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DahGangalang ,

Yeah and I’ll bet you use Tau instead of Pi, don’t you, you human scum.

DahGangalang ,

I think there’s something to be said about shared cultural experiences, and so reading some older books is probably a good thing.

To clarify what I mean though: that means that we should be reading stuff that was written/popular when our grandparents were our age. Going back 200+ years should be saved for a history class cause that’s the real value in reading that material. In my opinion, Great Gatsby should be about the oldest book kids need to be reading for a literature class these days, and even that’s pushing it.

DahGangalang ,

This attempted contradiction doesn’t seem to counteract the above comment.

DahGangalang ,

pain receptors are distinct receptors in your body that don’t dull themselves after a while

Man, that’s some bullshit.

Come on Body, can’t you just have some, like, nice things that aren’t purely functional?

DahGangalang , (edited )

Liquor Bottle by Herbal T. Has a nice faux-upbeat rhythm with jazzy kinda beats, but lyrics.are dark. Definitely helps me keep a sane face on the dark days:

And that’s why / I keep a

A liquor bottle in the freezer ♪

In case I gotta take it out ♫

Mix me a drink

To help me

Forget all the things

In my life that I worry about ♪ ♫

DahGangalang ,

Man, I don’t know what right wingers y’all are talking about.

I come from a super right wing family and all them MFs think this is a bad idea too (though to be fair, they’re def on the conspiracy theory “everything is to get a microchip in my blood/brain” side of things).

DahGangalang ,

Ugh, yeah, that is a point of frustration I have with the family.

For them, it’s not so much “look what Musk is doing” so much as “look at how much better Twitter’s gotten”, which is particularly ripe cause none of them even use the platform. As I think on it, that probably means the big Fox talking heads are saying things like that.

I never got into Twitter myself (just never really understood / took to the format), which is kind of a shame cause I’d really like to be supporting Mastodon in this years surgance of the Fediverse.

DahGangalang ,

That’s interesting to hear. I wouldn’t have expected Europeans would have thought about ol’ Elon that much.

DahGangalang ,

Yeah, I hate how toxic just politics in general get. Like, it feels like any time anything political gets brought up, everyone leaves their good will and sense of humanity at the door, ya know?

I do enjoy how much tech-focused content is on Lemmy, but it also feels like there’s a higher concentration of toxic leftist type posts.

That’s definitely a thing I miss about the good ol’ reddit days: being able to scroll for days without seeing anything political. Or rather - being able to filter out all the political subs and not feeling like you were missing out on the larger conversation on the platform.

DahGangalang ,

I suppose my instinctive reaction isn’t to assume someone’s politics would determine how they react to Musk.

My first real assumption would be that tech/engineering types are the only ones who’d really think about him at all (in both directions). Like, I do have an uncle who occasionally brings him up whenever theirs news on SpaceX’s rockets (though usually this gets brought up in the context of “new technology sucks” and “what was wrong with the rockets that carried up Voyager” and such).

So yeah, I really don’t think I’d describe anyone as “gargling Elon’s cock” except those who still have good will for Tesla.

DahGangalang ,

Ugh, yeah, I don’t hate the guy, but I also think that anyone who still thinks he’s a visionary hasn’t actually been paying attention to his work/how his companies are going lately.

DahGangalang ,

So I love that this meme is detailed enough to have the older guy’s arm partially block his name tag.

…but I’m disappointed that, in spite of such details elsewhere, there’s a misspelt word.

The dichotomy is making my bones itch.

DahGangalang ,

But feal there maey be a does of misspelt words in your setnence thoungh

DahGangalang ,

No, Freezing to death while drinking porridge together

DahGangalang ,

Eh, better to celebrate those who could keep up than to fret over those who couldn’t.

DahGangalang ,

Let’s not lose sight of the important part:

That they’re plotting it together

DahGangalang ,

mUh FaMiLy!!1!

DahGangalang , (edited )

This thread really has brought out some real crazies.

But you sir are, in fact, a demon among men.

DahGangalang ,

I mean, our side is totally good with peace.

But by God(s), have you seen what The Other Guys™ are like? How could peace loving, respectable, and respectful abide while such villains attack/persecute/ridicule us?

It’s not our fault; they made us do it.

/s

DahGangalang ,

Even with my down vote, your vote count is still positive, which disproves your point (I think?)

DahGangalang ,

There is literally no opinion to OP’s opinion

DahGangalang ,

For the record comp sci major here.

So I understand all that but my counter point: can we prove by empirical measure that humans operate in a way that is significantly different? (If there is, I would love to know because I was cornered by a similar talking point when making a similar argument some weeks ago)

DahGangalang ,

Point of further support: Hawaiians have a weird (to us haoles) love of Las Vegas, going as far as to call it “the Ninth Island”. I mean, if you live on a tropical paradise, where are you supposed to go for vacation?

And Elvis is (or at least has a rep as being) super popular and iconic in Vegas. I could definitely see some of that influence back flowing from the Ninth Island back to Hawaii.

DahGangalang ,

I suppose everyone is entitled to an opinion, no matter how wrong it is.

DahGangalang , (edited )

I have to say no, I can’t.

The best decision I could make is a guess based on the logic I’ve determined from my own experiences that I would then compare and contrast to the current input.

I will say that “current input” for humans seems to be more broad than what is achievable for AI and the underlying mechanism that lets us assemble our training set (read as: past experiences) into useful and usable models appears to be more robust than current tech, but to the best of my ability to explain it, this appears to be a comparable operation to what is happening with the current iterations of LLM/AI.

Ninjaedit: spelling

DahGangalang ,

and exercise caution when you’re unsure

I don’t think that fully encapsulates a counter point, but I think that has the beginnings of a solid counter point to the argument I’ve laid out above (again, it’s not one I actually devised, just one that really put me on my heels).

The ability to recognize when it’s out of its depth does not appear to be something modern “AI” can handle.

As I chew on it, I can’t help but wonder what it would take to have AI recognize that. It doesn’t feel like it should be difficult to have a series of nodes along the information processing matrix to track “confidence levels”. Though, I suppose that’s kind of what is happening when the creators of these projects try to keep their projects from processing controversial topics. It’s my understanding those instances act as something of a short circuit where (if you will) when confidence “that I’m allowed to walk about this” drops below a certain level, the AI will spit out a canned response vs actually attempting to process input against the model.

The above is intended ad more a brain dump than a coherent argument. You’ve given me something to chew on, and for that I thank you!

DahGangalang ,

Yes? I think that depends on your specific definition and requirements of a turing machine, but I think it’s fair to compare the almagomation of cells that is me to the “AI” LLM programs of today.

While I do think that the complexity of input, output, and “memory” of LLM AI’s is limited in current iterations (and thus makes it feel like a far comparison to “human” intelligence), I do think the underlying process is fundamentally comparable.

The things that make me “intelligent” are just a robust set of memories, lessons, and habits that allow me to assimilate new information and experiences in a way that makes sense to (most of) the people around me. (This is abstracting away that this process is largely governed by chemical reactions, but considering consciousness appears to be just a particularly complicated chemistry problem reinforces the point I’m trying to make, I think).

DahGangalang , (edited )

Thats not what I intended to communicate.

I feel the Turing machine portion is not particularly relevant to the larger point. Not to belabor the point, but to be as clear as I can be: I don’t think nor intend to communicate that humans operate in the same way as a computer; I don’t mean to say that we have a CPU that handles instructions in a (more or less) one at a time fashion with specific arguments that determine flow of data as a computer would do with Assembly Instructions. I agree that anyone arguing human brains work like that are missing a lot in both neuroscience and computer science.

The part I mean to focus on is the models of how AIs learn, specifically in neutral networks. There might be some merit in likening a cell to a transistor/switch/logic gate for some analogies, but for the purposes of talking about AI, I think comparing a brain cell to a node in a neutral network is most useful.

The individual nodes in neutral network will have minimal impact on converting input to output, yet each one does influence the processing of one to the other. Iand with the way we train AI, how each node tweaks the result will depend solely on the past I put that has been given to it.

In the same way, when met with a situation, our brains will process information in a comparable way: that is, any given input will be processed by a practically uncountable amount of neurons, each influencing our reactions (emotional, physical, chemical, etc) in miniscule ways based on how our past experiences have “treated” those individual neurons.

In that way, I would argue that the processes by which AI are trained and operated are comparable to that of the human mind, though they do seem to lack complexity.

Ninjaedit: I should proofread my post before submitting it.

DahGangalang ,

Right.

I don’t mean to say that the mechanism by which human brains learn and the mechanism by which AI is trained are 1:1 directly comparable.

I do mean to say that the process looks pretty similar.

My knee jerk reaction is to analogize it as comparing a fish swimming to a bird flying. Sure there are some important distinctions (e.g. bird’s need to generate lift while fish can rely on buoyancy) but in general, the two do look pretty similar (i.e. they both take a fluid medium and push it to generate thrust).

And so with that, it feels fair to say that learning, that the storage and retrieval of memories/experiences, and that the way that that stored information shapes our sub-concious (and probably conscious too) reactions to the world around us seems largely comparable to the processes that underlie the training of “AI” and LLMs.

DahGangalang ,

And 20 more reading yours.

DahGangalang ,

What do you do for music instead?

DahGangalang ,

In a lot of ways, this is where I’d like to be, but my mind hesitation to jump from Spotify (and comparable services) is the ability to discover new music across a crazy variety of genres. Especially since it’s stable and uses the same controls every time, I think I’d have a hard time leaving.

Big tech got me addicted like that.

DahGangalang ,

Eh, article is from 2021.

DahGangalang ,

my own prejudiced opinion.

Lol, okay.

Yeah, naw, I don’t keep close track of ammo prices, but it was my understanding that the pandemic saw prices spike, but that they’ve leveled off (and started to come down, though only minimally) since the “pandemic wound down”.

Though, this isn’t something I keep my finger to the pulse of, so if you have more recent info, I’d appreciate it (feel free to DM if you’re hesitant to post as comment).

DahGangalang ,

National Security?

Bro, you’re thinking too small - this affects the security of all mankind on Earth. With falling yields from Ukraine and other conflict growing around the world, I except agricultural output to dip DRASTICALLY in the coming years. This means it will more than likely fall to the Deer dominated production area to take up the slack and feed humanity.

I wish US regulators would see the importance of agriculture and would stop letting multi-billion dollar companies bully the actual producers of our food chain.

DahGangalang ,

I’m a cheap bastard.

Free is free

DahGangalang ,

I want to believe. Can you provide sources for that claim?

DahGangalang ,

On one hand: fair. If you’re not versed in elements of tax law this but of data can seem arcane.

On the other: this is a matter of policy - not one of research. This the definitive answer can be found rather easily with a Google search. Here’s a link to a Social Security Administration page on the topic: www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/cbb.html

By the math set out at the above link, one can calculate that, at a maximum income of $168,600 and a SS Contribution rate of 6.2%, the most any individual would contribute to social security in a year would be $10,453.20.

$10,453.20 would represent 0.052266% of the income of someone making $20 millions per year. Even doubling that amount (as some conservatives do) to count the employer’s contributions to Social Security would leave you with just over 0.1% of net income.

So yeah, even if Social Security isn’t going bankrupt, it’s an anemic system that barely provides livable circumstances for those who depend on it. Raising or removing that “max income for contributions” limit would go a long way to seeing the system be able to actually support people who need it while only burdening those most able to bear the burden.

DahGangalang ,

This, but unironically.

If I had the means to pirate my internet connection, I’d do it in a heart beat.

EU stops advertising on X over hate speech. Fines could follow next year (www.cnn.com)

EU stops advertising on X over hate speech. Fines could follow next year::The European Union is pulling its advertisements from Elon Musk’s X for now, citing an “alarming increase” in hate speech and disinformation on the platform formerly known as Twitter.

DahGangalang ,

I don’t want to get in the middle of a flame war, but as someone who’s seen the culture of his small town shift over the last couple decades, I can’t help but have some sympathy for those who worry about this happening in their local (Admittedly, in my case, it’s watching a town where the suburban drops off to rural slowly be subsumed by city sprawl, so this might be a false equivalance).

But I think the real issue is that that’s not an evenly distributed 11%. People will naturally bunch up in groups along cultural lines. I could see a city developing a single Arab/Muslim neighborhood over the course of a decade being of no note, but it sounds like some are developing multiple over just a couple years.

I have no real data to back that notion up, but from what I hear from Europeans, that’s the general feel. I think that’s the real issue: things are changing and they feel like they’re changing fast, and that’s freaking people out. Telling people who feel that way they’re crazy only “others” them and I feel that’s really how the situation gets worse.

But also, the towns the guy above mentioned feel like bigger cities (I’m American and haven’t been to Europe, so I also might lack perspective), and so I do feel like they’re overstating the point.

DahGangalang ,

I suppose, the point I mean to make is that belittling this guy does nothing to solve the problem.

DahGangalang ,

That’s fair. I can see how I read more malice into your comment than was intended. I’d like to apologize for that.

I do want (for the sake of clarity) to say that I agree the flow of muslims to EU/US cities is not a problem. The notion of any western nation implementing Sharia Law (or any approximation) is wild at best.

I do think that the way you accused him of needlessly fear mongering doesn’t placate or soften the guys opinions. I think flat accusations like that are part of what pushes guys who do believe “Sharia Law will come by having Muslims around” into more extremist positions. Whether you intended it or not, I’m sure it was received as a belittling comment what will only serve to alienate the guy.

That does beg the question: what is the correct way to handle comments like this guy’s, to which I don’t have a good response. I do appreciate you rolling out actually data. But watching the polarization of beliefs and politcal positions, I feel the part folling the link to statistics isn’t helping.

DahGangalang ,

I think this is largely a consequence of the rate of change.

Going from 50 generations back to 40 generation back (call it 750 AD to 1000 AD) very little would have changed for people, especially those limited in their means of transportation. I think this is largely, if not exactly, true of any generational gap (the exceptions I feel can be found at those bridging the rise and fall of empires)

Meanwhile, 10 generations ago (call it like 1750) wouldn’t recognize the world today. Hell, 2-3 generations ago (thinking of those born ~1925-1950) barely recognize the world of today.

The way I see it, the rate of change we experience in the world today is simply beyond the rate of change we were bred for over the bulk of humanity’s history.

With that perspective in mind, it feels wrong to hold it against people to resist parts of that change.

Yeah, in my ideal world, we’d all get along and be able to deal with these things in a civilized manner, but that feels super dismissive of the Human Condition and the real lived experience of people in the real world.

Looping back to the point I want to make: coming at people hard for having a negative reaction to a changing world doesn’t make their acceptance of the changing world any better.

DahGangalang ,

The real superior option (except when naming files)

DahGangalang ,

I expect you’re not wrong.

But in my mind, the real goal is to get people used to public transportation being an actually viable option before they get an over priced truck. Get them used to living without a car bill and then watch them never get a car because of how much it’d cost in car bills, ya know?

DahGangalang ,

More like Whoms’n’t’d’ve, amirite?

DahGangalang ,

Yeah, like, since when does Microsoft put out something both functional and cool, ya know?

DahGangalang ,

I mean, yes, technically that isn’t wrong.

But let’s be real, to say (or imply) that all regions operate at the same level of “capitalism” is a disingenuous argument. It seems that if the housing issue in the US were this truly the fault of capitalism, then one would expect that more leftist variations to produce better results for solving homelessness.

While not familiar with the data on this, it’s my understanding that large cities in left leaning states tend to do worse at finding/providing long term housing to unhoused people.

I’m open to looking at contrary data, but that’s really what it’d take to sway my opinion on the matter.

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