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JD Vance opposes military aid, NATO membership for Ukraine. He's now Trump's VP pick

Vance is one of Trump’s most vocal supporters and an outspoken critic of U.S. aid to Ukraine.

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Vance has said that it would be “completely irresponsible” for Ukraine to join NATO. He has also argued for the U.S. to focus solely on preventing Chinese expansion, even if that means sacrificing sovereign Ukrainian lands to Russia.

“Any peace settlement is going to require some significant territorial concessions from Ukraine, and you’re gonna have a peace deal, because that’s the only way out of the conflict,” Vance said in February.

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Knightfox ,

Hey but both sides suck and it’s not worth voting this year.

Lucidlethargy ,

This is Trump’s exact stance as well. He’s been VERY clear about this, but idiots in the conservative camp seem to deliberately ignore it.

InternetUser2012 ,

Can you imagine this clown being president when the rapist with 34 felonies is deemed unfit for office or has a McHeartattack?

TheReturnOfPEB ,

I didn’t know that India was big into Hitler. But now his wife’s actions make more sense.

haaretz.com/…/0000017f-f880-d460-afff-fbe61fe2000…

sudo ,

This is a very BJP / Mohdi / Hindutva thing. Not India as a whole but it is popular enough. These Hindutva people also unironically praise Israel and Zionism. They see Israel as they ethno-state model they want to be, plus they both hate Muslims. (The Israeli response to this “fuck off, you’re more brown than arabs”)

MehBlah ,

I thought the maggots wanted to leave NATO.

FiniteBanjo ,

They do, but they also don’t want other people in it, either.

pineapplelover ,

Wait why isn’t Mike pence vp? Am I OOTL?

Emerald ,

Umm, very. Look up “hang Mike Pence”

politico.com/…/trump-expressed-support-hanging-pe…

pineapplelover ,

The article says he supported Biden winning. Oh noooooo a fair and equal election, no wayyy

ours ,

Oh no, the guy said no to Trump refusing to break the law during the January 6th “oopsie treason failed uprising” so he burned that bridge.

Can’t have people blatantly respecting democracy and the rule of law, that’s not how the possible future felon-in-chief rolls. (But yet somehow it’s the democrats inciting violence against him, hum.)

UncleGrandPa ,

Its very easy to see that Putin is running the GOP.

At this point it looks like they are competing on who in the GOP can suck up to the russians the most

Fedizen ,

how does he always look like he’s like 3 days into a binge drinking session?

vodkasolution ,

Does J stand for Junk?

NotMyOldRedditName ,

JustSuckingPutinsCock

StaySquared ,

Good. No more war. No more foreign aid. We need to focus on Americans and America.

Jamil ,

He still wants to send all the aid Israel will not ever want to commit genocide.

StaySquared ,

Unfortunately the U.S. belongs to Israel.

And fkin lol @ people downvoting:

No more war.

No more foreign aid.

We need to focus on Americans and America.

Holy moly, some of yall are insufferable.

DarkNightoftheSoul ,
@DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz avatar

we heard you the first time. get down voted twice ig

Prandom_returns ,

If you think US can sustain itself without foreign products, you’re high on your own farts. Open a window to the basement, get some fresh air.

StaySquared ,

I never said anything about trade… wtf lol

Prandom_returns ,

Holy shit, can you not think just one little step ahead?

StaySquared ,

You jumped to the conclusion that I’m asking for some kind of self imposed trade embargo. You’re pretending to, “think one little step ahead”… you fkin with a game of checkers, I’m on 4D Chess. GTFO. lmao

Prandom_returns ,

Yeah. I can see you’re not the sharpest hoe in the shed.

Playing 4D chess… As the pigeon.

AngryCommieKender ,

Last time we did that we had 2 world wars back to back

StaySquared ,

Can you expand on that? Seems conflicting.

A policy of no war, no foreign aid and especially focusing on America and everything in it… how did that lead to world wars?

rowanthorpe ,
@rowanthorpe@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ll answer the “why would it now lead to disaster” part, and by shuffling names, places, & contexts around I believe much of that can be obliquely backported to the same question with respect to runup to the world wars of yore.

USA’s multi-decade cultural imperialism and dogged pursuit of economic hegemony led to it imposing itself as a global barometer and gatekeeper (despite being famously incompetent at both). The upshot is that now, even though philosophically it would be wonderful for the US to finally stop enforcing a petrodollar-driven serfdom on so much of the world in the name of “infinite (US economic) expansion”, pragmatically speaking a magical and abrupt “pull out” would be wildly irresponsible, much like yanking an arrow out of a wound in the direction from which it entered (causing a Jackson Pollock’s worth of collateral damage). That would largely be because the sudden power vacuum would not be able to be filled in time by other countries (who are under-resourced due to aforementioned hegemonic squeezing), leaving not enough people to “not tolerate the intolerant”, leading to explosive expansion of the “ignorant bullies masquerading as politicians” brigade (not unlike Hitler’s opportunistic power-grab while the politicians who should have been the ballwark against him hubristically sat on their hands). See: ournationalconversation.org/…/explaining-the-para…

StaySquared ,

Well, the U.S. doesn’t have to worry about enforcing the petro-dollar, because the Global South is pulling away from the petro-dollar. The U.S. is going to have to start looking into opening up those oil reserves that Biden closed and bringing jobs back to America that were exported to other nations. Self sufficiency, at least more so than current, needs to be the goal. The world, outside of the Western World, is turning its back on the U.S. and rightfully so… sooner or later so too will the Western Powers turn their backs on the U.S.

I agree though that an abrupt pullout like Biden did in Afghanistan is a stupid fkin idea and should be done gracefully.

AngryCommieKender ,

Manufacturing jobs, and most other low wage jobs, never left the US. That is a lie fed to you by your wage slave masters. The US currently manufactures 300% more products than we did in 1972 which was the last year of the golden age of the 20th century US. The wage slave masters automated those jobs, so we do triple the production with 1/100 the workforce.

We are already self sufficient. Isolationism will not help any of your stated goals, and will cause global instability.

StaySquared ,

So I work in the IT industry… almost everything IT related, some portion of it has been exported overseas. Same goes for the customer service industry.

AngryCommieKender ,

Sounds like you need unions. One of the many reasons I left IT was the complete lack of unions.

Objection ,

Vance doesn’t want that, he just wants out of this particular conflict so he can start shit somewhere else.

StaySquared ,

God forbid.

Objection ,

Yes, it would be bad to start another war somewhere else.

abbotsbury ,
@abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not mutually exclusive, which of his policies are actually focusing on Americans?

Prandom_returns ,

Lmao, living in a glass house during a hail.

“Let’s focus on not getting hit”

Furbag ,

Oh look, he shaved his beard for Daddy Trump. Wouldn’t want Dear Leader to disapprove of your facial hair now would we, Jay Dee?

Riccosuave ,
@Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

He has to continue his twink transition. He’s obviously the bottom in this relationship.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Another Russian stoogie.

Akuden ,

Not everyone who disagrees with war or your position on it is deep throating Putin.

lennivelkant ,

But someone that blatantly argues for Russia’s benefit probably has some ulterior motives. Doesn’t have to be deep throating Putin, money will probably do.

Krauerking ,

I mean it sounds like he wants chea p Russian labor and goods to compete with Chinese versions of the same.

He’s a Republican. He just wants to personally get rich and doesn’t consider or care what happens to other people on the way to it. Sacrificing half a country that isn’t his so that an oligarchy can turn around and sell back the oil, gas and coal of the land and potentially farm goods at a cheaper slave labor produced price sounds like shrewd business practice to him probably and figures it would get him on the good side of Putin a man with powerful connections.

He misses the mark that China and Russia are working together and you can’t really separate that to get one to hurt more than the other. But that’s getting to much in the weeds of his plans.

I know it’s hard but people generally aren’t some evil spy or some terrible monster aiming to cause destruction. A lot are just people. Self centered and uncaring of the pain they cause and sure they didn’t do anything wrong cause it was supposed to work out for them. People don’t need to get paid first to be awful.

Akuden ,

I’m not Republican.

Krauerking ,

Everyone uses third person pronouns to refer to Vance and the suddenly you can’t figure it out when faced with a counter argument?

Really? Are you for real?

militaryintelligence ,

They have Putin’s cock firmly up their ass but they tell themselves it’s just a turd.

Prandom_returns ,

Some of them just hate Ukranians for no reason?

Akuden ,

Not wanting to fund a war doesn’t mean they hate Ukraine or it’s citizens.

Prandom_returns ,

Okay, let me walk you through this.

You see a kid down on the floor being kicked by a bully.

Your ‘solution’ is to not intervene, because you’re ‘against violence’ ?

Fucking logic.

Akuden ,

Right!

Except the kid is across the world, and we don’t know them very well. Last we heard, they were one of the worst children in the world. Instead of asking the neighbors to pool money to build a boat to go save this kid, you go to all your neighbors and steal that money.

Fuckin’ a logic.

Prandom_returns ,

Oh, so you do hate the kid.

That clears it up, thanks.

Akuden ,

You’re welcome, glad you could put more words in my mouth.

Prandom_returns ,

I’m surprised there’s any space left in that mouth of yours.

SSJMarx ,

say something obviously true

85% downvotes

oh yeah, it’s .world time

andxz ,

I’ve been on the outside observing this escalating shit show for 8 years now and I think I’ve finally reached the point where I don’t even have the words to convey what I feel about the current state of American politics.

I mean, I know there’s a lot of history behind it etc., but just the past months? I don’t even…

I hope shit gets better for ya’ll, I sincerely do.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

don’t even have the words to convey what I feel about the current state of American politics.

It’s just fascism, volks.

ChillPenguin ,

Don’t worry. It won’t. As an American, I too have reached that point as well.

andxz ,

Still rooting for all the millions of you that I know are awesome people, but …yeah.

Pretzilla ,

Putin is behind all of it

andxz ,

I’m Finnish, so if there’s one thing I’m aware of it is Putin and his various machinations.

Randomgal ,

He’s not. He didn’t put a gun to the head of the judges que made the president immune to prosecution. He didn’t punt a gun to the politicians denying climate change. He didn’t call on Trump’s followers to storm the US capitol. All of that was the US and it’s people.

Putin was probably just cheerleading his puppets as it all happened. But make no mistake, seeds only grow in fertile soil.

assassin_aragorn ,

Don’t worry about it, a lot of us in the US feel the same. I’m just tired, boss.

mecfs ,

🤮

Blackmist ,

What’s the lead time on T-shirt printing these days?

Should I get the “Hang JD Vance” shirts printed now so I’ve got them ready to sell, or wait until Trump inevitably turns on him?

elucubra ,

3 to 10 days. Quantity? Colors? Cotton weight ?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Vance is going to push Trump down a flight of stairs his first five minutes in office. He’s going to invoke the 25th amendment so fast it’ll make your head spin.

The guy has absolutely no interest in being VP and his buddies in Silicon Valley are already chomping at the bit for a Techbro Coup. He’s not going to wait 3 hours much less 3 days.

vaultdweller013 ,

The concept of a Techbro coup is so fucking absurd to me. Like I can recognize it as a threat, but also I suspect it would last a whole of five seconds until you have a pile of Techbro corpses. Mostly cause Techbros are the dumbest motherfuckers and only have soft power, add on to the fact that nobody fucking likes them and well theres a good chance theyd be mulched.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Like I can recognize it as a threat, but also I suspect it would last a whole of five seconds until you have a pile of Techbro corpses.

Plenty of the coups in Latin America and the Middle East during the 50s and 60s were sponsored by these bean-counters and their billionaire buddies working out of various right-wing think tanks. The Chicago School of Business produced legions of these fuckers and flew them out from Mexico City to Santiago to Brasília. The Saudi Crown Prince MBS has absolutely inundated himself with these freaks in his quest to build the world’s most technologically advanced shopping mall. New Zealand is currently drowning in Techbro fascism, after their local media was hijacked by the far right and the residents talked into electing a white nationalist government.

Hell, states like California and Texas and Florida are already thick with these ghouls. That’s a big reason why our energy prices are skyrocketing in these states. Techbros build these enormous power-hog data centers and jack up the price of electricity for everyone else.

Techbros are the dumbest motherfuckers and only have soft power

They have a great deal of institutional power through contracts with federal and state governments. They’re embedded deep in the post-War on Terror panopticon and own huge stakes in private media, so they get to dictate a lot of what we see and hear while distorting public outcries and SWATing political dissidents.

Techbros aren’t the brightest, but cops are way dumber and more easy to manipulate. And as our domestic budget increasingly becomes “Oops! All Cops!” that means obedience to the Techbro Establishment is how you make money and keep your job, especially as law enforcement.

That’s huge leverage in a system that already favors extremist ultra-nationalist white supremacy.

vaultdweller013 ,

Dont take my amusement as dismissal, its foolish to underestimate ones enemy. Everything you said is decently true, hell I should know my great grandfather helped run the proto Techbros out of the region back in the 70s. No the weakness of the fascistic Techbro is that they are inherently institutional, anything that works outside of it or doesnt follow procedures is inherently at an advantage against them. Do you really think Musk or Thiel consider that someone may just blow them up with a car bomb or shoot them point blank with a 12 gauge?

Their power is drawn from the institutions making them inherently a secondary power behind the actual fascist leadership. They have influence dont get me wrong, but it is unlikely that they could hold a fascist government together. The fascist respects strength, but the Techbros have none. They hide behind laws, money, and influence.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

They have influence dont get me wrong, but it is unlikely that they could hold a fascist government together.

That’s just fascism generally speaking. You either liberalize or you fail. A paranoid personality cult of an administration can’t last long without people Operation Valkyrie-ing each other, as evidence by Trump’s ear going missing last weekend.

But in the meantime, you get to restructure the liberal order so that your people are in charge when the dust settles.

vaultdweller013 ,

The point I am trying to make is that to even get to the point where they can set shit up for the future they first must get past the first hurdle of consolidation. Very few Techbros can develop the personality cult required, even the ones with a personality cult are still not strong enough in personality to grow it, look at musk for an example. They are dangerous but mostly as the backers of a fascist, by themselves theyre less dangerous than a sleep deprived redneck with a shovel.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Very few Techbros can develop the personality cult required, even the ones with a personality cult are still not strong enough in personality to grow it, look at musk for an example.

That’s why they introduce guys like Vance, though. He’s a great front-man for the operation because liberals continue to treat him as just another moderate midwestern politician. And he’s proven his star power, with his movie and book deal.

They are dangerous but mostly as the backers of a fascist, by themselves theyre less dangerous than a sleep deprived redneck with a shovel.

I guess we’ll see…

vaultdweller013 ,

Yeah I feel like we agree and its just down to specifics and minutia at this point. Good discussion though dude.

sudo ,

I think you’re taking “coup” here too literally. Its implied that it’ll be a political coup, not an actual violent one.

PsychedSy ,

Picture of him.

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