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Aria ,

Shame.

CyberMonkey404 ,

that “would have played into Russia’s hands,”

Presumably this implies the “coup attempt” was by Russian spies and local collaborators. So why not just say so?

AntiOutsideAktion ,

Maybe they should allow elections

jaxxed ,

Elections would be good, but hard to do for 1/3 of the country

AntiOutsideAktion ,

Those were the parts of the country they were ethnically cleansing anyway. Besides, they banned the political parties that were popular there.

And they already voted. To join Russia.

Crampon ,

Tankie 🙏😍🤡

Yawweee877h444 ,

When I look up the definition of tankie I see something about authoritarian communism. Can you explain your comment I’m just curious

Crampon ,

Trying to get rid of Zelensky now is russian propaganda when only a small part of the country are able to vote. It would strip the democratic rights away from those living in captured territory.

novibe ,

Don’t pretend this is about the people in Donetsk or Luhansk. Like those people had any democratic rights before the war…

nyctre , (edited )

Everyone on .ml is a tankie. Everyone on .world is a fascist. Lemmy loves its serverism, unfortunately.

People can’t comprehend that different people can have different opinions, apparently. There needs to be an easier explanation for it such as “tankie” or “fascist”. “Idiot/ignorant” is a much more believable explanation,.imo

AntiOutsideAktion ,

Stalin saved the world from fascism and liberals will never forgive him for it.

Honytawk ,

Elections during a war would lead to the enemy interfering and installing a puppet government.

Especially if we are talking about Russia.

AntiOutsideAktion ,

Lincoln did it.

pingveno ,

Under the Ukrainian constitution, they cannot hold an election while martial law is under effect. Much of the population (a majority?) is either displaced or in an occupied territory.

AntiOutsideAktion ,

The rules say no democracy while we’re doing a police state. Sorry those are the rules.

intelshill ,

Isn’t their government currently illegitimate because they refused to hold elections?

Fact is, if Russia wanted to overthrow Zelensky they would’ve done it by now. The problem isn’t Zelensky, but the entire notion of Ukrainian independence from Russia. Until Russia can comprehensively beat that idea out of the Ukrainian ethos, this war will not end.

See also: US-Cuba, China-Taiwan, and historically US-South America under the Monroe Doctrine.

Note that this idea isn’t about domestic sovereignty insomuch as it is about who your allies can be. If Ukraine were independent but in CSTO or even in BRICS, there would be no issues. Similarly, if Cuba were to be a US ally instead, sanctions would be dropped and it would be welcomed with open arms.

adarza ,

snopes.com/…/zelenskyy-say-no-elections-until-war…

Squizzy ,

How is it a fact that Russia would have done it by now if they wanted it? You think thenparatroopers they landed into Kiev were there for the scenery? That Russia truly wanted to rid themselves of billions upon billions in equipment and half a million of their population?

bizzare.

Slotos ,

Laws of Ukraine explicitly state that elections cannot be held in a wartime. These provisions are older than current presidency and parliament.

Claim to illegitimacy due to refused elections is the best way to tell everyone you gobble up Russian propaganda.

Notyou ,

Isn’t their government currently illegitimate because they refused to hold elections?

This lets me know you are full of shit. Russia is also a topic of this conversation and the haven’t had a legitimate election in decades.

Valmond ,

“If Russia wanted to do X they would have done so already”

Sure, sure, any day now.

The mighty russian golf cart army will tAkE aLL of Ukraine if they Want to, but they prefer to die in the trenches. And install a puppet gov that makes them win the war? Naah vatnik still prefer to die in trench.

The copium is hard.

Umbrias ,

the entire notion of Ukrainian independence from Russia. Until Russia can comprehensively beat that idea out of the Ukrainian ethos, this war will not end.

Now to be clear, you’re not of course advocating that Russia do that therefore violating a peoples self determination, right?

Jakdracula ,
@Jakdracula@lemmy.world avatar

Now come do the USA!

krolden ,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

Can we please stop propping up their government

Th4tGuyII ,
@Th4tGuyII@fedia.io avatar

Could the Russians stop invading another country's sovereign land?

LarkinDePark ,

They have no sovereign anything. The US took that from them when they overthrew their democracy in 2014.

Th4tGuyII ,
@Th4tGuyII@fedia.io avatar

Could you simp any harder for Russia?

The Ukrainian people are out there fighting tooth and nail to survive the Russian onslaught, yet you're in your armchair acting like they should just give up because Russia wants them to.

LarkinDePark ,

Could you simp any harder for America?

The Ukrainian people are out there fighting tooth and nail to make money for the American MIC, yet you’re in your armchair acting like they should not have peace because western powers don’t want them to.

Honytawk ,

The only one preventing Ukraine from having peace is Imperialist Russia invading them.

Pootin can end the war any second by retreating troops out of the lands that are not Russian, but they don’t because Pootin is an imperialist warmonger, hell bend on restoring the USSR. Even if it means destroying Russia and surrounding countries in the process.

LarkinDePark ,

There would never have been any invasion if it wasn’t for genocidal USA’s warmongering via NATO, the world’s most aggressive and murderous military alliance.

Honytawk ,

Unlike Russia, Ukraine actually had fair elections.

LarkinDePark ,

Nope. Ukraine has not had elections.

In fact, following America’s Nazi coup, the Ukrainian Rada voted to reject the illegal ousting of Yanukovic. The US ignored this and put their puppet in power anyway.

AntiOutsideAktion ,

Kinda hard when the other country makes it a crime to negotiate a peace deal

Honytawk ,

As long as the “peace deal” involves “give us your land” then it is not a peace deal, it is extortion.

AntiOutsideAktion ,

They already took the land. The peace deal involves not throwing 50 year olds into killing fields just to lose more.

WHARRGARBL ,

And here we have another gem from the obnoxious 43 year old libertarian edge lord’s exhaustive repertoire of unwanted opinions.

krolden ,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

Lol what

SaltySalamander ,

AND HERE WE HAVE ANOTHER GEM FROM THE OBNOXIOUS 43 YEAR OLD EDGE LORD'S EXHAUSTIVE REPERTOIRE OF UNWANTED OPINIONS.

Notyou ,

No.

We get rid of old munitions and equipment.

Companies get rich by replenishing stock with new military contracts.

We get new data that we can use to war game without actually fighting first hand.

You might not think it’s worth it, but the people benefiting do.

xhieron ,
@xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

Good for them. At least somebody did.

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