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TIL the military cannot enlist a recruit with an IQ measured lower than 80 and is required to keep enlisted individuals with an IQ of 81-92 to less than 20% of the armed forces in active duty.

(a)The number of persons originally enlisted or inducted to serve on active duty (other than active duty for training) in any armed force during any fiscal year whose score on the Armed Forces Qualification Test is at or above the tenth percentile and below the thirty-first percentile may not exceed 20 percent of the total number of persons originally enlisted or inducted to serve on active duty (other than active duty for training) in such armed force during such fiscal year.

(b)A person who is not a high school graduate may not be accepted for enlistment in the armed forces unless the score of that person on the Armed Forces Qualification Test is at or above the thirty-first percentile; however, a person may not be denied enlistment in the armed forces solely because of his not having a high school diploma if his enlistment is needed to meet established strength requirements.

An AFQT score is derived from the ASVAB(essentially the militaries’ IQ test). IQ scores are based on a normal distribution of scores from the general population with a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15. So the 30th percentile represents an IQ score of 92 while the 10th percentile would correlate with an IQ of 81.

rxbudian ,

They need to be smart enough to not be persuadable to shoot innocent civilians and their higher ups

orphiebaby ,
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That’s smartist. No, not “smartest”, I said “smartist”. :B

ArchmageAzor ,
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Insert Marine Corps joke here

snausagesinablanket ,
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Crayon eaters.

n0cturnali ,
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This is inaccurate. The military doesn’t IQ test. ASVAB is designed to test your proficiency in different career fields.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Done by a test designed to determine relative learning ability and proficiency compared to your age group?

skookumasfrig ,

While the ASVAB does in many ways serve a similar function to an IQ test, it really isn’t the same thing.

JackbyDev ,

I also just watched a Veritasium video.

wfm ,

Hello fellow Veritasium enjoyer

MothBookkeeper ,

If only we did the same thing with voters.

Kidding, that wouldn’t work. But… sigh.

spacedancer ,

Meanwhile, the police have a maximum IQ limit and anyone above that is not qualified.

Redderthanmisty ,

Unfortunately, that limit is so low that even Forrest Gump would be overqualified.

contextual_somebody ,

Not really. Some police forces have rejected candidates bc of high scores on entrance tests, but there’s no universal policy.

JackbyDev ,

So you’re saying it’s true that police have rejected people for scoring too high?

contextual_somebody , (edited )

Some police forces, not “the police”. This phrasing makes it sound like it’s a universal policy. It isn’t and it’s rare, but it has happened.

Strangle ,

All the IQ rejected admissions go to the policy academy, I presume?

ubermeisters ,
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Unfortunately a lot of recruiters will Coach people in order to make sure they meet the minimums

chaogomu ,

If you can be coached to make the standard, then you were already capable of reaching the standard.

Also, the IQ test that the military gives, the ASVAB, is a very long test. The average time to complete it is 90 minutes. The maximum is 154 minutes.

If you can be coached through that, then you've earned your place. And the simple truth is, people can be coached on the test and do better. Which is okay.

ubermeisters ,
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You’re assuming I meant “not cheating”, which I didnt.

Source: veteran

chaogomu ,

I'm not sure how you can cheat through a proctored test. And the ASVAB is usually given to high school students, and then the results are given to the recruiters, so they know who to focus on.

If a kid really wants to join despite a low score, I guess they could cram for a specific section of the test...

As to outright cheating... I never saw it, but then again, I was Air Force. We had a much higher cut off then other branches. That makes cheating to get in both harder and less rewarding. Cheaters will wash out in their tech school.

WiseThat ,

This is a myth. There IS a test, called the “Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB)”, which is a competency test to see what jobs you would be suited for, but that is NOT an IQ test.

Sure, if you score badly on that test you will LIKELY have a low score on an IQ test, probably because something like 40% of American adults are illiterate or have low-literacy and that would impact your ability to do any test.

But the military does not IQ test.

Dax87 ,
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It is a percentile-based test against others who’ve tested on it. So it’s similar to an IQ test in that regard.

WiseThat , (edited )

Sure… But it’s a DIFFERENT TEST, on a different population of people, with the goal of measuring military-specific factors.

torknorggren ,

And if low iq folks are more likely to seek enlistment, the distribution could be significantly lower than iq/the population at large.

WiseThat ,

Yes, there is absolutely a sampling bias here

mikeyBoy14 ,

There are probably ways to correlate the military test with a standardized IQ test, and which point the military test might be a rough proxy for IQ. If that was the case, the 80 IQ rule might be roughly accurate.

I don’t know if that’s been done though. Just playing devil’s advocate.

Dax87 ,
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I think there have been studies on the correlation between ASVAB scores and IQ scores. The correlation is supposedly 0.8.

This stack exchange post has a few sources linked

…stackexchange.com/…/to-what-extent-does-afqt-cor…

bassomitron ,

Eh, I met plenty of very smart people while serving. I also met plenty of very fucking stupid people. I’d say the ratio is about the same as the general population, since the military offers a lot of very attractive financial incentives to poor and middle class folks alike. Although, free college is the number one reason most enlist, in my experience. I know it was the main reason I did it. Gotta love a society that allows colleges to price gouge tuition so badly in the first place…

Dax87 ,
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The GI bill was a very nice perk indeed. That and the VA loan has helped me out quite a bit.

Ejh3k ,

The VA loan is legitimately the thing they should be promoting the hell out of instead of college.

I bought my first house mostly with mostly cash I’d saved up in the army, also it was cheaper than my wife’s current vehicle. But when we got married and started thinking about buying a house, she learned about the VA loan and creamed herself. Sure it’s a lot of extra paperwork, but no down payment and no mortgage insurance, goddamn it was a godsend.

bassomitron ,

Indeed, aside from the GI Bill, which I initially signed up for, I later found out about the VA Home Loan program and it was a huge lifesaver for us and has helped us secure a home loan twice now (not simultaneously).

GiuseppeAndTheYeti OP ,

Personally I agree that the military is as good of a sampling of intelligence as the general population, but there is something to be said about the potential issue of a normal distribution bias. (Up or down) If there was an analysis on it I’d wager that the correlation coefficient would be very close to 1. I just wish that the critics of this simplification would avoid portraying the ASVAB as having NO correlation with IQ.

People mention that there’s some dumb mfers in the military. My friend included.(I’ll let you decide on which side of that assessment he’s on lol) but I think it’s a familiarity bias. You’re forced to work with(and against) those individuals no matter your intelligence level in the military. In contrast, people in the general population tend to work mostly with people that are around their own level of intelligence unless it’s customer service.

bassomitron ,

. . . tend to work mostly with people that are around their own level of intelligence unless it’s customer service.

Heh, never thought about this before, but that probably explains why both people in either customer service or the military tend to be jaded, cynical people, lol.

Ejh3k ,

One night on radio watch, I dug through the laptop we were keeping a log in and found a spreadsheet containing everyone in our company’s asvab scores. It was a fascinating thing to look at. We were MI, and this was back when there was a combat arms MOS in MI still, which I was. And we were always made fun of because we had the lowest asvab entry score (65) while many people had masters degrees. 7 out of 10 of the highest scores were were in my squad. We also had the lowest, but that’s a given. I think I remember I had the highest in the sqaud and my team had the highest average.

You can still be very intelligent and still want to roll around in the dirt and play with the big guns.

contextual_somebody , (edited )

This is essentially a semantics argument and doesn’t make this post a “myth.” The military aptitude tests are effectively an intelligence quotient, just not a standard “IQ test”

orphiebaby ,
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Different than what exactly? There isn’t one single IQ test.

zourn ,
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I think a skills-based aptitude test that is honed towards specific occupations and a vague intelligence test that the creators even believe barely gives a tenuous grasp on mental ability is not a good comparison.

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  • xionzui ,

    They tried it in Vietnam and discovered the lower iq recruits were more trouble than they were worth and made the military run worse overall, so it’s probably unlikely to happen again

    Num10ck ,

    note to self: during a draft, be special.

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  • IWantToFuckSpez ,

    Too bad you can’t fake having well connected wealthy parents

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  • Rozz ,

    Not convincingly

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    McNamara’s morons have entered the chat

    reflex ,
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    McNamara's morons

    You're a goddamn genius!

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  • elbarto777 ,

    Shots fired!!!

    altasshet ,

    And they killed a dog

    SpeakinTelnet ,
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    Better leave a ticket for having a dead dog on your yard. We wouldn’t want that would we?

    WarmSoda , (edited )

    There’s a dead dog in their yard! ON THE GROUND NOW Alright WE WARNED YOU! Hit’em with flashes I hope to god there’s a baby in there so these scumbags learn thier lesson

    XEAL ,

    At a black man while he was holding a phone… on his own backyard.

    Kiosade ,

    “No black man can afford a house with a backyard, he was clearly trespassing!!”

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