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Harris says she won’t stop Biden’s policy of sending weapons to Israel

In her first interview as the Democratic presidential nominee, Vice President Kamala Harris told CNN it was imperative to reach a ceasefire deal in Gaza, but made it clear that she would not alter President Joe Biden’s policy in the region.

However, when pressed on whether she would stop sending weapons to Israel she told Bash, “No, we have to get a deal done, Dana. We have to get a deal done.”

“Adopting an arms embargo against Israel’s assault on Gaza is not only a moral imperative but also a strategic move to defeat Trump and MAGA extremism. It is difficult for the Democratic candidate to champion democracy while arming Netanyahu’s authoritarian regime” reads a recent letter to Harris from the coalition Not Another Bomb.

Recent polling has repeatedly demonstrated that Democratic voters overwhelmingly support the conditioning of U.S. military aid. A Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR) survey from March found that 52% of Americans want the U.S. to halt weapons shipments to Israel in order to force a ceasefire. 62% of Biden voters said “The US should stop weapons shipments to Israel until Israel discontinues its attacks on the people of Gaza,” while only 14% disagreed with the statement.

The numbers from a June CBS News poll were even higher, with more than 60% of all voters and almost 80% of Democrats saying the U.S. shouldn’t send Israel weapons.

“The real question should have been, ‘When are you going to start enforcing U.S. law as it relates to arms shipments’ because what we are doing right now, with this United States policy, is in violation of not just international law, but also of American law, “said the Arab Center’s Yousef Munayyer in an interview with Democracy Now in response to the CNN segment. “Vice-President Harris made it clear in other parts of her interview that she wants to be a prosecutor. She wants to enforce the law, but Israel is clearly getting an exception from the Harris campaign.”

assassinatedbyCIA ,

Democrats will do anything to lose an election

tiefling ,

Never underestimate a Democrat’s ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

WraithGear ,
@WraithGear@lemmy.world avatar

Whelp, there goes that hope. Back to being angry.

rand_alpha19 ,

Wow, what a missed layup. Guess she wants to lose all of her goodwill? Fucking strange.

ceenote ,

“We will adhere to US law.”

That’s all she had to say.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

There’s a lot of Jewish voters and donors.

Keeponstalin OP ,

Christian Zionists far outnumber Jewish Zionists and even Jewish people in America.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

It’s still millions of likely voters. Many who retired to places like Florida where just a few votes could decide the election.

pewresearch.org/…/the-size-of-the-u-s-jewish-popu…

Keeponstalin OP ,

That page literally doesn’t reference likely voters at all. Do you just somehow think all Jewish people are a monolith? There are plenty of Jewish people against the genocide

We know for a fact that there are hundreds of thousands of likely voters in each swing state that would enthusiasticly vote for Harris if she changed position on Israel

TommySoda ,

As much as I hate to admit this, I don’t think this will change my opinion on her. Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s incredibly fucked up that they continue to give them the weapons they use to murder civilians. But I also know that pretty much every president that has been elected since Israel has existed as a country would do exactly the same. The vast majority of politicians are spineless when it comes to Israel and always will be, regardless of party affiliation. No matter who gets elected it will always be the same answer with varying degrees of severity. And even if Harris wanted to do something about it, do you really think she would say anything new until she knew for a fact she was going to win? She’d get ostracized by the majority of her own party and potentially lose a bunch of those fancy endorsements she just received.

I’m not saying it’s right. In fact, it’s so fucked up it makes my blood boil. I’m just saying that politicians are fucking cowards and always will be.

sub_ubi , (edited )

But I also know that pretty much every president that has been elected since Israel has existed as a country would do exactly the same.

Your knowledge is incorrect. Please seek out better sources.

Reagan said Israel is carrying out a holocaust, and stopped them with a single phonecall. Bush Sr. stopped them by threatening arms embargo as well. Eisenhower and Ford couldn’t stomach their bloodlust either and called them off.

Israel is a client state of the US, it’s best to think of it as the 51st state. They do what they’re told.

ShinkanTrain ,

Imagine being worse than Reagan 💀

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

That’s what people forget, all it takes is one phone call from a US Pres. Israel is nobody.

AbouBenAdhem , (edited )

I have little hope that Biden, Harris, or (obviously) Trump will actually change course on the US’s Israel/Palestine policy—but to be fair, we shouldn’t expect the current vice president to openly say she would reverse the current president’s foreign policies even if she intended to.

TommySoda ,

Exactly. If she wanted to do anything about it she wouldn’t be able to even mention it. If she said anything that isn’t pro Israel, she’d just piss off Israel and a large amount of her own party. Politicians have always been cowards when it comes to Israel and always will be.

Ensign_Crab ,

Why not? She’s not the Secretary of State and she’s not setting foreign policy like Dick Cheney.

Why must she adhere to Biden’s policies?

CptEnder ,

This. It wouldn’t surprise me if it comes out years later she was basically forced in this position because of ongoing peace negotiations. She’s not stupid, her staff isn’t stupid, bring pro no refugee murder is a very obvious stance. Israel, for whatever fucking reason, has us by the balls. Hopefully one day that changes and they’re just out there in their own like every other asshole. Also BB knows the more fucked up shit he does during the election cycle the better chances he’ll get the guy he wants in. Watch peace suddenly be an option when it’s clear Harris is going to claim victory.

Keeponstalin OP ,

Not changing the current policy of arming the ones doing the mass Refugee murder isn’t really pro no Refugee murder. Israel can continue getting away with the ongoing genocide precisely because we are still giving them unconditional military aid. Conditional military aid is the strong arm option to reign Israel in and force them to accept the US ceasefire proposal that passed through the UN, passed, and has been accepted by every party except Israel

matcha_addict ,

No I would actually expect a candidate to talk about what they intend, and whatever excuse there’s not to sounds silly.

istanbullu ,

Joe Biden is a mass murderer. We will never forget, never forgive.

sub_ubi ,

Biden/Harris are mass murders, and that’s right.

MentalEdge ,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Why?

Seriously! Why!?

I don’t remotely understand this policy, and it seems that pretty much noone would vote for it if they could avoid doing so.

ShinkanTrain ,

We gotta make AIPAC happy or else they might stop paying for Pelosi’s yacht.

Gabadabs ,

Because our government’s support of Israel furthers US financial interests in the Middle East.

allidoislietomyself ,

The US and the UK.

CluckN ,

Her husband also made a pledge to, “fight antisemitism” when asked about Israel’s crimes.

distantsounds ,

Not enough genocide yet apparently. Fuck this

dharmacurious ,

Clearly the most efficient way to stop this genocide is to wait until all the Palestinians have been murdered. Then no more can be murdered. Thus no more genocide. Obviously you just don’t understand the complexities of the situation. It’s the only way to ensure the genocide stops!

I fucking hate myself for knowing that I’ll be voting for her. Jesus

distantsounds ,

iT,s ok bEcAUse it’S tHe oNLy sAfE pOrT iN the aReA!!

III ,

I would hate myself voting for or not voting against a candidate who will only increase support for genocide.

I understand your frustration with the Harris option but am glad you are willing to still vote. So many others seem be happy allowing things to become worse just because they can’t make it better, which is an even less moral response.

sub_ubi ,

The AIPAC queen can’t get enough of headless toddlers and rape squads

Geometrinen_Gepardi ,

Does it even matter which party is in power when it comes to this? It’s in America’s geopolitical interest to have a strong Israel to counter the neighboring Arab States, especially Iran. The fate of Palestine is almost a non-issue in that context.

freagle ,

Actually, you just made me realize it’s THE issue. Palestine must be destroyed to create buffer zone full of militarized activated and hardened Israeli forces to make the threat even stronger than it already was. It’s not enough for Israel to be a nuclear power in the region, it has to be militarized and active for the coming decades.

drdiddlybadger ,
@drdiddlybadger@pawb.social avatar

It matters quite a lot given that Republicans as a party have openly stated that Israel should accelerate all violence against the people of Palestine and expand settlements. The Republican party previously used moabs in the middle east just because Trump wanted go see a big bang and assassinated an Iranian general after inviting him for a peace talk. It matters quite a lot.

Our situation sucks ass but it’s either the Democratic party or make things far worse for everyone far faster and completely destroy the possibility of doing anything at all.

distantsounds ,

but it’s either the Democratic Party or make things far worse

Maybe if we keep on apologizing for the genocide and maybe it will get better? IDK.

drdiddlybadger ,
@drdiddlybadger@pawb.social avatar

Maybe people will support a third party that is actually interested in governing and not just a spoiler party that conveniently pops up during the presidential election yeah. I’m hopeful people will actually pay attention and build local party power with the way things have been going. But time will tell.

distantsounds ,

Voting for change doesn’t work with the ratchet effect. Demand change

Keeponstalin OP ,

Biden/Harris not changing on Israel is creating a growing spoiler effect to the green party. Changing position on Israel would secure so many votes and stop that spoiler effect

matcha_addict ,

Republicans stated Israel should a celebrate all violence

While the Democrats do the implementation

Bombing the middle east is also not exclusive to Republicans. Obama broke a record there.

Aradina ,
@Aradina@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s almost like America has two far-right parties pretending to be on opposite sides of a political spectrum

geneva_convenience ,

I did not think it possible for Democrats to run a worse candidate than 2016 Hillary.

ShinkanTrain ,

Joe was worse. Not even hardcore liberals could pretend to be excited for him.

TommySoda ,

While maybe not the original intent, his whole candidacy was based on “I’m not Trump.” That’s not a strategy that can work twice.

freagle ,

Honestly, Trump is doing so badly right now, that I think it WILL work this time around, too. And it’s great because with that strategy, there’s nothing to be held accountable for except fantasies.

drdiddlybadger ,
@drdiddlybadger@pawb.social avatar

You have to be on crack to think this.

blockheadjt ,

Threads like these are GREAT for discovering the fascists/russian plants in the comments so I can block them

whenyellowstonehasitsday ,

all these fascists who are against...

checks notes

...funding genocide?

blockheadjt ,

You’re drawing some pretty premature conclusions from incomplete information. No, I’m against genocide too. But there are some in this thread who would pretend Harris is more pro-genocide than Trump, which is demonstrably false.

whenyellowstonehasitsday ,

i mean there aren't any pro-fascism comments here at time of me posting this so maybe this thread isn't the resource you think it is

nobody in this thread is pretending harris is more pro-genocide than trump

i have literally never seen a comment on the fediverse that implied that

blockheadjt ,

It is possible you already have them blocked.

Do you see the comment about Harris being a worse candidate than Hillary? No sane adult would say such a thing except as deliberate anti-democratic propaganda.

whenyellowstonehasitsday ,

i mean yeah i did but i don't see how that relates to harris being more pro-genocide than trump

blockheadjt ,

Because the intent of the sentiment is to get people to not vote for her, which would increase the likelihood of a Trump presidency, which would ultimately result in more genocide.

whenyellowstonehasitsday ,

You're drawing some pretty premature conclusions from incomplete information.

blockheadjt ,

Then what is their intent? Tell me. Or block me if you’ve got nothing.

whenyellowstonehasitsday ,

if i had to guess, to convey the idea that "i do not like it when presidential candidates support the funding of genocide"

but then again asking me to divine the will of a poster i've never met or spoken to is quite a strange thing to do

freagle ,

Banger

freagle ,

No sane adult would say such a thing except as deliberate anti-democratic propaganda.

Jesus christ, sit down child. Your political opponents are not all paid shills out to destroy your wonderfully important institutions because they are opportunistic nihilists.

istanbullu ,

I prefer blocking genocidal maniacs like you.

blockheadjt ,

Idiot or troll?

Either way, no loss for me.

TVA ,
@TVA@thebrainbin.org avatar

Not Russian, but go ahead and block me

Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

Harris says she won’t stop arming Israel

If she wants Trump to win, just say that.

Jfc.

taiyang ,

I mean, if it was any other ally surrounded by countries that hate them, I’d understand this policy. If Israel wasn’t lead by a dickhead and their regime, I’d understand this policy. They literally only exist as a country with our support.

But as is stands now, it’s a carrot we should use to leverage peace and, in an ideal world, push for a better coexistence with people they’ve historically shit on. Giving it away for ‘free’ makes little sense aside from fear of losing their support and by extension, the election.

If we didn’t have foreign money, or PACs in general, would this be different? I would imagine it would be, if we could just fix that shitty system.

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