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aidan ,

Median income US: $48,625

Median income France: $29,131

You could take 1/3rd of the year off and still earn more.

Stuff like this gets baked into wages…

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Cool, can I take a third of the year off here in America and still keep my job?

Otherwise, I think I’ll take the lower pay plus all the days off and the free healthcare.

aidan ,

Depends on the job, that’s what a teacher does, and the average teacher salary is double the median french salary

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Teachers do not get free healthcare. I have no idea why you’re even suggesting it.

aidan ,

What’re you talking about? I didn’t say anything about healthcare or health insurance. But I will say now, full time public school teachers do get health insurance usually

FlyingSquid OP ,
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I said it. You responded to it. I guess you responded without reading.

And as someone with the same insurance they give to the local teachers and is thousands of dollars in medical debt over just two years, comparing that to the French healthcare system is laughable.

aidan ,

I said it. You responded to it. I guess you responded without reading.

What? Again. I did not say teachers get free healthcare before. Why are you so hostile? I get the impression that you either want to view anyone who disagrees with you as dumb or a villain.

Anyways, you said:

Cool, can I take a third of the year off here in America and still keep my job?

Otherwise, I think I’ll take the lower pay plus all the days off and the free healthcare.

To which I responded:

Depends on the job, that’s what a teacher does, and the average teacher salary is double the median french salary

Because yes, a teacher does get a third of the year off.

And as someone with the same insurance they give to the local teachers and is thousands of dollars in medical debt over just two years, comparing that to the French healthcare system is laughable.

$30,000 of debt? If not you still would’ve made more money than in France.

FlyingSquid OP , (edited )
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

See that “free healthcare” line you literally pasted from my post? That’s the part you didn’t respond to.

$30,000 of debt?

How are you not aware that there are things health insurance either doesn’t cover or doesn’t cover 100%?

There’s also this thing you’ve apparently never heard of called a deductible.

aidan ,

See that “free healthcare” line you literally pasted from my post? That’s the part you didn’t respond to.

Correct, meaning I didn’t claim they did have it…

How are you not aware that there are things health insurance either doesn’t cover or doesn’t cover 100%?

What does that have to do with what I said. Also FYI, there’s a lot of things single payer systems don’t cover. One of my relatives has to travel to the US for treatment

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Travel to the U.S. from where? Treatment for what? Do you expect me to just accept that?

By the way, you know what else a lot of the French don’t have? Student loan debt.

aidan ,

Travel to the U.S. from where? Treatment for what? Do you expect me to just accept that?

What? For medical treatment not provided in her home country with a single payer system. Like I said, not all single payer systems are the same.

By the way, you know what else a lot of the French don’t have? Student loan debt.

Okay?

FlyingSquid OP ,
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For medical treatment not provided in her home country with a single payer system.

This is so ridiculously vague that I have no reason to believe it.

Also, I’m not sure why this isn’t clear to you either, but teachers in the U.S. have massive amounts of student loan debts.

aidan ,

This is so ridiculously vague that I have no reason to believe it.

You can believe what you want. You have no way to audit it anyways, you’re just looking for a reason to dismiss it. So there’s really no point in me bothering to explain the situation.

Also, I’m not sure why this isn’t clear to you either, but teachers in the U.S. have massive amounts of student loan debts.

Yes some teachers do and some don’t.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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And now you’re being incredibly disingenuous. Almost all American teachers have student loan debt for the same reason that almost all American college students have student loan debt.

And I’m not “looking for a reason to dismiss it,” you’ve given me a reason to dismiss it since I can’t investigate why this disorder was not treatable in the country they left.

aidan ,

Almost all American teachers have student loan debt for the same reason that almost all American college students have student loan debt.

Do you have a source for that? I didn’t go to college in the US, but of my friends that did, none have debt.

And I’m not “looking for a reason to dismiss it,” you’ve given me a reason to dismiss it since I can’t investigate why this disorder was not treatable in the country they left.

I’ll tell you the reason, she was deemed too old for it to be financially viable and was just offered hospice care

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Sorry, no, that’s not the reason she was ill or what country she was in.

Also-

Most teachers have taken out student loans to support their education. Just over 60% of all full-time, public school teachers—about 2.1 million—have taken out student loans to pay for their education. Rates of borrowing among teachers are similar to the borrowing rates of all individuals who have recently completed a bachelor’s or a master’s degree. Among all teachers, 55.5% of teachers with a bachelor’s degree and 63.2% of teachers with a master’s degree have ever borrowed for their education, while 60.8% of all individuals who completed a bachelor’s degree and 66.2% of those who completed a master’s degree in any major in 2020 had taken out student loans. However, the borrowing rates among program completers who majored in education are higher than the average program completer in any major at both the bachelor’s (75.9%) and master’s (76.4%) degree levels of educational attainment.

Many teachers are still repaying their student loans. Roughly 1.3 million teachers are repaying their student loans, suggesting that the resumption of student loan repayments affects close to 4 of every 10 teachers (37.2%), nearly one third of whom (11.5% of all teachers) still owe their entire balance. As expected by the typical timing and structure of student loans and teachers’ ability to repay over time, the portion of teachers who carry loan balances decreases as teachers age and gain teaching experience. Still, a sizeable portion of teachers carry loan debt well into their careers: For example, almost 2 of every 10 teachers over 61 years old are still repaying loans. On average, teachers who were repaying their student loans report paying $342 a month, which exceeds the amount the typical borrower pays toward their student loans monthly ($200–$299).

learningpolicyinstitute.org/…/student-loans-among…

Maybe stop talking about conditions in the U.S. like you’re an expert since you apparently aren’t even here.

aidan ,

Sorry, no, that’s not the reason she was ill or what country she was in.

And I won’t answer, solely because I don’t like your bizarre belief that other people’s own experiences (in a country you probably know nothing about so would just makeup a reason to discard it) are subject to your interrogation. This was the experience of my relative, you can believe me or not, but please tell me how me telling you the country and condition(which I don’t know the name of anyways) would enable you to evaluate what I said is true.

Just over 60% of all full-time, public school teachers—about 2.1 million—have taken out student loans to pay for their education.

This doesn’t cover the average amount. Also, 60% is not some overwhelming majority.

Maybe stop talking about conditions in the U.S. like you’re an expert since you apparently aren’t even here.

What? You know immigrants exist right?

My mom and her mom are both public school teachers. I went to school in the US.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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You won’t answer because you made it up. Otherwise you could easily tell me the country and the disorder.

aidan ,

You’re not answering. Everything I’ve said is true, it would be pretty easy to find me connected to this account with a little sleuthing. I don’t really see the need to “prove” myself to a wannabe manipulator/bully.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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I’m not planning on stalking you. All you have to do is name the country and the disorder and you won’t, so you’re clearly just lying.

aidan ,

I told you why I won’t. Stop trying to bully xd

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Calling you a liar isn’t bullying you. And no you didn’t tell me why you wouldn’t, you told me to stalk you.

aidan ,

It is a bullying tactic to use someones refusal to play into your trap as “evidence of lying”

And no you didn’t tell me why you wouldn’t, you told me to stalk you.

I said: " You have no way to audit it anyways, you’re just looking for a reason to dismiss it. So there’s really no point in me bothering to explain the situation."

And then told you why her treatment was refused: “I’ll tell you the reason, she was deemed too old for it to be financially viable and was just offered hospice care”

And then told you why I continue to refuse to answer: “And I won’t answer, solely because I don’t like your bizarre belief that other people’s own experiences (in a country you probably know nothing about so would just makeup a reason to discard it) are subject to your interrogation. This was the experience of my relative, you can believe me or not, but please tell me how me telling you the country and condition(which I don’t know the name of anyways) would enable you to evaluate what I said is true.”

I am telling you, there is no real capacity to research this. First of all, I doubt you speak the language, and second, its not like there’s a public statement saying “Old people will be abandoned and treatment will be refused”

FlyingSquid OP ,
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I can’t trap you or make you lie.

All you had to do was name the country and the disorder.

You can’t because it was a lie.

You can make all the excuses you like to not name a country and a disorder, but it doesn’t make it any less of a lie.

aidan ,

You can’t because it was a lie.

You can make all the excuses you like to not name a country and a disorder, but it doesn’t make it any less of a lie.

Like I said I. This is a bullying tactic. Your intent is to be obnoxious so you can feel like you won. Its not a lie. You know its not a lie. And you know me naming a country proves nothing. Its just an attempt to get someone to “submit” to your demands so you can feel in control. You know I could say it’s Cron’s in Andorra, or ALS in Latvia, or a brain tumor in Finland. If you believe I’m lying why wouldn’t I say one of those lies? Its because you know I’m not, you just want to get me to “submit”.

Believe what you want, but you are a bully. I shared my own experience, and you seized that opportunity to be hostile and try to exert control over me through personal attacks on my character.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Sorry, insulting me will not make your lie true.

As for why you’re lying? Probably because if you had named an actual country and an actual disorder, I could look it up and find out how much, if anything, it costs to treat in that country vs. the U.S. (including travel costs and hotel while you’re staying there). And your whole point was that, supposedly, people have to come to the U.S. for treatment since they can’t afford it in their country with universal healthcare.

It’s not just a lie, it’s an extremely silly and transparent lie.

But please, go on with your insults and claims of bullying. It won’t make your lie true.

aidan ,

Sorry, insulting me will not make your lie true.

I’m not insulting you. I am describing the effect you are having on me. You are victimizing me through you’re bullying.

You accused me of lying. That is insulting me.

Probably because if you had named an actual country and an actual disorder, I could look it up and find out how much, if anything, it costs to treat in that country vs. the U.S.

I said a long time ago I don’t know the name of the condition.

(including travel costs and hotel while you’re staying there).

She doesn’t stay in a hotel she stays with her daughter’s family.

And your whole point was that, supposedly, people have to come to the U.S. for treatment since they can’t afford it in their country with universal healthcare.

I never said she can’t afford it, she can. The treatment is not provided to her. And the treatment that is provided is low quality.

It’s not just a lie, it’s an extremely silly and transparent lie.

So what does it mean since its the truth? That your hatred and mistrust of others who were just trying to have a calm discussion is misplaced?

But please, go on with your insults and claims of bullying. It won’t make your lie true.

Again not a lie. Actually, please, search my whole profile. Find somewhere that I have lied.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Sorry, accusing someone of lying is not an insult if they’re lying, which they are.

I said a long time ago I don’t know the name of the condition.

Then you have no idea if they could have gotten treated in their home country or how much it would cost, despite claiming this was an argument in favor of a for-profit medical system, making what you said… a lie.

She doesn’t stay in a hotel she stays with her daughter’s family.

Making her a major outlier, which would, again, make your argument that there is a benefit to a for-profit medical system… a lie.

I never said she can’t afford it, she can. The treatment is not provided to her. And the treatment that is provided is low quality.

And this in itself is a lie. You don’t know what’s wrong with her so you could not possibly know about the quality of treatment.

So what does it mean since its the truth?

It isn’t.

Find somewhere that I have lied.

I already did. See above.

aidan ,

Sorry, accusing someone of lying is not an insult if they’re lying, which they are.

You know what’s ironic. You correctly identified that its an insult when its not true before.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2c45db37-1443-4354-b938-c0f9e9213165.png

You actually said: “Telling me I invented my daughter to excuse genocide is clearly harassing me.”

(Note I agreed with you and removed the comment)

I do not want to block you, because I am a moderator of a community and I think being able to communicate with everyone who engages in that community is vital- but nearly every interaction I’ve had with you you’ve been hostile and bordering threatening to me. Do you want to introduce ourselves in private messages or something- to help you see the human behind the keyboard rather than you viewing everyone(or maybe just me, I don’t know) as a target to practice your written attack on? Try to consider how you would feel in my situation, if you were telling the truth(as I am).

Then you have no idea if they could have gotten treated in their home country or how much it would cost, despite claiming this was an argument in favor of a for-profit medical system, making what you said… a lie.

I’m sorry I trusted her family members who have been caring for her full time(in shifts) for years. I should’ve accused them of lying. I should’ve told them to put her back into the hospital where they didn’t empty her chamberpot for a week and it was almost overflowing, and where they would only give her food she couldn’t eat.

Making her a major outlier, which would, again, make your argument that there is a benefit to a for-profit medical system… a lie.

What? I said what my experience and my families experience with single-payer healthcare has been. I never claimed to be able to speak for other peoples experiences. Also, when it comes to lives, outliers matter. Plane crashes are outliers, but still matter.

And this in itself is a lie. You don’t know what’s wrong with her so you could not possibly know about the quality of treatment.

Because her daughter has been having to deal with her treatment for years now?

It isn’t.

Yeah let me say you made up your daughter then(I don’t believe you did). But see how ridiculous this is.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

If you want to block me, I could not care less.

And if you want to call me a liar, I could also not care less.

See how that works?

aidan ,

Why did you care before enough to call it harassment?

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Does my username look like Aidan to you? Because that’s who the moderator was in the screenshot you posted.

aidan ,

… You messaged me over 5 times about that comment, threatening to “bring it to admins” if I didn’t remove it. (I had already removed it before you said that)

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Feel free to report me since I’m such a terrible bully.

aidan ,

Just letting you know by your own standard you are.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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You have repeatedly called me a bully in this conversation. That violates lemmmy.world’s terms of service. So if I am violating the ToS, you should definitely report me. Unless you were lying again.

aidan ,

I feel you are/were bullying. I don’t think its enough that site admins will intervene though. But, you should try to consider the person on the other side of keyboard, if only to be a kinder person.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Seems like another lie to me. And I think it’s hilarious that you have been repeatedly calling me names and expect me to care about your feelings.

Let me guess: I did it first.

aidan ,

I’ve said you’ve been bullying me, from my perspective. That’s not calling you names. But yes, I have been expecting you to care about my feelings, just as I have cared about yours. My goal is not to make you miserable, it was just to have a conversation. It was clear your goal was different.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

“It’s not calling you names when I call you them.” Gotcha.

Just think about how much time you would have to spend on other things if you stopped griping at me because I don’t take your sensitivity into consideration when I talk to you or anyone else and just moved on!

aidan ,

I expect of you the same as you expect of others. If you’re not actually hurt when people are mean to you, why does it matter? And why did you write several long messages about it?

FlyingSquid OP ,
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If only I gave a shit about justifying anything to you while you keep whining about how I’m such a big, mean, horrible bully.

To which I, the big meanie, say, since you keep coming back, “stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself.”

aidan ,

Gj demonstrating my point. You don’t have the moral superiority you act like you have.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Cool, I never claimed to be superior to anyone. Morally or in any other way. Quite the opposite. So if I act like I am everyone’s moral inferior and I don’t have that moral superiority, I guess I’m… I don’t know, Hitler? Netanyahu?

Anyway, I’m a big, mean, evil, immoral bully and you keep coming back for more, so you’re welcome. Looking forward to genociding whoever your people are. Masochists?

aidan ,

Anyway, I’m a big, mean, evil, immoral bully and you keep coming back for more, so you’re welcome.

rip your home life and friends then

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Weirdly, for being worse than Hitler plus Stalin, I am happily married with a great kid and I have lots of friends.

Maybe my 14-year-old is also a genocidal maniac?

aidan ,

Maybe so

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Oh definitely so. I’m only half-way through murdering all white people in the world, but my goal is planned to complete it by 2026 at the latest.

aidan ,

Why only white people?

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Are you trying to question my evil? Because I’m a big, mean, morally reprehensible monster, you’re just going to encourage me to bully you.

Oh wait, we already established that you enjoy being bullied.

aidan ,

Yeah, because its weirdly targeted evil.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe. But not as weird as really enjoying being bullied after whining about it.

aidan ,

Glad you admit it is bullying

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sure. I agree with everything you have both said and implied. I admit I’m an evil genocidal maniac who has killed half the white people on the planet. I mean you haven’t disagreed with any of that so far and you certainly implied you agreed with some and directly agreed with others, including that my daughter is as evil as I am, so I will have to assume you really do think that I am the most evil person who ever lived and that you like being abused by the most evil person who ever lived, since you refuse to report to the administrators that the most evil person who ever lived is being super duper mean to you.

aidan ,

I mean you haven’t disagreed with any

You can claim whatever you want. None of it is serious so there’s no point in responding.

I mean you haven’t disagreed with any of that so far and you certainly implied you agreed

I never imply anything. If you believe I implied something you misinterpreted it.

including that my daughter is as evil as I am,

I did not agree with that. All I said is “rip for your family” if what you said about yourself is true.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I see. It’s not serious. That must be why you lied about what you said about my daughter:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/dc967210-5a93-4f26-ab53-35c013ac25a9.png

aidan ,

I said maybe so. That’s not agreeing. Its saying maybe. I don’t know so I can’t say one way or the other. Stop putting words in my mouth.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Nice weasel words there, Mr. Masochist.

aidan ,

… Its not weasel to say what I said.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sure it is. The possibility that my teenage daughter was a genocidal maniac was not a viable one. And if you claim it is: Name one genocidal maniac 14-year-old. Go for it. And no, not “Hitler was 14 once,” because that is not what I said or what you said “maybe so” about. I want to hear about a genocidal maniac who was one at age 14. Since you think that’s a possibility

I mean really… If you’re going to insult a child, at least be honest about it.

aidan ,

And if you claim it is: Name one genocidal maniac 14-year-old.

There are a fair few to pick from on this list

I mean really… If you’re going to insult a child, at least be honest about it.

I did not. I said maybe so. Because again I have no clue.

But you know all to well, that I don’t believe its likely, most children, regardless of how cruel or kind their parents may be- are inherently kind(same with most adults).

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

None of those children committed genocide. Nice dishonesty there to evade the fact that you insulted a child.

aidan ,

I did not, also, genocidal !== committed genocide.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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More weaseling. You really do have an honesty problem.

aidan ,

Why do you do this? Just enjoy pestering people?

FlyingSquid OP ,
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I’m just helping you out with your masochism problem. You can stop responding any time you like when you’re tired of my “pestering” much like you can stop responding any time when you’re tired of my “bullying.” But I think it’s very clear that you want it to keep happening and I am happy to oblige.

Do prove me wrong and stop responding, I’d hate to kink shame.

aidan ,

No thanks, I don’t mind responding

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Yes, we’ve already established that you enjoy what you consider to be bullying. Happy to be of service. Do enjoy the masturbation.

aidan ,

If you say so

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You say so by continually coming back to feed your kink. That’s the thing, people generally either go away from or fight back against people who they think are bullying them. The best you’ve done so far is whine about how mean I am, imply my daughter is a genocidal maniac, whine some more, and then keep returning for more “bullying.”

So either you don’t think I’m actually bullying you, despite all the whining about it, or you like it. There’s no other option.

aidan ,

If you say so. Interesting

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Feel free to explain why I’m wrong. I doubt you will because I’m not.

RedShaniNqkomota ,

Fucking turd get a decent job so your daughter don’t have to suck my dick to pay for pizza

aidan ,

I don’t have any need to justify myself to you

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Nor do you need to since you’ve already proven my point. You can’t get enough of me.

aidan ,

If you say so, like I said.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Still can’t quit me, I see.

aidan ,

like I said this is interesting

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Yes, I know you think being “bullied” is “interesting” because you get off on it.

aidan ,

If you say so, like I said. I don’t, but you’re free to live your own truth

FlyingSquid OP ,
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You clearly do or you wouldn’t keep coming back to someone you claim is bullying you for more bullying. You made a big deal about how I was such a big, mean bully. And yet you’re still here, talking to the person you claim to be bullying you.

The only reasons to do that are to fight back, which you aren’t doing, or because you like it. There is no third option unless you count “completely insane.”

aidan ,

There is a third option, but saying it would spoil the fun. Or I guess that counts as me enjoying it, but not because of masochism(not that I have anything against masochists)

FlyingSquid OP ,
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True, the third option would be you lying about the whole bully thing and this just being a very long and quite pathetic attempt at trolling. In which case maybe it’s me who should report you to the moderators.

aidan ,

Oh, that’s another option I hadn’t considered, but no a fourth option then I guess.

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    aidan ,

    And you’re welcome to continue to try trolling me or (as I suspect you will) attack me every time you see me from now on.

    Nope, I have and will continue to only discuss with you civilly.

    You’ve already proven yourself to be a troll and I have already reported you for it.

    You’re free to do what you want, but I am not.

    Mirshe ,

    Teachers in the US definitely do NOT “take the summer off”, as someone who has an SIL that’s a teacher. That time winds up getting filled with lesson planning, adapting to new curricula, meetings with administration to discuss new curricula or books, and usually working a second job because your school is, most of the time, not paying you to do any of that.

    aidan ,

    It definitely depends on the type of teacher. My mom is a teacher but for her current job doesn’t need to do much planning so does get it off. Also like I said the average teacher is paid double what the average french worker is with similar cost of living

    k4rm4cub3 ,

    Italy:

    Paid maternity leave: 5 months (plus two hours per day for breast feeding for the rest of the first year).

    Paid paternity leave: 10 days

    The parents also get an additional 6 months of “parental leave” between them where they can take off and get paid 30% of their normal salary.

    Paid sick leave: Capped at 180 days per year

    pingveno ,

    I work in IT at a university. There is a state parental leave program, but above that the union bargained for additional parental leave.

    The US has a significant separation between the federal and state levels. For a policy like this, you usually would find some of the more progressive states trying out different programs. Some more backward states will take a long time to come round. It really is more like a bunch of small to medium sized countries in that respect.

    Russia is also working under very different demographics, which is probably driving at least the maternity leave. Birth rates are low and net migration, while positive, is not enough to keep up. The US has a birth rate that is closer to replacement and much higher net migration. That would mean lagging states would have less pressure to reform.

    aidan ,

    That’s France not Russia

    pingveno ,

    Mannnnn, I hate it when I get those flags mixed up, and I think Russia was being discussed as well. Thanks.

    2ugly2live ,
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    Infinite sick time seems amazing. No longer working through an illness? And not having to cancel vacations to make time for it (or flex if your company even allows that)?

    If only…

    _ffiresticks_ ,

    In Massachusetts where I’m lucky enough to live, everyone is given at least 12 weeks paid bonding time for birth of a child that can be taken as needed for up to one year after birth of their child. The birthing parents also gets 6-8 weeks of additional paid time. I think some other New England states also have a similar benefits. It’s an awesome program that should be modeled around the rest of the nation. Really IMO it should be a full 52 weeks, but I’ll take it as a solid starting point

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Isn’t that due to Mitt Romney of all people? Part of “Romneycare?” I don’t want to give him credit, but that’s what I seem to remember.

    _ffiresticks_ ,

    Actually “Romneycare” is what we call masshealth and it’s the ACA before the ACA was national. Essentially mandated but state subsidized health insurance on a sliding scale. The Paid Family Medical Leave with inclusion if bonding time is a different program and only came into effect in the past year or two with an additional payroll tax paid by every employee and employer in MA (it’s a pretty tiny surcharge though, and to be transparent you only get 60% of your wages up to a certain amount, I think 1100/wk, while your taking the time). Here’s to hoping the federal govt will someday follow.

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Thanks for the explanation.

    AShadyRaven ,

    im in Virginia and one time i had a really bad norovirus infection and my employer told me i would terminated if i didn’t show up and that he couldnt do anything about it (this was my 6th sick day in the past 11 months)

    i showed up and had an accident on myself, very messy. Norovirus messy.

    I walked into his office, reeking like hell, and i asked him if he had any mints or febreeze

    He tried to send me home to change and i declined.

    Nurgus ,

    I think we’re all hoping you successfully infected your boss.

    AShadyRaven ,

    no clue, i had spent the last 48 hours losing all the moisture in my body so i was pretty dehydrated and had a fever

    that entire week was like a weird dream

    i really should not have driven a car in the physical state i was in, tbh

    ILikeBoobies ,

    Now hold on

    America should get the silver medal here

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Nope, other countries took silver and bronze by having significantly more than 0 in all of those categories.

    ILikeBoobies ,

    Can’t win if you don’t compete

    Our dataset only indicates that two countries participated

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s the American media for you.

    ILikeBoobies ,

    You’re calling yourself the American media?

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    It was a joke.

    YeetPics ,
    @YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

    You posted this though?

    Are you “American media”?

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    It was a joke. About how the American media makes the Olympics all about the U.S.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    A lot of private professional trades in the US get all of these. They’re “economically viable” for a certain class of (supposedly very productive and important) staff but completely untenable for another larger, lower class of (supposedly lazy and easily replaceable) staff.

    Even within the same firm.

    If you work in McDs Corporate or occupy a management position at The Dollar Tree, somehow there’s money for leave that doesn’t exist for everyone else.

    You might also notice a certain gender, religion, and race component to this, but I would try very hard not to think hard about it either.

    BigBananaDealer ,
    @BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

    my job has “paid sick time” but you cant use it if youre out of PTO and if you have PTO it takes off your PTO. how dumb is that. my coworker lost all his PTO by getting super sick for 2 weeks at the start of the year

    Evrala , (edited )

    Speedway and parent conpany 7 Eleven just did this this year everywhere it isn’t illegal. Made it so you only have PTO time and sick time takes it out of your pto. Thankfully that’s illegal in Michigan for hourly employees.

    Which also has the fun situation of if you get promoted to general manager you lose your sick time because of going to salary vs hourly.

    dejected_warp_core ,

    What a strange policy. So that just reduces sick leave to, what, an “unscheduled vacation”?

    What’s weirder is that this eliminates some incentive to schedule a vacation in advance, provided you can lie about being sick.

    bitchkat ,

    Sounds to me like you don’t get any sick time.

    uis ,

    Is it also at double rate, or you don’t even have 28 days of vacation?

    Louisoix ,

    And some people say it’s a toxic work culture in Japan. I mean, it’s far from perfect, but still not like the example here.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    The toxic culture in Japan stems from the unspoken expectations.

    You have a 40 hour schedule, but you’re expected to be in the office for +60. You get vacation time, but it’s shameful to use it. Women (particularly young women) aren’t given promotions or professional advancement because it’s assumed they’ll quit to become housewives as soon as they find a husband of a higher station.

    All that shit you hear about microaggression, implicit bias, and structural racism run rampant in the Japanese corporate world.

    dejected_warp_core ,

    There’s some hope though. Younger people are starting to call bullshit on all this. Perhaps the fact that there’s an abudance of overworked old people everywhere is helping drive different thinking for everyone else: www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQs4NERVZxc

    ILikeBoobies , (edited )

    When Japan capped overtime to 45 hours per month

    It became shameful to log your overtime

    Also to get time and a half you need to work over 60 hours but you don’t get that if you aren’t logging

    pingveno ,

    Yikes, that’s lawsuit territory in the US. Like, my uncle was a lawyer on a lawsuit with similar facts.

    ILikeBoobies ,

    Historically Japanese lawsuits around overtime had been companies suing employees for claiming wages

    pingveno ,

    At the place that I interned in software development, there was a period of time before I was there where the hours were starting to creep to long enough that the workers (salaried) were effectively being paid less than minimum wage. Legend has it that there was a mention of a lawsuit if the company didn’t shape up. One coworker who had been there at that point described it as a dark point in the company’s history. In response, they temporarily switched to hourly and 40 hours a week.

    Later, some people apparently started working over 40 hours a week of their own volition. Workaholics, I guess. At the behest of one of the people on my team, the CIO talked to them about sticking to normal hours. Part of it was that people just aren’t great developers after already working a long day. The other part was that no one else wanted to slide back into those long working hours. A few people also had had kids in the intervening years, so I don’t think they wanted to see their hours eaten by work.

    HexadecimalSky ,

    Reminds me of a comedians joke,

    American: and how many sick days go you get off?

    European: All of them? If you’re sick, you don’t go to work…

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s not a joke, that’s just a fact. A sad fact for some of us on the left side of the pond.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Crazy how Europe outperformed the US during COVID.

    BoredPanda ,

    But you also get half the salary, compared to the US. Taxes are probably on a similar level, but you get more for your taxes in France.

    It’s not all good. As a single, somewhat ambitious guy living in Europe, I’m planning to move to the US, because building wealth in most of Europe is much harder, so you are effectively a slave of the system. You get a barely livable salary, you pay half of it to the taxman, and half of the remaining net salary in rent (or mortgage). If you are a single guy like me, you get barely anything in return. And since the European economy is struggling, and European governments are going all in on austerity, the situation regarding taxes and social benefits will only deteriorate.

    PTO is nice, but it doesn’t tell the whole story. At the end of the day, I feel better having the freedom in the shape of $$$ in my pocket, compared to being at the mercy of a government, which I don’t fully trust, to treat me well.

    Keltha ,

    I feel you’re discarding the free education and Healthcare system you were able to enjoy (because it’s available for everyone) until you’ve decided you could do better for yourself by yourself.

    As a single straight healthy educated white dude, yes you could probably do better for yourself in the US, it just takes forsaking the meaning of solidarity. As long you don’t do the usual thing of coming back to Europe whenever you’re sick / having children because “it’s just so expensive in the US and it’s harder to have a family life there”

    BoredPanda ,

    Healthcare is not free. I pay 250€/month here in Germany, and I literally cannot even access it at all. I go to the doctor and get turned away. They have this shitty two tiered system where unless you have the private insurance or are a pensioner, you have to fight against a thousand bureaucratic dragons to get any service out of it.

    University is not free either. I paid 500€/semester and had to source my own food and accommodation. And although I got a degree, you cannot really compare, even the top of the top of German universities with places like MIT or Stanford where you get so much prestige and networking opportunities. One has to compare apples to apples.

    I am for both universal healthcare and education, but Americans need to understand that you aren’t going to get the American service for the European price point.

    Liz ,

    I went to the cheapest public university I got into here in the US. An extremely standard university. I paid $10,000 per semester in tuition, not including books and fees. Do you really think American education is twenty times better?

    ButteredMonkey ,

    USA here. I like in one of the areas with the lowest cost to living in the USA (Kentucky). I just paid my daughter’s fall tuition to the University of Kentucky yesterday. It’s a state school which accepts 95% of those who apply. Average SAT ~1100. (My point, by no means is it a selective school.) Her tuition for one semester was $6851 or 6275 €. This does not include housing, food, or living expenses.

    I don’t want to get into USA vs anyone else, as everyplace is different, with their own areas that make them stand out or not. However when it comes to post-secondary education and healthcare in terms of COST (not quality) the USA quantitatively lags well behind Western Europe.

    BoredPanda ,

    This is becoming a fruitless discussion without getting into the specifics.

    Here’s the thing, with my talent and experience, I could easily be earning 4x as much as I do here in Germany. I work in AI, it’s super hot right now. But here in Germany the only job for me is in the public sector, where I get paid like a lowly government employee. It’s completely ridiculous when compared to what my fellows in the US are earning. I earn around $45,000 of which I net $25,000 after taxes, of which $12,000 I pay in rent per year. And my benefits? A fixed two year contract. It’s not even a permanent position.

    I have colleagues who decided to pay out of pocket some $120k to do an MSc. in California so they could access the tech network there and secure a job, and all of them are financially better off than I am.

    qarbone ,

    Wow, cool that they had $120,000 just sitting around to pay for things. Almost sounds like they were already financially better off than you.

    And rich enough already.

    JoeBigelow ,
    @JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca avatar

    Thus will be such a fun fuck around find out for you my guy. Really enjoy it.

    nlgranger ,

    AI companies in the USA are located is super expensive areas, I always wonder if the quality of life is actually better for these types of jobs. There is also meta in Paris, Google in London, etc. have you considered that ?

    aidan ,

    If you’re a decent student you can do the governors scholar program and get a full ride for any in KY school. At least where I live in the Europe unis are much more selective than the US, many people don’t even go to highschool, and I know people in their 20s still trying to graduate.

    Draedron ,

    Stop lying. The majority of doctors here take public insurance and they dont turn you away when you have public insurance. You can even call your insurance and they help you get an appointment at a Facharzt.

    aidan ,

    Can’t speak for Germany, but can speak for your neighbors in Poland and Czech Republic to say that yes they do turn people away(or really say you need to wait X number of months which would be long after your condition is way worse), but you can pay just a bit more and go to a private clinic and be treated right away.

    chiliedogg ,

    I pay more than double that for my insurance, and they still deny care and determine which doctors I can see. I have to wait months to see specialists, and I have to spend $5,000 a year cash before insurance pays a dime.

    And education at a public university can cost 10 grand a semester just for tuition. 500 euros wouldn’t cover a parking tag.

    Wizard_Pope ,
    @Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world avatar

    You do realise a lot of places in Europe would lrefer you have a european uni degree over any american one. The systems are not the same.

    aidan ,

    Nowhere near all of Europe has free healthcare. And healthcare in a lot of countries is tbh terrible in terms of actually seeing a doctor.

    Ookami38 ,

    Bud, you’re in for a haaaaaaaaaaaarsh awakening if you think all of those negatives in your second paragraph isn’t exactly what the states are, magnified.

    EnderMB ,

    I work in a big tech company, and there are probably interns in NY/Cali that get paid better than I do as an experienced engineer in the UK.

    Most of the people I work with in NYC live like students, despite having a yearly salary that could probably cover a sizable chunk of a UK pension. I own a house and have enough saved to not need to work for several months, yet there are people that vastly outearn me in the US and still get fucked by healthcare costs, rent, house prices, etc.

    I do understand that building wealth is tricky, but I think you’ll be extremely shocked at how high the costs are in some places, and how many people that do build wealth are rolling the dice on health insurance and not taking sick days/vacation. I’m considering a move to LA this year, and despite a high-band salary my life will likely be considerably worse, purely looking at the rent prices in/near Santa Monica…

    KevonLooney ,

    looking at the rent prices in/near Santa Monica…

    You are thinking of walking to work? You’re going to be commuting like everyone else. That’s why everyone in LA is stuck in traffic. Or just work from home.

    shasta ,

    You know NYC and California are outliers, right?

    EnderMB ,

    They’re also the highest pay band for most companies, which is why many people want to go to NYC or the Bay area to work.

    aidan ,

    which is why many people want to go to NYC or the Bay area to work.

    No its not, its because those are more preferable places to work. When you’re paid 15% more but your cost of living is 70% more its not worth it.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Income scales with cost of living. They’re only outliers by scale. They’re right in line with the marginal living conditions of Americans (living poor because costs outpace wages).

    aidan ,

    They’re right in line with the marginal living conditions of Americans (living poor because costs outpace wages).

    Except wages are half of US wages(nationwide), with relatively similar cost of living in Europe.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    relatively similar cost of living in Europe.

    If you discount health care, transit, and education, ignore paid time off benefits, and try not to think about how much lead is in our drinking water? I guess.

    aidan ,

    If you discount health care,

    Your employer usually pays your healthcare in both cases, US does have deductibles, and a very stupid system if you’re self-employed. But personally, being under 26, I’ve had a far better experience with US healthcare. I’ve been able to be treated, and my family members haven’t been neglected(not saying it doesn’t happen though). My partner was told he’d have to wait 6+ months to see a specialist for ear infection treatment when it didn’t go away after 1 round of anti-biotics in Europe. A relative of mine has to travel to the US for treatment that was deemed a waste in her home country, in the hospital she was staying in her whole wing was so neglected that their chamber pots were overflowing and they weren’t being properly fed. This was in a European capital city(Prague).

    transit

    Depends on the city, but a cheap 90s or 00s sedan generally won’t cost enough to make up for that extra 40-60%

    education

    I know a fair number of people who went to private highschools because they couldn’t even get into public ones. But its true uni is cheaper in Europe if you can get in- but its nowhere near a necessity.

    and try not to think about how much lead is in our drinking water?

    If you think you have lead in your drinking water, call your water company, they’ll probably send you a free test kit.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Your employer usually pays your healthcare

    In the United States? That’s not true at all. Roughly half of American workers don’t get health insurance from the employer. And that’s before you consider folks who lose their jobs after suffering a medical emergency.

    aidan ,

    Roughly 40% of Americans aren’t employed.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    you also get half the salary, compared to the US

    Twice the salary for twice the work load isn’t more money.

    I had a friend who got a NY white shoe law job. He was earning $250k walking in the door. But he slept under his desk pulling 100 hour work weeks and was always terrified of being let go for underperforming.

    That’s not a better salary. That’s just 2.5 jobs earning $80k (which you can easily get with a JD pretty much anywhere).

    Once he realized that, he quit and landed a job with normal hours earning twice as much per hour worked.

    aidan ,

    Twice the salary for twice the work load isn’t more money.

    Having worked in American and European software development, definitely not twice the workload. Its basically the same, and when I worked in manufacturing it was far higher of a workload than in the US.

    TheMightyCanuck ,
    @TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Found out this year my country offers father’s (up to a combined) 52 weeks paternity leave with pay (~60% full time earnings)

    Couldn’t imagine just dropping this little guy on my wife and heading to work the next day

    pyre ,

    I’ve always found it dumb that fathers get less paid leave. but i guess it’s better than… checks notes… zero.

    TheMightyCanuck ,
    @TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works avatar

    You could make the argument that they don’t have massive body trauma to heal from…

    But I think the time is more important to form that first bond more than anything

    silasmariner ,

    Bonding time is important but it’s also important to get into the habit of looking after the children as a father. Otherwise odds on you won’t manage to bond very well with either your child or the mother 😅

    AA5B ,

    That’s the problem, what we have is reasonable for physical recovery after giving birth. However we need a political party to champion “family values” or something to help parents take care of the kid after they are born

    AA5B ,

    True story - the time I almost got direct immediate benefit from a feminist organization …… when my kids were born, there was no leave so the best I could do was one week vacation. However a good friend of mine thought it was unfair so got together with her feminist group and petitioned the company for paternity leave!

    They didn’t go for it, at least in time to help me, but they did do it before FMLA made them do something

    TheDoozer ,

    So… I’m not shilling for the military, but…

    Coast guard gets 30 days of leave, 3 months of paternity leave, and unlimited sick days.

    Just saying.

    Edit: to be clear, US Coast Guard.

    pythonoob ,

    USAF too

    PugJesus ,

    When one’s employer has lower regard for their employee’s welfare than the US military, something is well and truly borked.

    t. many military friends and family with infinite horror stories about health damage outside of combat zones and lots of “Not Service Related” responses

    SendMePhotos ,

    So… A big blue retail company is on par… When I worked there I got 16 weeks of paternity leave paid (well, between a mixture of paid leave and PTO), 31 days of PTO, and… Any sick days came out of the PTO.

    Was a salaried manager.

    Can’t believe I’m saying it, but nobody has ever been able to come close to their benefits that I know of, at least in the US.

    Obi ,
    @Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Costco?

    Doxatek ,

    It’d be cool except the non zero chance of catching a bullet just because I wanted to have benefits other people have for free… and I know that I could be shot in civilian life too. But like, doesn’t that just make it worse

    TheDoozer ,

    I suppose. I’m far more likely to die in a helicopter crash. Never been shot at, nor have just about anybody I’ve worked with. The only people who have gone to a war zone in the past couple decades were people who specifically requested it.

    Though I have worked with a few who survived helicopter crashes (five, between two crashes), so definitely not without its dangers. That’s the specific job I chose, though. Plenty of jobs in the Coast Guard with paper cuts or oven-related burns as the most danger they’ll experience.

    Got_Bent ,

    Good high school friend of mine was career Coast guard. He was a flight commander for one of those big helicopters and retired with some high falutin’ upper level officer rank.

    He told me that there were a lot of details he couldn’t tell me but that he’d lost several of his colleagues in crashes.

    He also implied that there were some bullets flying out of fast boats coming from the south.

    Poor guy took up regional jet piloting right after he retired and almost immediately got the Parkinson’s. To conclude and show his character, he self reported himself out of a job long before the symptoms were externally visible.

    Doxatek ,

    That’s true! There can definitely be really good opportunities there. I just like to be contrarian

    aidan ,

    It’d be cool except the non zero chance of catching a bullet

    In the coast guard? I think you’d have a higher risk just walking in many cities.

    Doxatek ,

    Well more just the military in general. It’s mostly just free college roulette. My uncle got free college but also he was almost blown up in a rocket attack. His friends from the same rocket attack didn’t make it to college…

    I mostly hear military people from where I am say “there is free education! You pansies just have to earn it” idk just seems problematic to me haha

    aidan ,

    Well there’s a lot of roles you can join for with basically no risk of being shot…

    ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

    Edit: to be clear, US Coast Guard.

    Was about to say, the Lesotho coast guard doesn’t have anything that good.

    catloaf ,

    Lesotho doesn’t have a coast.

    Then again, Switzerland is also landlocked, but they do have a navy.

    ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

    Lesotho doesn’t have a coast.

    Uh, that might have been the joke.

    catloaf ,

    I know. I just wanted to bring up one of my favorite weird facts, the existence of the Swiss navy.

    Senshi ,

    But it’s not really true. Switzerland has no naval branch of its armed forces.

    It has a dozen or so of 10t patrol boats armed with a single 50cal MG for its lakes, and those are organized in a single motor boat company, which is staffed and manned by the military engineers branch.

    Their duties are supporting the border guard (police) on the lakes against trespass/ smugglers and assisting (civilian) search& rescue.

    catloaf ,

    As far as I’m concerned, that’s a navy.

    Wytch ,

    We got a whole generation full of lead paint chips to thank for this

    Nomecks ,

    Those are rookie maternity numbers.

    -Canada

    toaster ,

    Minimum 10 vacation days though.:(

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