requires you share your source code and license your project under the same terms as the code you used. You also can’t distribute your project as a binary-only or proprietary software. When pressed, they only released the code for their front end, remaining in violation of the terms of the GPLv3 license.

Moreover, Nightshade and Glaze also only works against open source models, because the only open models are Stable Diffusion’s, companies like Midjourney and OpenAI with closed source models aren’t affected by this. Attacking a tool that the public can inspect, collaborate on, and offer free of cost isn’t something that should be celebrated.

Even_Adder ,

Have you read this article by Cory Doctorow yet?

Even_Adder ,

You sayin’ you don’t want any of this?

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Even_Adder ,

Mobile Suit Gundam Hathaway

Even_Adder ,

They’re not good, but there are some Hajime no Ippo games like Punch Out for GBA.

Even_Adder ,

simonwillison.net/2024/…/training-not-chatting/

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I hope this’ll be useful for me. I wonder how it compares to LLaVA?

Even_Adder ,

This article didn’t elaborate much further than what was in the headline. I feel duped.

Even_Adder ,

Here’s an old Digital Foundry roundtable where Bryan Catanzaro, Vice President of Applied Deep Learning Research at Nvidia, talks about this kind of stuff.

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I remember the testers telling it to hire someone. It didn’t come up with that plan on its own.

Even_Adder ,

Is that Van Gogh?

The ugly truth behind ChatGPT: AI is guzzling resources at planet-eating rates (www.theguardian.com)

Despite its name, the infrastructure used by the “cloud” accounts for more global greenhouse emissions than commercial flights. In 2018, for instance, the 5bn YouTube hits for the viral song Despacito used the same amount of energy it would take to heat 40,000 US homes annually....

Even_Adder ,

What about this?

Even_Adder ,

It’s not a training data issue, look up Retrieval Augmented Generation. It’s basically serving up stuff on the web and taking it as gospel.

Even_Adder ,

This is real meme material.

Even_Adder ,

I saw an article the other day you might be interested in.

Even_Adder ,

The Fisherman’s Wife.

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As the photographic industry was the refuge of every would-be painter, every painter too ill-endowed or too lazy to complete his studies, this universal infatuation bore not only the mark of a blindness, an imbecility, but had also the air of a vengeance. I do not believe, or at least I do not wish to believe, in the absolute success of such a brutish conspiracy, in which, as in all others, one finds both fools and knaves; but I am convinced that the ill-applied developments of photography, like all other purely material developments of progress, have contrib­uted much to the impoverishment of the French artistic genius, which is already so scarce. It is nonetheless obvious that this industry, by invading the territories of art, has become art’s most mor­tal enemy, and that the confusion of their several func­tions prevents any of them from being properly fulfilled.

― Charles Baudelaire, On Photography, from The Salon of 1859

Even_Adder ,

This hasn’t been true for months at least. You really have to check week to week when dealing with things in this field.

Even_Adder ,

I don’t think it’s supposed to solve every problem. Just like very scene in the new Sand Land anime wasn’t 3D, the same goes for every other artistic tool. There are some things are easy with some tools, others it’s not well suited for.

What you have to ask yourself is what ways can it help you with what you’re trying to do.

Even_Adder ,

AI isn’t just LLMs.

Even_Adder ,

The article doesn’t mention LLMs, and many ML related things came out in the last year or two that aren’t LLMs.

Even_Adder ,

Do you have any source for those claims? There are plenty of better reasons to develop voice synthesis than replacing voice actors.

Even_Adder ,

Are you sure about that?

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I recently got into fighting games (like: kof - street fighters - Mortal Kombat - Guilty Gear…etc). Now you can pirate the game, and you can play it online with someone if the two of you agree on using same pirated copy and Hamachi for example, but where do you meet these people to play with? are there dedicated forums for...

Even_Adder ,

Have you heard of Fightcade?

Even_Adder ,

That bot isn’t what we would call AI these days.

Even_Adder ,

Drake is not a rapper.

Even_Adder ,

It’s not fair the developers take the heat for this. We should learn to find the right people to complain to.

Even_Adder ,

Make the dude do a flip.

Even_Adder ,

They worded the headline that way to scare you into that reaction. They’re only interested in telling you about the negative uses because that drives engagement.

Even_Adder ,

This is unnecessarily aggressive, I don’t need this today.

Even_Adder ,

I saw what you wrote before your edits. I’m not going to engage with people who talk like that. Good day.

Even_Adder ,

Don’t you like regulatory capture?

Even_Adder ,

Are there many stupid and petty people in education? 🤔

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