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MagnyusG ,

toy guns have been a thing since before your grandparent’s grandparents were born, slapping ‘fidget’ to them doesn’t suddenly make them new. not to mention these look like they’re made by the same people who made the viral “carrot” knife Korea was freaking out about.

Varyk OP ,

Not entirely new, but US mass shootings happening twice a day are new and the hip new toy craze is teaching kids and adults to be comfortable pulling triggers on cute guns?

To “relieve anxiety”?

Not the same as pushing a hoop down the street with a stick.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

I believe everybody should learn about guns: how to handle them, and how to shoot them. I imagine that could go a long way toward addressing some gun issues (like accidental shootings). It wouldn’t be a silver bullet; I’m not that naive, but kids learning gun safety might not be a bad thing.

That said, I don’t care how colorful they make them, whether out of plastic or metal, there is no reason to make guns into toys. That clearly sends the wrong message.

I do enjoy nerf guns, so I’d consider them exceptions. Their designs, that I’ve seen, do not resemble real guns. But I understand not everyone may feel the same way and would want to abolish them too.

Varyk OP , (edited )

Education can be helpful, but I don’t think mandatory childhood education on deadly weapons is necessary or would be significantly helpful with respect to the US shootings problem.

In this case, as you have pointed out, there’s no educational benefit getting people comfortable solely pulling triggers and treating guns as toys.

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t ever call a Nerf gun a “gun” in front of Hasbro any dedicated Nerf Nerds.

They are quite insistent that are “blasters,” specifically to disassociate them from firearms.

LodeMike ,

Yeah my only issue with these things is the absence of an orange tip.

tigeruppercut ,

So a toy gun with the word “fidget” slapped on by someone in marketing?

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Toy guns are hardly an American phenomenon.

jam12705 ,

Sold by a Chinese company

Varyk OP ,

Yyyyup.

Relieve anxiety.

“Relieve anxiety”.

Disgusting

amio ,

What a weird overtone of moral outrage this has, considering your comments. But admittedly, the user reviews are fucking gold as a non-American.

notnotmike ,
@notnotmike@programming.dev avatar

Also how is this being exclusively associated with the US?

I mean I get it, we like guns and this is the US version of Amazon, but it’s not like we have these toys in every household. And it’s not like other countries don’t have guns present in their culture (video games, movies, etc.).

They are most likely produced in China and are definitely going to be uncommon.

It’s like making a post “the US has 80-gallon drums of lube no joke”. It just feels like rage bait with an anti-US agenda

Anyolduser ,

“Rage bait with an anti-US agenda” describes a lot of shit on Lemmy.

Varyk OP , (edited )

If you’re looking at it morally, I think I understand your confusion.

This isn’t so much a comment on the moral horror(that does fundamentally exist) as it is utter shock at the reckless marketing of pretty toy guns that children will like in a country with such a horrifying real problem of children and adults shooting each other.

All this gun does is make you comfortable pulling a trigger.

It’s entirely absurd to market cute toy guns as anxiety relievers to the children living in the worst gun violence circumstances in the world, where they are literally a constant risk of being shot in a supermarket or library or school.

It’s the height of practical insanity and cultural irresponsibility that these are being sold.

amio ,

Yeah, I'm sure these toy guns are the real reasons shooting sprees are routine in the US

Varyk OP ,

Eh, doubt it.

Interesting take, though, I’m sure they don’t help.

elliot_crane ,

What’s in the box

  • NO

Seems like a quality product to me.

Varyk OP , (edited )

What’s in the box NO is probably my favorite item description ever though.

Company description is pretty gold, too.

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/380d9474-fa01-426a-9b14-46da084ea111.png

Evotech ,

That terrible Photoshop job lol

Varyk OP ,

Haha yea it’s the best, I couldn’t not use it.

But the fidget guns are real.

That’s why I linked the Amazon thing too.

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

We know?

Toy guns have existed basically as long as guns have. I’ll blow your mind by further pointing out that so have toy swords and toy bows and arrows.

All of us grew up with cap guns as kids. Or suction cup dart guns, or airsoft guns, or those little plastic disk shooter guns, or battery powered M16’s with a little light bulb in the muzzle that went rat-a-tat-tat-tat through a tinny little speaker when you held down the trigger. When I was a kid, one friend of mine had a battery powered minigun like Arnold had in the Predator movie, and in addition to mock gunfire noises it would spin all the barrels and it had a motorized knocker in it that simulated recoil. For an eight year old kid, it was the best thing ever short if something that fired an actual projectile.

Varyk OP ,

Nah, those are all pretty common, not wowing the way you assumed.

Sound fun though.

peopleproblems ,

My parents didn’t let my brother or I have nerf guns or the good 90s super soakers.

As an adult with my own son, I can confirm we enjoy some nerf guns, but those are pretty meh compared to the non-nerf-brand Darth blasters they have now.

We got 10 shot semi-auto blasters, we got 6-shot pull back revolvers, a giant ass automatic yellow machine gun, we got two fully automatic (and loud as fuck) 20 dart blaster rifle things, and he got a fully automatic mini gun dart blaster from Santa.

My ex hates nerf blasters with a passion, and I still haven’t gotten those back at my place yet

smokin_shinobi ,

Jesse Ventura had the mini-gun in Predator. Ol’ Painless.

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

You’re right. I had him mixed up with Arnold using the minigun in Terminator 2.

Miarolitic ,

I’d say toy guns are different. There’s active intent and imaginative play.

A fidget toy is supposed to be something that we use unconsciously to help us focus on other stuff.

It’s odd, to me, that one can squeeze a trigger as a fidget.

I’m someone who needs fidgets so I imagine the action and feedback is satisfying. But I’m uncomfortable with the idea of unconsciously squeezing a trigger.

I also live in a country where guns are not common which probably influences my perspective.

teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

If it isn’t illegal to sell and someone can make money off of an idiot, it will be sold.

Varyk OP ,

And people say idiots aren’t good for anything

HEXN3T ,
@HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Amazon has fidget toy guns. You can buy them (almost) anywhere.

masquenox ,

Good thing the people in the ad is white… if they weren’t they would have been shot before the ad team could take the photo.

homesweethomeMrL ,

Paper cap guns represent

Varyk OP ,

Cap guns pop pop

randomdeadguy ,

Relieve anxiety or Re-live anxiety?

Varyk OP ,

Solid catch.

For you?

Depends on how you became a random dead guy, I guess.

Sparkles ,
@Sparkles@fedia.io avatar

I ordered a box of fidgets for my kids and it came with like a fidget switchblade.

Varyk OP ,

Insane

www.amazon.com/…/B0CM64XX54

Insane

ryven ,
@ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Much safer than fidgeting with your actual switchblade, which is extremely tempting, lmao.

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

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delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Thank you for your order! Please enjoy these fidget matches as our free gift.

Please leave a 5-star review, and well send a free bottle of fidget gasoline!

someguy3 ,

Ok I understand kinda get fidget spinners, but how is this a fidget thing at all?

SirDerpy , (edited )

A typical modern handgun will have a hammer, safety, magazine release, and trigger. (edit: no, a modern handgun will have a firing pin instead of a hammer) There’s a pattern for correct usage that’s easily repeatable and committed to memory. It’s great for fidgeting.

The problem is that using gun as a fidget toy will totally fuck up discipline for all four of the fundamental firearm safety rules (for when it’s not a toy):

  1. Treat all guns as if they are always loaded.
  1. Never let the muzzle point at anything that you are not willing to destroy.
  1. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you have made the decision to shoot.
  1. Be sure of your target and what is behind it.
someguy3 ,

Modern guns have a firing pin instead of a hammer, though this says 1911. I still have a tough time seeing it fulfill a fidgeting role, I see it as more of a toy.

SirDerpy ,

You’re obviously right about the firing pin. Also right about why I made the mistake.

As a fidget toy it’s like dry fire practice without regard for safety discipline. But, it seems like a means to irresponsibly teach breakdown & reassembly.

Fuck_u_spez_ ,

Sorry for the pedantry but modern guns also have magazines rather than clips.

SirDerpy ,

A clip feeds a magazine. A magazine feeds the firearm.

I’m trying to reinforce my knowledge by sharing. But, I’m obviously making too many mistakes to do it well. We’re on the same team trying to serve the community whole.

Thank you for correcting me.

Fixed my post above.

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

All modern guns* have firing pins. The firing pin is the part that pokes the primer to set off the cartridge.

However, they may or may not have externally accessible hammers. Some are on the outside and can be cocked with a thumb, e.g. the 1911 or Beretta M92/M9 and most revolvers. Some have internal hammers which are fully encapsulated by the slide or receiver and can’t be directly accessed without disassembly. This includes many modern rifles, for instance. And further, some guns may have “strikers” rather than hammers. The difference is a bit pedantic and basically boils down to strikers rarely being externally accessible, and usually their spring action being linear rather than the rotation movement of a hammer. Some people argue that any internal hammer is actually a striker. Others ague that the mechanism on, say, a Mosin-Nagant is a hammer and not a striker even though its action is clearly linear but it is externally accessible, etc., etc.

Regardless of which you have, a hammer or a striker, the end result is the same: Some manner of spring loaded mechanical dingus whacks into the firing pin, which in turn strikes the primer, which ignites and fires the shot.

(* Before additional pedantry rears its head, that is to say all modern fixed cartridge loading, primer fired guns. We’ll leave out any exotic novelties like guns firing caseless ammunition or electrically initiated primers, etc., which essentially do not exist as consumer products yet. This also excludes reproduction percussion cap guns, which may be “modern” in that they’re still being made, but utilize pre-turn-of-the-centruy mechanisms that usually involve the hammer landing directly on a percussion cap with no firing pin in between.)

Varyk OP ,

To “relieve their anxiety”, apparently.

You know how you relieve your anxiety when you pull the trigger of a gun?

Me neither, but-

I was going to cap this off by listing all the mass shooters who “relieved anxiety” as a joke, but I hate repeating their names and this toy and the entire shooting situation is too obscene for me to joke about right here.

Voyajer ,
@Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

America

*39 reviews

sexy_peach ,
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Wanted to buy it in pink after seeing this post but it seems to be bad quality. Looks nice in the renders though.

Varyk OP ,

Any time the company name is a random mix of consonants and vowels, quality suffers

delirious_owl ,
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Isn’t that just random letters?

Varyk OP ,

Yes!

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