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HubertManne ,

There has been a lot of debate on this. Is it cruel and unusaul punishments. Have the russiand done things so bad to deserve burger king. only time will tell.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Hey, they’re the only place that serves Impossible Burgers, and they’re not bad in my experience.

Well, probably not in Russia.

Carry on.

Chozo ,

Can Burger King pull out of the US first? Absolutely the worst fast food chain ever. The only reason anybody goes to BK is if McDonald's is on fire.

Burn_The_Right ,

Even their water tastes like Burger King. Every structure they inhabit becomes an eco-disaster of BK stench.

Goodtoknow ,
@Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca avatar

Why is that vs McDonald’s?

Burn_The_Right , (edited )

I’m not sure, really. But Burger King is at the bottom of the pile. BK food makes McDonald’s food almost seem like real food.

Almost.

Jakeroxs ,

When’s the last time you purchased something from either?

My experience now is McDonalds has slipped significantly, whereas BK is just better in most ways. McDonalds prices have even gone up quite a bit yet the food has just gotten worse.

Burn_The_Right ,

TBF, it’s been decades. I’m still waiting for the after-taste to dissipate.

It doesn’t surprise me that McD’s is worse these days. Do they still have the fake soft-serve machine that’s always mysteriously “out of order”?

Jakeroxs ,

Yes they do!

HubertManne ,

if your older there was a day when mcdonalds was extremely bad. The whole heat lamp thing you might see in movies came out of the way mcdonalds was in the 80's. At that time BK was riding high. They mostly cooked to order (that sorta fell apart at rushes) so your burger was always fresh from the broiler conveyor. One thing about places when they are popular is the food is fresher because they go through it fast. At some point that all fell apart and they started having their patties sit in these plastic warming pans with some sort of oil to keep them moist. I have noticed that this seemed to happen mostly in city burger kings while ones in the boonies still seemed to do alright.

hh93 ,

At least for vegetarian options they are way ahead of McDonalds

Can’t speak for the rest of the menu though

Airazz ,

McD has zero vegetarian options, besides some very sad salad.

SunnyAdriano ,

Technically the apple pie is vegetarian. Fries, in the US, are not vegetarian.

Airazz ,

Looks like they’re vegetarian but not vegan, because flavouring includes milk.

AnonStoleMyPants ,

Yeah, in Finland at least the vegan Whopper is waaaaaaaay better than what McD or other similar franchises offer.

Critical_Insight , (edited )

Personally I prefer Burger King over McDonald’s. Haven’t been since the first BK opened in my city.

wholeofthemoon ,

Yo those chips look fresh

atk007 ,

That’s one way to defeat Russia. Have them eat garbage food.

downpunxx ,
@downpunxx@kbin.social avatar

Restaurant Brands International owns Burger King, Tim Hortons, Popeye's Chicken, and Firehouse Subs

Fuck RBI, they are lying war profiteers putting tax revenue in the hand of the Kremlin which it uses to fund it's war of genocide in Ukraine. Do not eat in any of their restaurants

Ooops ,
@Ooops@kbin.social avatar

Are you also telling us how much they own of those Burger King franchises in Russia they are supposed to shut down?

deegeese ,

They are getting paid 100% of the franchise fees of their Russian businesses.

Tarte ,
@Tarte@kbin.social avatar

You don’t own franchise partners by definition. They are individually owned restaurants that pay you a fee to use your brand (name, menu, marketing, etc.).

„Shutting down“ here means: Don’t renew these franchise contracts. The restaurants will continue to exist, but they will have to rebrand and be less lucrative.

CobraChicken ,

but they will have to rebrand and be less lucrative.

And what do you do if those Russian franchise owners refuse to rebrand and continue using the BK name, supplies and signage?

Do you stop providing logistical support? Do you cut them off the BK supply chain (shut that down too) and not provide any new menu items / marketing materials?

Has BK done that?

Airazz ,

Yes, obviously you should cut supply lines, duh. Why would you supply products to someone who isn’t paying for them.

CobraChicken , (edited )

So what is burger king doing wrong here?"

Edit: At least 10 people didn’t read the fucking article, BK did cut the supply line. This place is just like Reddit, all hurr durr without reading the article.

TheGreenGolem ,

They are telling you, literally. They should revoke the branding licence, cut every supply lines, and sue them if they continue using the brand (as they would surely do if I just started to have a Burger King without a licence). They don’t do these things. Which is wrong. And that’s what they are doing wrong.

Ooops ,
@Ooops@kbin.social avatar

What imaginary supply line are you talking about? Do you think that any food there is not supplied locally? That they import paper wrappings with a logo from the US? Actually the ones probably importing their stuff are sitting in the US, even if it's just plastic trash from China.

It's a name. And if they got told not to use it anymore or they just don't pay anything anymore... what is supposed to happen? Someone goes to Russia and sues them there?

AngryCommieKender ,

Burger King corporate supplies the wrappers, the branding, the marketing, and the damn product. These franchises don’t “make” anything in house. They reheat par-cooked food that, in this case, BK corporate has delivered to them via truck. BK corporate has had over a year to cut that supply line. They own the branding, and therefore the wrappers.

SheeEttin ,

By truck? From the US?

AngryCommieKender ,

Yeah, because a multinational corporation is run by idiots, like you.

CobraChicken ,

This is how I know you didn’t read the article.

BK did cut the supply chain logistics. It’s mentioned in the article.

Sue the franchisees? Where? In Russia? In the middle of an economic war with the west? Even if the suit proceeded for some reason, who do you expect the court to rule in favor of?

BK did everything to severe ties. The only thing that remains is to sell their share of the franchise. If they sell now (even if they find a buyer), they likely won’t be paid in anything other than rubles which is useless.

Lightor ,

Lol dude, take your own advice. Read the article, about how they’re dragging their feet and didn’t even want to exit in the first place. How much that BK PR team paying you lol.

Also they didn’t say they were cutting supply chain, it says “The spokesperson for RBI said the company was refusing new investment and supply chain support.” Refusing NEW investments is not the same as killing the existing supply chain. Jesus, read.

Airazz ,

They continue operating in russia as if everything’s fine.

Ooops ,
@Ooops@kbin.social avatar

Nothing, because you just hallucinate supply lines. The franchise pays for the fucking name and that's it. And if they are not allowed to do so anymore, who's going to Russia and sue the owning oligarchs there?

Snapz ,

Especially with firehouse subs having such a purpose washed image/mission, you think they’d be smarter.

calzone_gigante ,

War profiteer is an interesting way to look at it. If a company doesn’t cut ties with warmonger countries, they are war profiteers ?

They should also get away from US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and most of the “developed” countries that are historically exploiting poor countries ?

They sell fucking burguers, if they manage to not put too much garbage in the food to save money, they are doing enough.

Synthead ,

Ukraine: Have it Russia’s way.

Borkingheck ,

On all the shorts etc showing sanction life in Russia, not one has mentioned burger King is still there.

greyscale ,
@greyscale@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Capital Scum doing capitalist scum shit.

brain_in_a_box ,

Yeah, they should only operate in good countries, like the US.

jackmarxist ,
@jackmarxist@hexbear.net avatar

And Israel

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

David Shear, RBI’s president, said in March 2022 that Burger King’s main operator in Russia had “refused” to shut the outlets following the first attacks on Ukraine.

Steven Tian, part of a team of researchers at Yale University who track what companies have done in response to the Ukraine war, argued using franchise agreements as an “excuse” was a “convenient smokescreen”.

Mark Dixon, founder of the Moral Rating Agency, which campaigns against firms doing business in Russia, called for RBI to disclose what specific actions it had taken in its attempts to leave.

David Bond, partner at law firm Fieldfisher, said RBI’s 15% stake meant it could not simply “dictate terms” to its fellow shareholders to require them to close Burger King branches.

He also suggested companies that franchise out their brands would be reluctant to simply walk away from deals as it could lead to “dire consequences”, including being sued for breach of contract, as well as reputational damage.

But he said consequences aside, there was nothing stopping RBI from terminating the franchise arrangement if it was adamant it wanted to do so, though added it might not result in the Burger King brand ceasing to exist in Russia.

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