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uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

More likely they just don’t belive technofeudalism is a good thing. In US it comes in single package with AI.

Ejh3k ,

I was thinking about this the other day. But has no one else forgotten the Terminator movies? At least the first two, I never saw any others.

AI DESTROYS THE WORLD!

That’s all I ever needed. And don’t get me wrong, I always thank the digital personal assistants whenever they do something for me. But get the fuck out of here if you think I’ll actively participate in AI.

Rin ,

/s?

gmtom ,

Most US adults couldnt tell you what LLM stands for, nevermind tell you how stable diffusion works. So theres not much point in asking them as they wont understand the benefits and the risks

echodot ,

The general public don’t understand what they’re talking about so it’s not worth asking them.

What is the point in surveys like this, we don’t operate on direct democracy so there’s literally no value in these things except to stir the pot.

Gabu ,

Most US adults don’t even know what AI is and it’s a miracle they don’t drown in their own droll… This sort of “news” is beyond irrelevant.

DarkGamer ,
@DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

"Can't we just make other humans from lower socioeconomic classes toil their whole lives, instead?"

The real risk of AI/automation is if we fail to adapt our society to it. It could free us from toil forever but we need to make sure the benefits of an automated society are spread somewhat evenly and not just among the robot-owning classes. Otherwise, consumers won't be able to afford that which the robots produce, markets will dry up, and global capitalism will stop functioning.

Drewelite ,

Agreed. And I don’t see our current economic structure standing up to this. I think we’ll need a system that gives people value that isn’t “What can you produce / what do you own?” The transition period will be brutal and we have to be careful how the elite use their influence during the restructuring. But if we’re motivated enough we could end up with a much better balance of power.

GenderNeutralBro ,

If everyone lived like the average American, we’d need 4-8 Earths to support the population, depending on which study you go by.

css.umich.edu/…/us-environmental-footprint-factsh…

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, but a huge amount of that is due to lack of conservation and unnecessary waste.

bigkix ,

My opinion - current state of AI is nothing special compared to what it can be. And when it will be close to all it can be, it will be used (as it always happens) to generate even more money and no equality. Movie “Elysium” comes to mind.

hamid ,

I ask chat gpt for really specific things like creating template language and writing short powershell scripts I could write but don’t have the time/don’t care about. It is useful but not revolutionary or risky for me.

randon31415 ,

AI benefits the masses at the expense of the few. It is just that few is becoming many. When it hits TOO MANY, the masses will become just the 1%.

HawlSera ,

At first I was all on board for artificial intelligence and spite of being told how dangerous it was, now I feel the technology has no practical application aside from providing a way to get a lot of sloppy half assed and heavily plagiarized work done, because anything is better than paying people an honest wage for honest work.

nandeEbisu ,

AI is such a huge term. Google lens is great, when I’m travelling I can take a picture of text and it will automatically get translated. Both of those are aided by machine learning models.

Generative text and image models have proven to have more adverse affects on society.

I think we’re at a point where we should start normalizing using more specific terminology. It’s like saying I hate machines, when you mean you hate cars, or refrigerators or air conditioners. It’s too broad of a term to be used most of the time.

ToucheGoodSir ,

Be the trend setter. What slang would you use(that I’ll use)?

Croquette ,

Why not the type of AI? In that.case, LLM.

nandeEbisu ,

Its not a matter of slang, its referring to too broad of a thing. You don’t need to go as deep as the type of model, something like AI image generation, or generative language models is what you would refer to. We’ll hopefully start converging on shorthand from there for specific things.

kicksystem ,

I’d like people to make a distinction between AI and machine learning, machine learning and neural networks (the word deep is redundant nowadays). And then have some sense of different popular types of neural nets: GANs, CNN, Transformer, stable diffusion. Might be nice if people know what is supervised unsupervised and reinforcement learning. Lastly people should have some sense of the difference between AI and AGI and what is not yet possible.

HawlSera ,

Chat GPT needs to be vastly improved pr thrown out to dry

nandeEbisu ,

I’m kind of surprised people are more concerned with the output quality for chatGPT, and not where they source their training set from, like for image models.

Language models are still in a stage where they aren’t really a product by themselves, they really need to be cajoled into becoming a good product, like looking up context via a traditional search and feeding it to the model, or guiding it towards solving problems. That’s more of a traditional software problem that leverages large language models.

Even the amount of engineering to go from text prediction model trained on a bunch of articles to something that infers you should put an answer after a question is a lot of work.

CoderKat ,

Yeah, I think LLMs and AI art have overdominated the discourse to the degree that some people think they’re the only form of AI that exists, ignoring things like text translation, the autocompletion of your phone keyboard, Photoshop intelligent eraser, etc.

Some forms of AI are debatable of their value (especially in their current form). But there’s other types of AI that most people consider highly useful and I think we just forget about it because the controversial types are more memorable.

nandeEbisu ,

AI is a tool, its value is dependent on whatever the application is. Transformer architectures can be used for generating text or music, but they were also originally developed for text translation which people have fewer qualms with.

SnipingNinja ,

ignoring things like text translation, the autocompletion of your phone keyboard, Photoshop intelligent eraser, etc.

AFAIK two of those are generative AI based or as you said LLMs and AI art

Franzia ,

This is basically how I feel about it. Capital is ruining the value this tech could have. But I don’t think it’s dangerous and I think the open source community will do awesome stuff with it, quietly, over time.

Edit: where AI can be used to scan faces or identify where people are, yeah that’s a unique new danger that this tech can bring.

Alenalda ,

I’ve been watching a lot of geoguesser lately and the number of people who can pinpoint a location given just a picture is staggering. Even for remote locations.

Chickenstalker ,

Dude. Drones and sexbots. Killing people and fucking (sexo) people have always been at the forefront of new tech. If you think AI is only for teh funni maymays, you’re in for a rude awakening.

mriormro , (edited )
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

you think AI is only for teh funni maymays

When did they state this? I’ve seen it used exactly as they have described. My inbox is littered with terribly written ai emails, I’m seeing graphics that are clearly ai generated being delivered as ‘final and complete’, and that’s not to mention the homogeneous output of it all. It’s turning into nothing but noise.

derpgon ,

Funny, because it actually starts as noise, too.

Mojojojo1993 ,

Some of those adults voted for Trump. Unfortunately cannot trust any of them. So

Buttons ,
@Buttons@programming.dev avatar

Most US adults never aspire to create anything and thus a tool that is useful for creating is of no use to them.

snugglesthefalse ,

But if you’re actually creating things you’ve most likely invested time into learning creative tools. Ai seems like it could be useful for quickly generating reference though. But most of the time there’s already useful enough refs on the internet already. So far ai has been more of a sidegrade and an alternative to making something.

j677XZ ,

I don’t understand why people don’t have the fantasy imagine all the possibilities in which AI can help us progress from the absolutely dismal state of the world we live in currently. Yes there are risks but I just want technology to progress desperately even if I myself live somewhat comfortably for now.

IHawkMike ,

My concern is that the people that already own everything today will capture all of the new value created by AI + automation and the rift of inequality will only deepen.

Guillotines aren’t as effective when they have AI-controlled assault drones.

mob ,

I can’t imagine AI controlled assault drones would help rich people at all. If that was a fear, wouldn’t the same fear be around since the invention of tanks or any military advancement?

Some private citizen starts using attack drones, I don’t think it will work out well in most countries. Even if the government didn’t intervene, which it would immediately

nosurprises ,

I can’t imagine AI controlled assault drones would help rich people at all.

Rich people sell them. Armies benefit from AI-controlled drones, because they can be extremely precise, hit moving targets and don’t care about connection interference if brains are on board.

mob ,

I guess profiting from them, yeah. Guess I was speaking in the OP context as a response to a guillotine

ArmokGoB ,

Any war against the rich will be a guerilla war. The National Guard has shinier toys than you.

DeathsEmbrace ,

Wanna bet?

ArmokGoB ,

I will bet literally everything I own that you don’t have a drone with air-to-ground missiles.

DeathsEmbrace ,

You’re right I got an arsenal thats 2000-10000 years ahead of everything.

Techmaster ,

Because we’ve all seen Terminator and The Matrix.

nosurprises , (edited )

I don’t understand why people don’t have the fantasy imagine all the possibilities in which AI can help us progress from the absolutely dismal state of the world we live in currently.

Because one of the primal functions of our brains is to protect us from threats. These people live today. If history teaches us anything, it’s that such inventions benefit elites and it takes years of active civil work to fight back.

AI can help us solve many problems, but risks are there. It doesn’t help that politicians have no idea how to regulate AI properly.

j677XZ ,

Inequality is a huge problem but overall technology has clearly increased the standard of living globally. Maybe if I was living in the US, the way low skilled workers are treated despite the tremendous wealth it would also affect my outlook I have to admit. Overall I feel that, long term, technology is the only thing that can get the global population to prosperity and AI has the potential to be a massive boost for scientific progress. There must be some disruption imo, mostly due to progressing climate change for which we have no answer.

lloram239 ,

It’s easy to imagine how AI can be beneficial in the short term. The problem is imagining how it won’t go wrong in the long term.

Even sci-fi has a hard time figuring that out. StarTrek just stops at ChatGPT-level of intelligence, that’s how smart the ship computer is and it doesn’t get any smarter. Whenever there is something smarter, it’s always a unique one-of that can’t be replicated.

Nobody knows how the world will look like when we have ubiquitous smart and cheap AI, not just ChatGPT-smart, but “smarter than the smartest human”-smart, and by a large margin. There is basically no realistic scenario where we won’t end up with AI that will be far superior to us.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Whenever there is something smarter, it’s always a unique one-of that can’t be replicated.

EMH mark 1. They duplicated it and used it for cheap, menial labor. Despite the fact that it was capable of real intelligence (see The Doctor). It didn’t dive deeper than that; it was literally the ending scene to a single episode that simply left the audience thinking about the implications, as well as showing a possible start to an uprising.

treadful ,
@treadful@lemmy.zip avatar

Even sci-fi has a hard time figuring that out.

Science fiction just is about entertainment. An AI that’s all but invisible and causes no problems isn’t really a character worth exploring.

lloram239 ,

An AI that’s all but invisible and causes no problems isn’t really a character worth exploring.

Yeah, but don’t you see the problem in that by itself? Even in the best case scenario we are heading into a future where humanities existence is so boring that it has no more stories worth telling.

We see a precursor to that with smartphones in movies today. The writer always have to slap some lame excuse in there for the smartphones to not work, as otherwise there wouldn’t be a story. Hardly anybody can come up with ideas on how to have an interesting story where the smartphones do work.

treadful ,
@treadful@lemmy.zip avatar

No, I don’t see a problem in old tropes dying.

sturmblast ,

Most adult Americans don’t know the difference between a PC Tower and Monitor, or a Modem and a PC, or an ethernet cable and a usb cable.

edgemaster72 ,
@edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t forget also hard drive vs PC tower

ultratiem ,
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

Or a browser and the internet. It’s a very low bar.

ohlaph ,

And cloud concepts.

Franzia ,

This is so snobby of you.

sturmblast ,

no, I work in IT and have for over 20 years it’s merely an observation

Armen12 ,

It’s an outdated observation. Everyone today has a basic knowledge of computers

foggenbooty ,

I’d dispute that. The iPadification of tech has people using computers more, but with less actual knowledge of computers.

Armen12 ,

I’d like some data on that because the tech world seems to have come a long way in just the last 20 years. Things wouldn’t progress this fast if people didn’t know what they were doing. Saying “kids these days” is such a cliche

echodot ,

No it’s pretty up-to-date really.

Where I work we have a lot of mini DELL workstations and everyone insists on calling them hard drives or processes. The irony been they actually don’t have any data storage capability at all, other then RAM, since they all save data on the network drives. So the one thing they definitively are not is hard drives.

vzq ,

The problem is that I’m pretty sure that whatever benefits AI brings, they are not going to trickle down to people like me. After all, all AI investments are coming from the digital land lords and are designed to keep their rent seeking companies in the saddle for at least another generation.

However, the drawbacks certainly are headed my way.

So even if I’m optimistic about the possible use of AI, I’m not optimistic about this particular stand of the future we’re headed toward.

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