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Veneroso ,

Welp so much for the woke pope. Literally blaming your problems on the minority of a minority.

Human suffering in Palestine?
Ukraine? Africa? Global warming? The rise of fascism?

Nah, better go after personal freedoms.

rab ,

These pedophiles will backtrack when church membership goes down

Anise ,

A “fun” game when reading quotes from bigots is to swap out “gender ideology” with “bodily autonomy” to realize how absurd, hateful, and fascist the message really is. That’s really what we’re talking about; being trans isn’t a choice but expressing your true gender is somewhat* a choice you make with your body and aesthetic. Fascists don’t want people to have freedom, they want to have power over you for power’s sake. The pushback against “gender ideology” isn’t the reasoned philosophic debate that they want it to sound like, it’s a war against already-marginalized people. It’s “a boot stamping on a human face” because power is both the means and the ends for these fucks. Anyone supporting these assholes should ask themselves what happens if they finally succeed to stamp out the queer menace. Fascists’ continued existence requires another group to persecute and if history is any guide it will be religious minorities, racial minorities, political rivals, etc. until the world is empty and there is no “fruitful ‘tension” that Pope Franky states that he values so much aside from the powerful and those that they decided to keep as slaves.

*somewhat because for many the choice is transition or suicide

Anise ,

“today the ugliest danger is gender ideology, which cancels out differences”

Well I’m glad he said the misogynistic part out loud. In a religion in which only men can hold power, blurring the lines between who can be a man undermines their power structure. They see women as inferior chattel and the strict gender binary allows them to enforce their hegemony. I suppose the pope thinks that LGBT* people around the world being murdered and persecuted is a good thing as long as the cis white straight men get to stay in power.

Your position is a joke, and everyone with 2 brain cells can tell that it can only exist by enslaving half of the population and trying to murder another 2%. Like any good tiny dictator, you don’t inspire respect for people to follow you, you reach for the cudgel of violence, and make no mistake, your words inspire violence just as much as if you lit the torches yourself. Your god will judge you accordingly.

TK420 ,

Me: “Today the ugliest danger is religion”

Get fucked Francis and the rest of your followers can get fucked as well.

Harbinger01173430 ,

Inshallah

UraniumBlazer ,

Wasn’t he the one to come out in support of homosexuality? Or was it just to justify the morality behind diddling little boys?

A_Random_Idiot ,

“You are as god made you”

“No no no, not like that, I mean white and cis”

roguetrick ,

“This discovery,” the pope added, “brings us out of the isolation of a self-referential ego and makes us look at ourselves as an identity in relation.”

So racism is good because it creates a “tension” that allows you to compare yourself to others too, I take it?

Fundementally these arguments aren’t even about trans folks. They’re reheated arguments about second wave feminism.

abracaDavid ,

Quick! The people are rebelling against the genocide that we’re committing!

Better bring out ol faithful to divide the people: gender politics.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Do you think the Pope is controlled by Israel?

Fungah ,

I think he’s controller by bees. The queen lives inside of his hat.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

It’s been established that the hat was made to give plenty of room for Saint Peter’s rabbit ears!

mellowheat ,

Quick! The people are rebelling against the genocide that we’re committing!

I don’t think the Catholic Church is attacking Ukraine. You’re perhaps thinking of the Russian Orthodox Church.

Wanderer ,

Treating everyone the same is a problem though. Mostly men and women are different and accepting that is Good and healthy.

bastion ,

Yep. People differ from each other, and one common way is along gender lines. Doesn’t mean everyone of a particular gender is the same. …but, if there weren’t differences, there would be no need for identifying with one, or the other, or both, or neither.

Wanderer ,

No but we are getting to the point where solutions to problems are one size fit all. And healthy things in one gender must be a good solution for the other gender and that’s not thr case.

bastion ,

True for gender sometimes, and true just for people in general most of the time. Generalization, whether about gender or gender-neutrality, or an any other area, can be useful when right, and harmful when wrong. Like any tool, forcible application is likely to break either the tool or what one applies it to.

maness300 ,

Be careful, you’re literally not allowed to say you agree with him or your comment will get removed.

This place has worse censorship than reddit.

Siegfried ,

The pope sometimes reminds me of that lawyer representing zoidberg in the earth’s flag case

gingernate ,

Hahahahha that old miner dude?

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

mister waterfall

Furbag ,

Trans people are the biggest issue right now, says group with a paedophile problem.

Fungah ,

Imo “,the trans issue” is cut and dry. Be who you want, do what you want. Doesn’t affect me, or anyone else.

I’m starting to take an issue with everyone who isn’t trans though, and how weirdly obsessive and angry everyone iand their mother is about an issue that doesn’t affect a vast majority of the population.

I get that people can care about more than one issue at once. But wage inequality, homelessness, war, genocide,declining standards of living, student loans - there are so many issues that deserve our collective consideration and action on more.

It’s a non issue. What other people do to themselves and how they present themselves is their business. Its not that these issues don’t matter, they do, but we have bigger fish to fry and while I’m personally glad to see such a widespread desire to advance causes like this I can’t help but feel like the time so many people spend bickering online about it is time that could be better spent offline doing things that would advance these causes anyway.

And it doesn’t help that the time spent bickering isn’t even productive. It’s just people who already agree withe sch otherr aggressively reinforcing each others,’ beliefs to the point of militancy.

I’m not allowed to have opinions on the subject, and I largely don’t because it really doesn’t affect me snd I’m already in support of people being able to live how they choose anyway, but I’m bombarded with posts about the issue wherever I go, and I’m ju#t so fatigued by how little it matters on the grand scale of things, while being sensitive to how it can be the most important things of the world to some people.

31337 ,

On the left, it’s due to intersectionality. And that the attacks against trans people is part of a broader attack from the christofascists to create outgroups and use hate and fear to obtain power (very similar to what the Nazis did with “degenerates” and jews). “First they came for…” and all that.

Anise ,

Yes, this. I wore makeup and spent all day in the wood shop yesterday. We better burn down society so that isn’t allowed. Never mind that the world is literally burning and homelessness is rampant even in the richest cities. Don’t look at that, look over here at the queer person!

anon987 ,

Schizophrenic man that hears voices tells his cultists no body mods.

Better title.

afraid_of_zombies OP ,

Haha I agree

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