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autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Way back in 2015, Tesla CEO Elon Musk would frequently give his engineers an earful after his car company’s infamous Autopilot driver assistance tech nearly got him killed during test drives on multiple occasions — though there’s a chance its dangerous behavior may have been due to Musk’s stubbornness on how the technology should be built.

Per its chapter on the launch of the driver assistance tech, Musk would learn firsthand that a curve on Interstate 405 caused Autopilot, thrown off by the road’s faded lane lines, to steer into and “almost hit” oncoming traffic.

But if Musk wanted safer software, he perhaps should’ve listened to his engineers, who have frequently petitioned over the years to incorporate what’s known as light detection and ranging technology, or LiDAR.

LiDAR is essentially radar that uses light instead of sound, and Tesla’s competitors, including Google’s Waymo, have long leveraged it to help their autonomous cars “see.”

Musk, however, has insisted that Tesla’s cars only use optical sensors, likening it to how humans primarily use their eyes to drive, according to the biography, and as such, he’s been tepid on using plain old radar, too.

"We told Elon that it was best safety-wise to use it … but it was clear that he thought we should eventually be able to rely on camera vision only, "one young engineer who joined in 2014 recalled, as quoted in the biography.

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malloc OP ,

Good bot

Arthur_Leywin ,

Good hooman

AbidanYre ,

Well autopilot, you know what they say. If at first you don’t succeed…

eroc1990 ,

Die, die again.

FilthyHands ,

go autopilot go!

Pistcow ,

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TonyTonyChopper ,
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youtu.be/dyIilW_eBjc

alienanimals ,

Literally every single day we have idiots doing Musk’s PR work for free.

Downvote Musk spam. The billionaire doesn’t need your help ensuring his businesses stay in the 24 hour news cycle.

NocturnalMorning ,

Do you just go into every single article and spam this comment?

hyperhopper ,

He’s right though. We can’t go a day without some inane bullshit about musk getting posted. This event happened 8 years ago, it’s not even news. It should have “2015” in the title. This is a bad post, and I’m disappointed we always have to have these kinds of posts around.

ram ,
@ram@lemmy.ca avatar

Lemmy needs muting filters so we can just mute anything mentioning Elon Musk

Honytawk ,

There is probably a third party app with that functionality

ram ,
@ram@lemmy.ca avatar

Ya, I think most do. I never use my phone for web browsing though, personally.

purahna ,
@purahna@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Doing so would be a valuable contribution to the discussion and morally good so I sure hope so

treadful ,
@treadful@lemmy.zip avatar

It’s not even especially an informative or interesting article. It just picks out one tiny little story from the book and puts a bunch of unnecessary padding around it.

malloc OP ,

Counter point: If I didn’t hear how badly he runs his businesses, or how bad his company’s products are. I would have easily bought one or more of his products.

I have backed out of Tesla pre-orders because of the bad publicity, many reports of bad build quality, and terrible business decisions.

If this was a puff piece, I honestly wouldn’t have bothered posting it.

ClarkDoom ,

Most people on the entire planet are aware of how shitty he is at this point. Everyone that would not purchase a product related to him is already not buying said product. There’s no more people to convince. Don’t act like a white knight while degrading the content in this community.

I swear this specific community is turning more people off to lemmy than any other. These type of posts are why.

pivot_root ,

Most people on the entire planet are aware of how shitty he is at this point.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consensus_effect

And

docs.cdn.yougov.com/h45mt3xoby/econTabReport.pdf

Section 49, where 64% of people either liked him or didn’t know enough about him to have an opinion.

wahming ,

imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ten_thousand.png

jackoneill ,

My we are pompous today

Jomega , (edited )

Last time I mentioned Musk in a casual conversation, this one guy kept going on and on about how he thinks he’s a genius and how Twitter will be so much better now and how he’ll bring us all into space and how people only don’t like him because he’s conservative. He would have kept talking forever if we didn’t change the subject.

My point is that lots of people don’t know how shitty he is. Some people live in an echo chamber where they don’t ever hear about that stuff because certain people want to sell a narrative where the rich man is competent and the poor people are just jealous. Others just aren’t very attentive.

Not everyone is you. It’s good that you know he’s shit, but you shouldn’t assume that everyone knows everything you do. It’s important that we dispel the myth that the rich and powerful got that way by being smarter than us. If it takes a hundred articles to do that, then it will all be worth it.

Honytawk ,

I’m convinced he pays an entire meme troll team to create propaganda that boost his internet persona.

I’ve seen videos on Tiktok with no other purpose than to say how genius Elmo is, and how he worked his way from nothing, that he is essentially superior to everyone else.

Who in their right mind would create such a video if they weren’t being paid for it?

tjaden ,
@tjaden@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Normally I would agree with you. But some of these comments here are dark humor gold, so I’m conflicted.

Sorry…

ClarkDoom ,

Another prime example of how shitposting has ruined the internet. Who gives a shit if someone has a funny comment if the content is literally degrading the quality of this channel, lemmy, and the greater internet.

GlitzyArmrest ,
@GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world avatar

If seeing the words “Elon Musk” really degrades your internet experience that much, maybe the internet isn’t for you. Unfortunately, he’s a billionaire, and he will be in the media until he dies.

ClarkDoom ,

He’s in social media so much because of the people that are obsessed with him like OP, not the people that are tired of mindless peons inadvertently propping him up.

There’s a whole list of billionaires that aren’t posted about every hour. There’s absolutely no reason to obsess over this guy.

GlitzyArmrest ,
@GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world avatar

That’s exactly my point: he’s one of the richest and most prominent people on the planet (something that I too dislike). People posting about him are not going anywhere because of his status.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

HUMOR ISN’T FUNNY!

GlitzyArmrest ,
@GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world avatar

Unfortunately, because of him being a billionaire his PR is self sustaining and posts about him aren’t going anywhere.

Supertramper ,

I checked the Business Insider news feed last week. Within 9 hours they posted 8 (!) Musk “news” stories. It’s ridiculous.

Ocelot ,

So he demanded that the driver assistance software be as safe as possible before public release? paving the way for full self driving 6-7 years later? is this a bad thing?

pivot_root ,

If he demanded it was as safe as possible, he wouldn’t have refused to add lidar or radar capabilities.

Ocelot , (edited )

I thought the “needs lidar” debate was settled years ago? Lidar cannot read signs. It is also prohibitively expensive to put in vehicles. If you’re going to drive with a neural network you need as much training data as possible, which means as many sensors in as many vehicles as possible.

If your cameras detect something the lidar does not, you trust the cameras, every time. Lidar can very easily misinterperet the world. It works great for simple robots who need to know where walls are and don’t need to specifially identify animals, people, obstacles, speed bumps, construction zones, etc.

Theres also the simple fact that humans can drive just fine without having evolved a lidar sensor.

drdabbles ,
@drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

Look at you just parroting Musk’s lies. Do you parrot his transphobic bullshit too?

severien ,

If your cameras detect something the lidar does not, you trust the cameras

Yes, but if the lidar sees something the cameras doesn’t, you trust the lidar.

Ocelot ,

Actually, no you don’t. Lidar cannot dentify object’s specifically. Tesla does use lidar in their testing/prototype vehicles and they have to find any instances manually where these systems don’t agree. It always falls back to cameras.

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    Ocelot ,

    TSLA doesn’t even pay dividends. Appreciate you pointing yourself out as horribly misinformed.

    Illuminostro ,

    Then why are you so stridently kissing Musk’s ass?

    Snipe_AT ,
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    Ocelot ,

    Exactly. Also lidar is important in instances where you need millimeter precision. Its useful for calibrating camera systems in self driving cars but in order to drive safely you don’t need that level of detail about the world around the car. It makes no difference if a car or pedestrian is 72 or 73 inches away.

    Illuminostro ,

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    SkyezOpen ,

    Evs don’t have to drive themselves.

    Ocelot ,

    That’s not an EV specific thing. Hundreds of people will die TODAY in traffic related accidents, EV or not. We need to shift away from human drivers entirely.

    pivot_root ,

    Unless every last vehicle on the road is suddenly converted to cooperative autonomous systems, the human element and unpredictability will still be present. Even then, wildlife, pedestrians, and unpredictable events will pose a challenge to autonomous vehicles.

    In a perfect world, FSD would help. In the real world, Tesla’s FSD is a beta feature being spearheaded by a stubborn egomaniac that thinks he knows better than the people actually doing the engineering work. And frankly, I’d rather not spend my money for the privilege of being driven into the side of a concrete barrier down the highway because somebody wants to cut costs and place style above function.

    pivot_root ,

    For a multi-ton metal projectile that drives itself (a car), you want multiple data sources to draw a consensus from. Relying on one data source is a point of failure, and that’s not acceptable when you have the potential to kill not only the driver but others outside the car.

    drdabbles ,
    @drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

    No he ABSOLUTELY didn’t do that, because it’s very unsafe and he unleashed not only AP but also that total steaming pile that is “FSD”. Which is neither F nor SD.

    Dasnap ,
    @Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

    It was set to protect human lives, so it made the only logical play.

    malloc OP ,

    Just need to sneak in this code

    if (facialMatch(elon)) { haltAndCatchFire(); }

    lustrum ,

    Also I bet he’s more mad it was video’d and publicised.

    Empricorn ,

    I will never advocate violence, but factually the entire country would be better off if that Tesla vehicle had succeeded.

    Entropius ,
    @Entropius@lemmy.world avatar

    LiDAR is essentially radar that uses light instead of sound

    Radar doesn’t use sound. It sounds like the author doesn’t know the difference between sonar and radar.

    Ganondorf ,
    @Ganondorf@kbin.social avatar

    This is why comments are so useful. I was already on the fence about viewing a site named futurism and your comment made sure I will avoid it moving forward.

    ABCDE ,

    I think that’s a big qualm of mine in terms of the sources allowed here, and I suppose it will take time to weed out the trustworthy from the not.

    Deceptichum ,
    @Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

    Why does the word futurism put you the fence?

    xkforce ,

    A lot of articles that either use that buzzword or are published by sites that have that in their name are utter garbage. i.e rediculous predictions, inaccurate headlines/content etc.

    anlumo ,

    Futurists are people who cosplay as scientists predicting stuff they have no clue about.

    30mag ,

    It also looks like the author doesn’t know the difference between sonar and radar.

    PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

    Yeah, it uses radio frequencies. RaDAR stands for “Radio Detection And Ranging”. It uses radio waves (usually in the microwave bandwidth) to detect things. Basically, since those radio waves are affected by the Doppler effect, you can have a computer do some math to determine the speed of whatever those waves reflected off of. Because the Doppler effect changes a wave based on how fast an object is moving relative to an observer. So if you’re a stationary observer, you can figure out how fast an object is moving relative to yourself, purely based on how much that moving object changes the waves you’re reflecting off of it.

    Slotos ,

    Every wave is affected by Doppler effect.

    When a car rushes your way, it’s a tiny bit bluer, a little bit hotter, it’s drivers’ phone is operating on a slightly higher frequency and it sounds higher. According to you.

    Tristaniopsis ,

    Well… also according to most physicists.

    randommilkmake ,

    Why are you misquoting the article that is not what it says

    The real quote

    LiDAR is essentially radar that uses light instead of radio waves…

    Entropius ,
    @Entropius@lemmy.world avatar

    Why are you misquoting the article that is not what it says

    Why are you accusing me of something I didn’t do?

    From the bottom of the article:

    Updated to correct an error in describing how radar works.

    I quoted it correctly at the time. They just edited it after I commented.

    uphillbothways ,
    @uphillbothways@kbin.social avatar

    Autopilot engineers in meeting: 'Oh, hi.... You're.... here.'

    poplargrove ,

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    Blackout ,
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    ITT: people wishing death on a billionaire.

    I wouldn't worry about it. They kill us all the time in the name of profits.

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    TheEntity ,

    Only when it becomes the possibility of his own death.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    If he was trying to reduce the deaths, he would go with LiDAR.

    Illuminostro ,

    Incorrect. Wishing death on one person.

    Gork ,

    You know who also didn’t listen to their engineers? NASA back in the day with Space Shuttle Challenger. You’d think Musk would be cognizant of the importance of listening to engineers when they bring up safety concerns, particularly as he owns SpaceX.

    But no, he’d rather be a knob.

    Potatos_are_not_friends ,

    The Batshit Crazy Story Of The Day Elon Musk Decided To Personally Rip Servers Out Of A Sacramento Data Center

    Bademantel ,

    That was a ride, thank you!

    Ilovethebomb ,

    It does sound like some of the Twitter engineers are pretty bad at explaining things in layman’s terms, to be honest.

    Honytawk ,

    Almost like those engineers are paid to apply their knowledge, not play school teacher.

    Hanabie ,
    @Hanabie@kbin.social avatar

    Too bad it failed.

    bender ,
    @bender@insaneutopia.com avatar

    This is the best the technology community has to offer today?

    Dekthro ,

    Well, yes. Because it specifically happened to him. He doesn’t care about everyone else.

    cerevant ,

    This is the reality of safety engineering: he will go on for days about his statistics that say it is safer to drive a Tesla, but when it is you that rolls a nat 1, suddenly they aren’t safe enough.

    Overzeetop ,
    @Overzeetop@kbin.social avatar

    This it the reality of right-wing neuropathy. Republicans will go on for days about how checks and balances (regulations) are bad and being successful and safe is about personal responsibility. But when something bad happens to them, suddenly the entire system is bad and should have been keeping them safe. Musk's complete lack of empathy shows in his hubris and his political associations.

    ElleChaise ,

    Typical conservative.

    muse ,
    @muse@kbin.social avatar

    Maybe I judged AI too harshly...

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