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johncomic ,
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@yogthos [looking at Canada all upset]

Omega_Haxors ,

Canada behind the scenes is 10x more fascist than America could ever hope to be.

OprahsedCreature ,

You know it’s bad when even Germany is getting wise to the game

phoenixz ,

Yet Canada isn’t

OprahsedCreature ,

To be fair, they had a Nazi in their parliament much more recently than the Germans had

ininewcrow ,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

Woohoo … Yeah … Canada vo … ???.. What the hell!

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Apartheid regimes stick together. Canada did to First Nations what Israel aims to do to Palestinians.

OutlierBlue ,

As a Canadian, I’m incredibly disappointed in my government for supporting this genocide and settling of stolen land. We’re on the wrong side of history with this.

skankhunt42 ,
@skankhunt42@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah, why the fuck are we red?!?

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Because Canada itself is an apartheid regime, and doesn’t want to set a “wrong” precedent.

Yawnder ,

Same.

can ,

this genocide and settling of stolen land.

Guess they’re concerned they’d have to look inward a little?

zerfuffle ,

Thing is, Canada has been looking inward. That’s what makes it worse.

o_d ,
@o_d@lemmygrad.ml avatar

What has the Canadian state done to materially improve the conditions of the indigenous population? It’s all lip service and no action. The major difference here is that the project of ethnic and cultural genocide was largely successful, wiping out the chance of any serious resistance movement.

CountryBreakfast ,
@CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Yeah the confused Canadians need to get a clue

zerfuffle ,

At least in BC, they gave the First Nations people basically carte blanche to develop tranches of land in the middle of Vancouver.

In today’s real estate environment, I’m sure I don’t need to tell you how valuable that is.

Omega_Haxors ,

They can shut the fuck up about “truth and reconciliation” while simultaneously supporting a modern day indigenous genocide on top of continuing on their own indigenous genocide in secret. I knew they were full of shit after they made the Queen’s day of death a holiday.

zerfuffle ,

It’s so absolutely insane how Canada is happy to tout reconciliation with First Nations people and simultaneously support the genocide of an indigenous people.

Omega_Haxors ,

That’s just a resistance-numbing effort. In the courts and on the streets they very much continue their genocide at full speed, and judging by how shocked as shit people were at discovering the mass graves and how quickly everyone forgot about it after the initial shock, it’s working.

corsicanguppy ,

First Nations

I think they’re third-nations with all the discoveries of civilisations long buried.

otp ,

Disappointed, sure, but I don’t think you should be surprised.

Canada was founded as a country specifically for the purpose of genocide. Virtually the entire country is on settled and stolen land. It would be hypocritical to be against someone else doing the same.

redcalcium ,

You could say the same about Australia and various Latin America countries, yet they still condemn Israel action.

otp ,

You’re right, but there’s a reason why Canadians don’t talk about their “founding fathers” the way Americans do.

I don’t know how many other countries are the same way.

The first PM was explicitly racist against indigenous people, and IIRC, the country was explicitly founded on the basis of white supremacy over indigenous peoples.

zerfuffle ,

That’s true for a lot of places, it’s just that Canadians recognize that.

zerfuffle ,

Canada was founded more than 150 years ago. I’m surprised that in that intervening period, nothing has changed.

Five ,

!landback

barsoap ,

Generally speaking if Germany votes in favour of this kind of resolution and you against, you done fucked up.

Quaxamilliom ,
@Quaxamilliom@hexbear.net avatar

lmao even slava ukrani voted for it.

velox_vulnus ,

Remember how countries from the global South were threatened with sanctions and pulling investments (ahem, global sweatshops) just for abstaining?

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

What is Hungary doing, compensating for its stance on Ukraine ?

xeekei ,

Owning the EU libs, as Hungary do.

ObamnaSoda ,

Viktor gets the slush funds from Russia and the spyware from Israel it makes sense for him hungary-cool

DivineChaos100 ,
@DivineChaos100@hexbear.net avatar

Being the thorn in everyone’s eye so everyone keeps paying us

TauZero ,

https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/a4a2f37b-88c5-414c-871f-7efac461a55a.jpeg

culpritus ,
@culpritus@hexbear.net avatar

wow it’s actually not the exact same map international-community-1international-community-2

this seems like a modicum of progress

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

The crimes of the empire are so blatant now that even the vassals aren’t comfortable supporting them.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Maybe they are seeing a disconnect from reality, and are seeing that like Xinjiang, Hongkong, Ukraine, and now Palestine, the fire will come dancing to their own house if they do not stop supporting the “rules based international” narrative?

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

I do think there is a growing realization in Europe that US has thrown them under the bus.

Kusimulkku ,

You are making the US seem cool calling it The Empire

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

if you think that empires are cool then don’t know what to say there

Kusimulkku ,

Can’t be first time for you. Surely you’ve met people who are enthuastic about Roman Empire for example?

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

these people invariably fall on the fascist end of the political spectrum

Kusimulkku ,

Have you actually met these people in real life?

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

lots

Kusimulkku ,

I somehow doubt it… Being enthuastic about Roman history is just really common. Thinking they’re all fascists is peak Lemmy lol.

Urist , (edited )
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

The idea of a consolidated imperial core is in itself flawed and the idea itself is not applicable to all situations. Though definitely a useful point of view sometimes, using it unconditionally will only deny nuance and differences between core countries, which is not always helpful.

EDIT: Guessing this will probably get downvoted and/or ignored, but if anyone is actually willing to provide or cite some justification/explanation of the map in question, that would be great. Linking the Wikipedia article, whose map differs and has the reasoning of core countries as

They are usually recognized as wealthy states with a wide variety of resources and are in a favorable location compared to other states.

containing several points, which in total are inconsistent by leading to a false dichotomy, is not what I ask and not what I think a map of imperial core states should use for classification.

My reasoning for calling a consolidated core flawed is among other things because it is not taking into consideration the historic development and relationships between core states. Some classify, for example, Scotland as a semi-core due to these reasons.

culpritus ,
@culpritus@hexbear.net avatar

lemmygrad.ml/c/alwaysthesamemap

lots of examples of what this map emoji means here

I particularly like this one of the countries that recognize Palestine, which is the inverse of the ‘same map’.

lemmygrad.ml/…/f8d50ef2-6638-43e2-86e6-d1ece0d35a…

CommunityLinkFixer Bot ,

Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !alwaysthesamemap

Omniraptor ,

Good bot. This is important enough to be built into lemmy imo

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

No, this is not an explanation. For something as important as the imperial core, which you claim the map portrays, there needs to be an actual proper definition and reasoning behind it. Having a bunch of loosely corrolated maps is not it. The list of countries that recognize Palestine is also not a proper inverse.

I am just tired of seeing this map spammed. Once some even ridiculed others for not acknowledgeding it as the de facto definition of imperial core. I think this is especially bad due to having yet to see anyone actually putting any effort into analysis of why it looks like it does. Spewing unsubstantiated ideas is for the incoherent bourgeoisie and fascists.

Chapo_is_Red ,

It’s a meme (Moreover, the emote is named “international community” not “imperial core”).

Hexbear emotes are not rigorous theoretical statements. E.g.: xi-plz

sovietknuckles ,
@sovietknuckles@hexbear.net avatar

Hexbear emotes are not rigorous theoretical statements.

I-was-saying

What_Religion_R_They ,

speak for yourself posadist-nuke

culpritus ,
@culpritus@hexbear.net avatar

No each map is explained on that comm. You assigning it ‘imperial core’ and asking for an explanation is some JAQing off sealioning imo. Theses maps correlate how interests of countries align around various issues, and the ‘same map’ comes up a lot because of how these same countries often agree on things in contrast to the the rest of the world. It’s not some socio-political theory, it’s just the reality of how these countries align into blocs that correlate with maintaining the current US hegemonic status quo.

The two maps that really ‘explained’ this concept for me were the map of countries that ‘condemn China’s treatment of Uyghur Muslims’ contrasted with the map of ‘countries that recognize Palestine’. It shows how this bloc of countries want to demonize China while supporting the ongoing genocide of Palestine’s indigenous peoples. The principles they espouse are unmasked in the light of the truth of this comparison.

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

Saying I am sealioning is an accusation and not an opinion besides also being wrong. Here is one in return: Acting like the map is not usually considered to portray the imperial core is intellectual dishonesty on your part.

culpritus ,
@culpritus@hexbear.net avatar

citations-needed

Whotf talks like this anyway?

is an accusation and not an opinion besides also being wrong.

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

First you accuse me of sealioning and then you hide behind an “imo” like that is just your opinion. There is no such relativistic position on an objective matter. You are wrong to claim so and cowardly for disguising it as an opinion. With this in mind it does not surprise me that you stoop even lower with trying to berate me for my style of writing. Who tf acts like that?

culpritus ,
@culpritus@hexbear.net avatar

I gave you a perfectly reasonable explanation of what the same map means. You refuse to accept it and write like this. Disengage.

BurgerPunk ,
@BurgerPunk@hexbear.net avatar

pigpoop fuck off lib

BurgerPunk ,
@BurgerPunk@hexbear.net avatar

smuglord debate pervert

Ram_The_Manparts ,
@Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net avatar

Guessing this will probably get downvoted

We don’t have downvotes

Urist , (edited )
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

Hexbear is also not the only leftist community on Reddit. None of you have still made an attempt to explain the image though, hence why I said and/or ignored.

Ram_The_Manparts ,
@Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net avatar

Hexbear is also not the only leftist community on Reddit.

What does that have to do with my reply to you?

Slapp helt av, vi er (heldigvis) ikke på reddit.

Urist , (edited )
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

When I said ignored and/or downvoted I did not necessarily mean by Hexbear users, cue my comment following yours about you not having downvotes. Even so, what I originally meant with that is that much of my experience in trying to engage on this issue have been marked with, what I deem, unnecessary hostility.

Had this been on Reddit I would not be engaging in conversation at all above using memes as language.

Ram_The_Manparts ,
@Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net avatar

Okay.

WIIHAPPYFEW ,
@WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net avatar

Wrong site ya doof

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

Oh no, I made a mistake. Who cares?

the_kid ,
@the_kid@hexbear.net avatar

Hexbear is also not the only leftist community on Reddit

yeah, there’s lemmygrad too

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes, and as far as I know they still have down votes.

library_napper ,
@library_napper@monyet.cc avatar

You dont. We do.

Ram_The_Manparts ,
@Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net avatar

Alright, enjoy!

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