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bartolomeo ,
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Zhang further stated that an immediate ceasefire was a “fundamental prerequisite” for “saving lives, expanding humanitarian access and preventing greater conflicts. The US draft on the contrary sets up preconditions for a ceasefire which is no different from giving a green light to continued killings which is unacceptable.”

Doubledee ,
@Doubledee@hexbear.net avatar

Joe is infuriating with these PR moves, it’s frustrating that they work so well on people who only digest headlines.

davel , (edited )
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Corporate media are complicit. They craft the headlines to produce this effect.

Quacksalber , (edited )

So in case you are wondering if Russia and China were caring about the people in Gaza, this vote shows that they are clearly not. They’d rather take this opportunity that would see the US taking the most confrontantional stance against Israel since the start of the invasion into Gaza, to dunk on the US.

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

US vetoed multiple actual ceasefire resolutions, this resolution did not call for a ceasefire and did not help people of Gaza in any way.

Quacksalber ,

Don’t mind me, just leaving this UN news report on the vetoed resolution here: news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147856

The US-led draft, which took weeks to reach a vote, stated the “imperative” for “an immediate and sustained ceasefire to protect civilians on all sides”, facilitating “essential” aid delivery and supporting ongoing talks between Israel and Hamas militants to create a sustainable end to the hostilities, tied to the release of hostages.

The vetoed draft would have made imperative an immediate and sustained ceasefire in Gaza, with an “urgent need to expand the flow of humanitarian assistance” to all civilians and lifting “all barriers” to delivering aid

How exactly would’ve this bill ‘not helped in any way’?

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

How exactly would’ve this bill ‘not helped in any way’?

The article in the submission explains that in detail. Maybe try reading it?

Quacksalber ,

Ah yes, let’s classify calling for aid deliveries to the people of Gaza ‘not helping’, because not all demands are met. Fuck those starving people, we want all of our points met.

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

US could literally tell Israel to open the border and let aid in any time. Instead, they send weapons to kill people while blocking serious ceasefire resolutions. Try putting a bit more effort into your trolling.

Quacksalber ,

US could literally tell Israel to open the border and let aid in any time.

But they won’t. End of story. What are you going to do about it? Get all the help for the people currently suffering that you can get, or stomp your foot while Gazans starve? I know what you’ve chosen.

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s right, they won’t and that makes US a direct participant in the genocide. End of story. They’re not trying to get help to people, they’re literally doing the opposite of that while doing these kinds stunts so that online trolls can pretend that they’re doing something positive.

Quacksalber ,

Wrong. Russia and China are the ones aiding in a genocide with that veto. They want Israel to continue to slaughter Gazans, because it will reflect negatively on the US in the public eye. As if Russia and China would really care about brown muslims getting massacred. The US-backed resolution would’ve brought aid and charted a path to a ceasefire. It’s not the ideal resolution, but in politics you will never get to ideal. You take what you can get and work from there. But I’m well aware that your primary motivation is dunking on the US as well, so you’ll fit right in with Russia and China.

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Seriously put more effort into your trolling, it’s embarrassing.

NoIWontPickAName ,

Bro, how many other fucking resolutions did we veto?

How long did it take for us to even start fucking airdropping something?

But yet we can ship fucking weapons every day and a half.

We are the bad guys

Quacksalber ,

Where did I say that the US are the good guys? My point is that this resolution was brought in by the ‘bad’ guys and held a significant step towards the ‘good’ guys side. But Russia and China proved with their veto that they are not interested in getting help to Gazans, they are more interested in continuing the status quo, so that the US is further humiliated.

NoIWontPickAName ,

Because it didn’t actually call for anything real.

TrippyFocus ,

Wtf is the point of passing this bs watered down version? It’s basically a strongly worded letter if it’s not demanding an immediate ceasefire. It also has more bs like Israeli prisoners going free but no mention of any palestinians going free? It’s completely one sided.

Quacksalber ,

It calls for a ceasefire if Israeli hostages are released and for immediate aid to the people of Gaza. If the US starts off at A, support Israel unconditionally, and you start of at B, ceasefire now, and the US gets slowly pressured your way until ultimately, the US enters a resolution that is much closer to B than to A, you don’t stomp your foot and say ‘that’s not B!’ and reject it, if you really care about civilians in Gaza, who are starving right now, only in the hopes that in a few months time, the US might’ve fully moved over to B. When Israel has already invaded Rafah and many Gazans have starved.

NovaPrime ,
@NovaPrime@lemmy.ml avatar

How about Israel release the entire area of Gaza as a hostage first?

Quacksalber ,

Why don’t you wish for unicorns while you’re at it? That’s about as likely to happen as Israel, after all this time, suddenly deciding to pull back from Gaza.

Alsephina ,

This just lets “israel” continue the genocide after getting only their hostages back (not the thousands of Palestinians they have hostage) and leaving Gaza with less options

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

I swear the main purpose of this resolution—which should have been and was shot down—was to make us suffer tripe like this.

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