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webghost0101 ,

The lives they kill are worth so much more so its worth it to them?

How do they justify stuff like this.

“We think these people are worthless and we want their land. So now we spend big capital destroying that land”

Not a single rhetoric i can make up with makes even evil sense.

What is their left to gain after all the costs?

Bob_Robertson_IX ,

The lives they kill are worth so much more so its worth it to them?

The Iron Dome is defensive. It kills rockets, not people.

rigatti ,
@rigatti@lemmy.world avatar

Each missile per missile? Dang.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

Hope it bankrupts them.

SpaceNoodle ,

Why would it? The US is paying for it.

phoneymouse ,

The US? Cause that’s who’s paying.

steventhedev ,

So you hope that Hamas and Hezbollah continue firing rockets at civilians?

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

I hope Israel stops committing genocide and slaughtering civilians.

small44 ,

How about ending the colonization? That’s the only way to peace.

Rolder ,

Alright, so what land do Israelis get and what land do Palestinians get? No matter your answer, one side is going to be pissed which leads to more conflict.

small44 ,

Almost everybody who want a two state solution believe in the pre-1967 borders. I personally prefer a one stste solution thought

bobburger ,

What happens after it bankrupts them?

small44 ,

They would no longer be in position of power to decide the term of a potential two state solution

bobburger ,

So no Israel is bankrupt and has no power or military capabilities, who has the power to decide what kind of solution is enacted?

Flax_vert ,

TBH, I think the Israel iron dome system is justified. Bombing Palestinians is not.

roofuskit ,

One is defensive and one is a genocide over land. Not really a hard choice for sane people.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

The iron dome enables the genocide.

9tr6gyp3 ,

Iron enables the genocide.

Not really a hard choice for sane people.

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

So basically, your perspective is that a system that protects Israeli civilians is immoral because every single Israeli is immoral? Yeah, that seems very sane. /s

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

Defense of a state that is actively engaging in genocide is a problem.

The Iron Dome stops attacks on military targets, blame Israel for hiding behind civilians as it launches its missiles and drones from US provided safety.

AllNewTypeFace ,
@AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space avatar

That doesn’t sound like an unreasonable price for a missile interceptor; those things have to be fast and precise. If anything, it looks like they have reasonable economies of scale going for them.

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

It’s expensive AF to operate which is why Israel has been working hard on “Iron Beam”, which uses lasers instead of missiles, to supplement it and reduce the cost of operation. Iron Beam is supposed to become active in 2025.

Ukraine doesn’t have Iron Dome because of cost and scale. Israel is 22,145 square kilometers while Ukraine is 603,628 square kilometers. It probably cost 10 Billion to build an Israel sized Iron Dome so a Ukraine sized one would cost upwards of $300 Billion and operating the thing would like be a billion dollars a month for active combat.

As an aside the United States also has ground based directed energy weapons. There’s even a 50KW mobile version built on the Stryker platform called DE M-SHORAD. 100KW+ versions are supposed to be rolling out next year.

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

It essentially prevented a full scale armed conflict like this past year from 2011-2023. How many lives has it saved over that 12 years?

ArbitraryValue ,

That’s actually a very low price for an anti-air missile. For comparison, the Stinger shoulder-fired missile costs more than twice as much. A Patriot missile costs four million dollars (but is much more capable). Presumably minimizing cost was a high priority when this missile was designed. Nonetheless, the cost asymmetry is one reason why degrading the ability of Hamas and Hezbollah to fire missiles at Israel is important.

gravitas_deficiency ,

Also, depends on what version and flavor of PAC it is

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Absolutely. In the late '80s I was part of an anti-tank guided missile evaluation; each rocket cost around $70k then, so around $185k per today.

profdc9 ,

The system can be overwhelmed by having too many incoming rockets, so it does have its limits.

elephantium ,
@elephantium@lemmy.world avatar

Ugh, that title.

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