There have been multiple accounts created with the sole purpose of posting advertisement posts or replies containing unsolicited advertising.

Accounts which solely post advertisements, or persistently post them may be terminated.

assassin_aragorn ,

Putin has done wonders for convincing his neighbors to join NATO in his effort to stop a neighbor from joining NATO. Fucking dumbass.

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

Actually it is an “if”

If Ukraine doesn’t lose.

Son_of_dad ,

Then fucking when??

Gigan ,
@Gigan@lemmy.world avatar

Probably not in the middle of the war with Russia. Once that is resolved they will be able to join.

avater ,
@avater@lemmy.world avatar

this will never be resolved. Russia has already shifted its economy to war, they are not gonna leave or surrender it’s all or nothing for them…

So this means sadly no NATO membership for Ukraine as I don’t see how we get the Russians of of this country without boots on the ground.

Bernie_Sandals ,
@Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world avatar

No country can run on a war economy forever, eventually it starts to harm the living standards of the population, and Ukrainians can endure a lot more of that than middle and upper class Moscovites. As long as we supply the weapons, Ukraine can outlast Russia.

avater ,
@avater@lemmy.world avatar

No country can run on a war economy forever, eventually it starts to harm the living standards of the population

I agree to that, but Russia can endure this also for a long time and doesn’t give a shit about its population, that much we already know. We are now in the second year of this degnerated war and the west is already showing signs of fatigue. So it’s more about how long we as the collective west can endure this war and the support for Ukraine and with Trump on the horizont for the americans and the rise of those far right dipshits here in germany and other countries in europe, I’m not that optimistic.

To really end this war I think the western countries and the NATO have to do a lot more in terms of direct support with more weapons, training, ammunition and support for Ukraine, i personally would also favor NATO troops in Ukraine. They also have to cut ties with Russia in every single aspect, isolate them from everything, cease their money and give it to ukraine, punish their oligarchs, enforce every single sanction a lot harder (with force if necessary) and completley ignore all the intimidations, even their threats with nuclear weapons.

Because Russia must not win this war! If they would win, it would show that every country can attack and do whatever the fuck it wants and also manipulate and surpress others under the protection of their nuclear weapons and we have to prevent this at any cost.

saltesc ,

When is a long time away. There’s conditions for joining and NATO can’t break its.owm charter on this, lest they’re not really NATO anymore.

takeda ,

While there are conditions, you seem to imply that not having a border dispute is one of them, but that’s actually not true, other countries with border disputes did join NATO in the past (see Greece and Turkey for example). It ultimately comes down to votes.

bamboo ,

Greece and Turkey’s were primarily with each other though, and they were admitted together such that it became a dispute within NATO rather than between a NATO and non-NATO state

saltesc ,

Which also has its own article in the charter. Basically NATO doesn’t involve itself if NATO nations are quarreling. Other nations of NATO can still involve themselves as much as they like, but under their own flags.

spongebue ,

Canada and Denmark also had the most adorable and honestly, meaningless border dispute up until a couple years ago

saltesc ,

I’m not implying.

The Parties may, by unanimous agreement, invite any other European State in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area to accede to this Treaty. Any State so invited may become a Party to the Treaty by depositing its instrument of accession with the Government of the United States of America. The Government of the United States of America will inform each of the Parties of the deposit of each such instrument of accession.

Currently this is agreed by…

New members must uphold democracy, which includes tolerating diversity.

New members must be in the midst of making progress toward a market economy.

The nations’ military forces must be under firm, civilian control.

The nations must be good neighbors and respect sovereignty outside their borders.

The nations must be working toward compatibility with NATO forces.

The principle conditions can change, go, etc. but Article 10 won’t see the votes happen if the current principle conditions listed above aren’t being or can be met upon joining. This is why it’s coincidence you bring up Turkey who had their membership under threat during the 2016 coup attempt as it conflicted with the first and third principles. However, they were met upon joining back in the '50s.

Since Russia obviously won’t be joining, Ukraine joining won’t suddenly have Russia agree with NATO that it’ll do it’s part too to ensure the conditions are met by Ukraine henceforth.

Windex007 ,

I can live with NATO2

dubyakay ,

NATWO

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

“We must ensure reliable and predictable security assistance to Ukraine for the long haul so that we rely less on voluntary contributions and more on NATO commitments, less on short-term offers and more on multi-year pledges.”

That call was backed by the UK Foreign Secretary David Cameron, who said upon arrival at the meeting that it was “vital that Britain and [NATO] get the weapons and support Ukraine needs” by committing “two percent” of GDP.

The push for more aid comes amid mounting concern that support for Ukraine’s defensive efforts against Russia’s invasion is stalling and warnings from Kyiv that ammunition stockpiles are running low.

German news agency DPA cited NATO diplomats as saying they aim to make support for Ukraine less dependent on political developments in individual member states and to shift the burden of responsibility among the alliance.

The NATO proposals aim to make the procurement and provision of aid to Ukraine less dependent on the US-led UDCG, especially given the possible reelection of former US President Donald Trump.

“If NATO could take over responsibility for support for Ukraine, it could be protected from any domestic issues in any member state — and of course that refers to the major aid package currently being stalled in the US Congress,” explained DW’s Alexandra von Nahmen, reporting from the summit.

The original article contains 920 words, the summary contains 215 words. Saved 77%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

  • All
  • Subscribed
  • Moderated
  • Favorites
  • •
  • [email protected]
  • random
  • lifeLocal
  • goranko
  • All magazines
    •