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HikingVet ,

Fuck the catholic church, tax the fuckers into non-existence.

gerryflap ,
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Religion is a poison. Why can’t they just let people be

catloaf ,

It would put them out of business.

arefx ,

I can’t believe there’s people giving 10% for a bunch of lies.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

Gender ideology, which seeks to blur differences between men and women through movements such as transgenderism, “makes everything the same,” Francis said.

No mate, your paedophile organisation is an actual danger, genocide in the name of religion is a danger, Christianity is a danger.

Trans people are not a danger. Non-binary people are not a danger.

SinningStromgald ,

How will the priests, bishops, cardinals etc. know who to molest if they can’t tell the boys from girls? And then what if they can’t? They just STOP molesting people? Then what? Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… MASS HYSTERIA!

jimmux ,

Many many years ago, I saw a doco during a high school health class. It had stuff about gender identity, and included an interview from the 80’s with George Pell. He was ranting about how fashion these days was too androgynous, and you couldn’t tell the girls from the boys.

That was the first I ever heard from that man, and immediately disliked him.

Interesting to see where he ended up.

SinningStromgald ,

Google says he died in January 2023. So six feet under is where he ended up.

jimmux ,

After he spent too long as a powerful pedo priest.

billiam0202 ,

MASS HYSTERIA!

Seeing as how we’re talking about the Catholic Church, hysteria at Mass seems relevant. 😉

b3an ,
@b3an@lemmy.world avatar

I know a Ghostbusters reference from a mile away…

radicalautonomy ,

If CPS agents sent by Greg Abbott come knocking on my door because some teacher at my kid’s school reports me for having a transgender kid, my non-binary ass will definitely be a danger.

fiercekitten ,

I’m laughing hysterically at the people who downvoted you for making an objective statement of fact in our present day.

Infynis ,
@Infynis@midwest.social avatar

I’m upvoting this, not because I agree with it, but because it is relevant for this community. Like it or not (and I certainly don’t), the Catholic Church has massive global power. Knowing where they stand on this issue is important, especially since this Pope, seemingly, has been trying to appear more progressive.

wahming ,

Two steps forward, one step backwards I guess

toastus ,

No steps forward…

wahming ,

I’m referring to the pope’s acceptance of gay marriage

AbouBenAdhem , (edited )

Pope Francis: ”Today the ugliest danger is gender ideology, which cancels out differences … Erasing differences is erasing humanity.”

St. Paul: ”There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Jesus Christ.”

DharmaCurious ,
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Came here looking for someone to have quoted this. I quote it to bigots all the time and it straight pisses them off.

ninjabard ,

I used it in a wedding between two men that I officiated.

DharmaCurious ,
@DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

Good use for it! My best friend is a former Baptist preacher who still occasionally preaches at different churches, and he likes to use it whenever that comes up.

Mind if I ask if it was a religious ceremony?

ninjabard ,

Not really, but both grooms gave me a verse to read and they pretty much gave me carte blanche for the rest of the ceremony.

DharmaCurious ,
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I love the idea of an officiant with total free reign. “You may now kiss… The grooms mother on the cheek. … Just playing, y’all. They gonna dance. Dance, boys!”

feedum_sneedson ,

Tell that to a slave, but I get the sentiment.

nogooduser ,

It’s a message of how things should be, not how things are.

StereoTrespasser ,

It’s actually a message that all are welcome to be baptized, but people love to quote it out of context for the issue du jour.

captainlezbian ,

The message was that Christian’s shouldn’t look down on slaves or see them as any lesser. I see it as calling people to act as John Brown, to not only free the slaves but to look at them as one’s full equals

nac82 ,

Except for all the verses on how to properly punish and manage your slaves as well as detailing how slaves must serve their masters.

The book has a detailed record of how it considers slaves different from people.

captainlezbian , (edited )

Not disagreeing that it’s a contradictory mess. It’s why sola scriptura is a ridiculous theology that can justify anything and that even tradition doesn’t fix it. But also that’s the vibe I got from that epistle. Though if it was written by Paul I probably misinterpreted it, but iirc it wasn’t wasn’t one of the Pauline epistles.

ETA: it looks like it’s the first of Paul’s letters. Paul was weird. Early Christianity basically took an extremely egalitarian stance, but Paul contributed romanization of it and implemented a lot of the misogyny, justification of power, etc that we all know and hate about Christianity. That wave was where Christianity went from what today we would consider an internationalist anarcho communist movement packaged in a religious cult and began the dismantling of the revolutionary elements of it into a religion where the most progressive leader in centuries is condemning transness as a concept and bars women from the priesthood. A religion that left the pacifism it began with and became the state religion of the Roman Empire without actually changing the Roman Empire’s cultural rules. Where certain things the cultists would’ve likely been more accepting of than Roman pagans became condemned as pagan and anti Christianity.

And it’s important to remember this only happened because Jesus if he was real and accurately recorded, was likely a man suffering the beginnings of a mental illness while preaching.

Silentiea ,

It’s why sola scriptura is a ridiculous theology that can justify anything

Fun fact, in formal logic once you accept a contradiction, you can literally prove anything.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres ,

He said while wearing a beadazzled cloak, long skirt, and ballet flats.

unmagical ,

Aren’t there multiple genocides going on right now?

yeahiknow3 ,

To be fair, genocide is nowhere near as bad as a man wearing a dress or something.

PorradaVFR ,

As asserted by a guy who chose a non-reproductive life of celibacy, hangs out with a bunch of fellas in dresses and bases his opinions on stories preceding the Dark Ages.

So maybe let’s not listen?

PrincessLeiasCat , (edited )
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Focusing the Friday morning address on the “anthropological crisis and the necessary promotion of human and Christian vocations,” Pope Francis said this task is challenged by myriad social challenges arising from the cultural zeitgeist, including gender ideology.

Highlighting the anthropological angle of the conference, the pope pointed to “an elementary and fundamental truth, which today we need to rediscover in all its beauty: The life of the human being is a vocation.”

The pope emphasized that this is a foundational element “which underlies every call within the community” and “has to do with an essential characteristic of the human being as such.”

What the fuck does this even mean?

Jimmyeatsausage ,

“Women should have more babies…and probably stay home to raise them”

PrincessLeiasCat ,
@PrincessLeiasCat@lemmy.world avatar

I suppose I’ve failed this test then :(

DarkGamer ,
@DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

What the fuck does this mean?

"The job of humans is to adhere to traditional gender roles."

charonn0 ,
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“It is very important that there is this meeting, this meeting between men and women, because today the ugliest danger is gender ideology, which cancels out differences,” the pope said during an audience with members of the French-based academic organization Research and Anthropology of Vocations Institute (CRAV).

He’s demanding that everyone conform to his narrow worldview… in the name of preserving our differences?

That’s some impressive mental gymnastics, even for a Pope.

floofloof ,

Huh. Fascism is on the rise everywhere. The planet is being destroyed by greedy billionaires. People are struggling to pay for food. There are wars and genocides. But he thinks the ugliest danger is “gender ideology”, whatever that is.

And he says it erases differences. If “gender ideology” is being a non-bigot about gender, then that respects differences. What erases differences is forcing everyone to conform to only two set gender stereotypes.

It’s saddening that dogma prevents him seeing how dramatically advances in understanding and respect for gender have improved so many people’s lives. And it’s disappointing to see him align himself and his church with forces of oppression.

Canadian_anarchist ,
@Canadian_anarchist@lemmy.ca avatar

The Catholic church expressed clear support for Hitler’s Nazi party. It’s almost like shitbirds of a feather flock together to oppress minorities.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
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Mussolini made the Vatican a theocratic nation-state. It is baked into the cake.

rambaroo ,

The Vatican had a history of literally being a nation state long before Mussolini.

apfelwoiSchoppen , (edited )
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That may be true but it wasn’t in 1929 as the dictator was beginning to define the word fascism. Then Mussolini gave the vatican nationhood distinct from Italy.

sir_pronoun ,

Exactly… Jesus Christ.

sir_pronoun ,

It’s doubly sad because Christian teachings could actually be a good influence on people. Like that quote above shows, there’s good thoughts in there (alongside bullshit, of course.) When modern people, who respect science, develop a reflected and balanced faith, that can be a good thing. It’s just so damn rare, and the bigots are in charge

captainlezbian ,

Also weren’t eunuchs explicitly welcomed into the early church

Silentiea , (edited )

And he says it erases differences. If “gender ideology” is being a non-bigot about gender, then that respects differences. What erases differences is forcing everyone to conform to only two set gender stereotypes.

Yeah. I read things like this and just wonder what exactly I’m erasing by being myself? And if I do my best to try and parse his statements about how we should be acting instead of the “gender ideology” way of acting… I don’t stop being a lady. It’s not a thing I’ve "decided’ I’m going to do now that I’ll stop once you remind me that I’m called to be a human and live for good or whatever. Pretty sure I’ve been doing that the whole time, if I understand it at all.

Edit: typos/clarity

Crow ,
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I’ve been waiting for him to to do something like this. It was too good to have a pope that didn’t seem evil.

Jarix ,

Well after pope palpatine they decided to go in the other direction for a while i guess

FartsWithAnAccent ,
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Counter argument: Your organization raped thousands of kids repeatedly and covered it up repeatedly for decades, probably hundreds of years. Never mind all the other horrible shit the Catholic church has done, so uh, fuck off and leave trans people alone? Their lives are hard enough without your bullshit.

NineMileTower ,

Transgendered people are an abomination, but fuckin a kid? Now, well, that’s just god’s will.

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    ABCDE ,

    You siding with the Catholic church doesn’t make you look good.

    maness300 ,

    I don’t really care about appearances.

    afraid_of_zombies OP ,

    Unless of course it is a person having an appearance different than what they were assigned at birth.

    TSG_Asmodeus ,
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    image

    maness300 ,

    No, they can look however they want.

    Are you going to admit you’re wrong about your assumption, or just double-down?

    afraid_of_zombies OP ,

    No. I don’t play with the coy.

    ABCDE ,

    Except your stance here means you clearly do.

    maness300 ,

    Lol. Really?

    KLISHDFSDF ,
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    your attitude/personality is ugly. do better.

    jordanlund ,
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    Removed, Rule 4:

    “Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.”

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