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suckmyspez ,

Relegated? The iPhone has always had USB 2.0 speeds…

Player2 ,

That has been trash for pretty much a decade at this point

hansl ,

I can’t remember the last time I plugged my phone to transfer data.

MrBananaMan ,

Okay and? I transferred an album to my phone via USB two days ago. Your experiences are not the same as others’.

hansl ,

That’s fine. If you’re using an iPhone you’ll literally get better speed for the last decade by unplugging your phone and doing the exact same thing over WiFi.

Rai ,

Different poster here: WiFi sucks and my whole house is wired for gigabit Ethernet. I use USB as well for this reason.

BadRS ,

Different poster here Wifi doesn’t suck

Rai ,

I get good speeds if I’m right next to the router too, but across the house where all my stuff is, I do not get good coverage. I am aware I can purchase things to fix that, but I’m not going to because everything is wired up and I prefer it that way.

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    Rai ,

    Wtf why would I get off my ass if I can just plug the damn thing in

    Oh hun hold on I need to pause what we’re watching so I can go do phone shit over by the router while I transfer things over because I HAVE to do it wirelessly for some reason

    Nah I’ll just plug it in thanks

    errer ,

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    10EXP ,
    @10EXP@sh.itjust.works avatar

    You’re lying

    …that’s a way to shoot the entire conversation down. Regardless of that guy’s WiFi speeds, and the fact that range of the router and the size of their house is a thing, you do realise third world countries exist with shit internet right?

    Rai ,

    I didn’t even say my internet speed before that guy was like “U R LIE”

    I have gigabit up and down hahaha. My router lives in a room near the entrance of my house that I only use to like… enter my house hahahaha

    Rai ,

    I’m right next to my computer. I can plug something in by… reaching forward. What is this Reddit “let me fix a problem you don’t have” bullshit you’re spewing?

    I have 1Gb u/d and have no idea what my WiFi speeds are next to my router. Like I said, my house is an Ethernet house.

    phillaholic ,

    You’re in the extremely small minority (me too). My company has worked remote for twenty years and maybe 2% of users plug in wired ever. Programmers and Statisticians.

    mikeboltonshair ,

    I too haven’t plugged my phone in to transfer anything since the 6s, obviously there are people who do like yourself and Apple limiting transfer speeds is ridiculous but the majority of people are basically using the cable for charging, I don’t have data to prove it but anecdotally I’d bet I’m right

    They shouldn’t have capped the speeds but I highly doubt this will be an issue that the average person cares about

    dpkonofa ,

    Seriously… the number of people plugging their phones in to transfer anything to/from an iPhone is in the single digit percentages, if that.

    balder1991 ,

    How can you possibly know that without any extensive research?

    dpkonofa ,

    I work with Apple products all day and work with people using them every day. I can’t remember when we had someone who actually plugged in their phone to do anything other than charge. My company has been working with iPhone users every day for years so we’re talking thousands of people. I have a pretty good sample size and would say that our work basically amounts to extensive research.

    Also, just look at the responses here and otherwise. Even the number of people that still demand a headphone jack is limited to techies and less-than-single-digit percentages.

    phillaholic ,

    The downvoted here are insane. Just Android fanboys trying to dunk on iPhones for a reason no iPhone user cares about at all. I agree 100%. No one buying the non-pros plugs in for data transfer anymore.

    dpkonofa ,

    I know. It’s ok. I have a MagSafe charger on my nightstand and sync everything else to iCloud, Google Drive, and a NAS, depending on the need. There is literally no reason for me to ever plug this thing in.

    phillaholic ,

    Yea… I stream directly off my NAS if I need to. Plug-in in is inconvenient no matter the speed.

    phx ,

    That’s not the only reason for fast I/O though. Yeah it’s convenient for a quick transfer/backup of large files but there’s also the ability to use peripherals that require higher rates. USB3 has been around since 2008 so it’s not really unreasonable to expect a modern phone to support a spec that’s over a decade old…

    Player2 ,

    I can plug in one cable into my device (S21 Ultra) which will allow me to charge at 45W and use a desktop interface with a separate mouse, keyboard, and monitor, all at the same time.

    MeanEYE ,
    @MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

    So your argument is unless you have sex no one needs an organ for it?

    More to the point USB can be used for so much more than just data transfer. I know Apple hasn’t provided you folk with any option like those and it’s a “revolutionary and brave move” waiting to happen 5-10 years after everyone else… but my phone has HDMI out, USB hub which has keyboard, mouse and external drive connected. You know, you can charge your phone and do work and use your device?

    Valmond ,

    Wow, that seems kind of cool actually.

    I wonder if a phone could replace a ThinkPad? I mean it’d probably be sluggish but maybe okay to use?

    A link to that dock station thingy of yours?

    MeanEYE ,
    @MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s a simply USB C hub with HDMI, LAN, memory card reader, etc. It can charge your device while providing HDMI output and the rest of desktop experience. Nothing too special, VAVA VA-UC006

    Valmond ,

    Simple and elegant, thanks for the link!

    Gotta get one of those Linux telephones now (so I can be disappointed I guess 😅), always having your PC with you would be so swell.

    MeanEYE ,
    @MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

    You are welcome. There are pocket sized PCs out there running both Linux and Windows. Right now this works for me. :)

    PotatoOnceCame ,

    2 decades. Their previous proprietary monster was just as bad.

    zerbey ,

    The only people who need the USB 3 transfer speeds are going to be Pro users. For everyone else, it doesn’t matter.

    ksynwa ,
    @ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    Why do Pro users need 3 transfer speeds?

    zerbey ,

    Photo transfer.

    ksynwa ,
    @ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    Non pro users don’t need to transfer photos?

    iHUNTcriminals ,

    Lmao at people justifying cunt culture.

    coffeebiscuit ,

    People connect their phone to a computer with a wire?

    exscape ,

    iPhone strange speeds are >1GB/s, or >8 Gbit/s. WiFi is nowhere close in practice, but USB 3.0 is (recent versions are much faster).

    Earthwormjim91 ,

    The non pro phones don’t have the RAW photo and video that the pro phones do.

    RAW takes up a massive amount more space per photo and video than normal compressed images.

    Also, I don’t know anyone with an iPhone that doesn’t just automatically back their photos up to iCloud anyway, meaning that all of their non RAW photos and videos are constantly transferred throughout the day to iCloud. The only people I do know that transfer things over cable are the ones that actually use the ProRes and ProRAW photos and video.

    ksynwa ,
    @ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    This somewhat makes sense in that ra w media is higher volume in terms of data. But lossy compressed images and video can still be high data-volume even if they are not raw.

    The aspect that is missing from this discussion is how much it would actually cost Apple to include high wired data transfer speeds in non pro models and whether non pro models cost enough to justify including this feature even if a small fraction of users use it.

    As an addendum I will share my opinion that even pro model users are not gonna use wired transfer 99.99% of the time. I feel Apple is doing this to fabricate a separation between pro and non-pro models plus boosting their bottom line. Sadly there are a bunch of people in this thread that are uncritically defending a trillion dollar corporation for reasons I cannot fathom. This is not really a topic that I’m passionate about so I’m not gonna engage in this any further.

    Earthwormjim91 ,

    It will likely come to the non pro here in a couple of years at most.

    The iPads that have thunderbolt and usb3 use a separate physical usb controller for those speeds. The iPhone doesn’t have the space for that so they handle on the chip itself.

    The non pro 15 is using the A16 from last year’s pro model that only supports usb 2. The pro this year has the A17 pro chip that supports it.

    I suspect that next year when we get the rumored “ultra” iPhone, it will have an even beefier A18 Pro chip that will support thunderbolt 4 like the iPad Pro does with 40 gig, and the non pro iPhone will get the A17 which will handle base usb3 speed like the iPad Air does.

    Teppic ,
    @Teppic@kbin.social avatar

    What kind of a pro is taking photos using an iPhone?

    coffeebiscuit ,

    A procrastinator.

    TimeSquirrel ,
    @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

    It's the same guy at the construction site using his phone as a bubble level.

    Ghostalmedia ,
    @Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

    Those giant high res videos can really hurt to transfer to your computer to edit.

    Orbit79 ,

    If they use their phone for it’s internet connection and need to send large amounts of data, like after a photo shoot.

    Polar ,

    What? Do you realize how insanely slow USB 2 is? Good luck transferring even a tiny ass video. I don’t think you need to be a pro user to want to transfer some media from your phone and not take all day…

    BURN ,

    Most people using Apple devices don’t transfer media via cord anymore. The average user only uses the cloud for those things.

    I’ve had an iPhone for the last 10 years and can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve needed to use a cable instead of iCloud/Dropbox/other file share service.

    agitatedpotato , (edited )

    Transfering video via cord is actually apples suggested way of sending full res videos to android phones because Apple is too lazy and monopolous to adopt RCS.

    BURN ,

    RCS is also a google monopoly. Can’t call out Apple for being a monopoly without also applying the same standard to google. RCS is technically open, but in order to work they require googles servers.

    I just send video over Dropbox if I want to share full res. But that is the first legitimate use I’ve seen.

    agitatedpotato ,

    What’s to stop apple from using their own servers in accordance with the published specs from the GSMA, the industry nonprofit that started and steers the project by committee? Im not putting it past google to be a monopoly either, but I can’t find any info that suggests apple is being shut out of doing it themselves. ATT has their own implementation away from googles RCS servers, or at least used to.

    BURN ,

    They can, but why would they? RCS is essentially googles standard, it’s just more open than Apples equivalent.

    For the most part Apple and Apple users just don’t care. iMessage works for most everyone, and for texting non-Apple users a 3rd party app is used.

    It’s not impossible that it happens, but it’s only going to happen once their hand is forced.

    agitatedpotato ,

    So then the answer isn’t “its a google monopoly” its ‘google choose to work with the nonprofit and we didn’t’. Im sure the 1200 company strong industry nonprofit would have loved to have apple at the table for a collaborative development on an open standard. They’ve done it before with usb c, they chose not to. If anything google would be asserting monopoly over other people who choose to provide RCS services, not anyone that chooses not to. I get it though, if I was Apple I’d be terrified of having to compete with googles net infrastructure, they would lose unless they got amazon on their team.

    phillaholic ,

    RCS is older than iMessage yet was still a total mess of compatibility just two years ago. E2EE isn’t part of the spec, but something Google tacked on to their implementation. Google has an abysmal track record for supporting chat services. So why should apple adapt to them again? Meanwhile Apple created a seamless experience for iPhone users and has been supporting it for a decade now.

    knotthatone ,

    USB 2 can transfer 1 gigabyte in about 20 seconds

    cheery_coffee ,

    This stuff transfers over WiFi quickly. I don’t think 99.9% of iPhone owners have even plugged a phone into a computer in the last 10 years.

    I’ll go and shoot 30gb of photos and within a half hour of uploading them they’re synced to iCloud.

    Earthwormjim91 ,

    Shit, the only place I even plug my phone into now is my car because I was too dumb to wait a few months for the refresh that came with wireless CarPlay.

    I use MagSafe at home for all of my charging, and airdrop/airplay for pretty much everything else that isn’t synced to iCloud.

    AtariDump ,

    Get yourself a wired to wireless CarPlay adapter.

    Earthwormjim91 ,

    I’ve thought about it. I haven’t decided how long I’m keeping this car though. The practical mind in me says keep it until the wheels fall off.

    The enthusiast in me really wants a dark horse Mustang though lol.

    phillaholic ,

    They are like $60 though

    Earthwormjim91 ,

    And wired CarPlay works for me. Wireless would be nice but it’s not a necessity for me, especially given that that dongle would be useless to me if I do change cars here soon anyway.

    I’ve looked around at the wireless CarPlay adapters, the consensus seems to be that to get one without any significant latency and operates as close to native wireless CarPlay, it’s gonna be in the $1-200 range too. That’s a decent amount for something I might only use for a few months.

    phillaholic ,

    There is a little lag on mine. GPS is still usable, though the battery drain makes it less worthwhile on long trips. For me it’s been fantastic for short trips as I often just never took my phone out of my pocket when I wasn’t going far. It’s the CarLink 3.0 available on Amazon down to $52 with on page coupon.

    HidingCat ,

    It's not that slow, how'd you think I transferred stuff off a CompactFlash card with raw files off my DSLR before USB 3.0? I'd regularly dump several GBs worth of files out after a shoot. It'd take a few minutes but it's not the end of the world.

    doggle ,

    Apple has been pushing users away from transferring data over cable for years anyway. Most users will sync files over wifi.

    Annoying, as that should be the users choice, but I doubt the average iPhone user will even notice. Iirc the lightning connector was also limited to USB 2.0 speeds and only some particular power users ever complained about that.

    TheLordHumungus ,

    Like gambling, buying Apple products is a stupid tax

    phillaholic ,

    It feels really stupid having the industries longest support length and highest resell value.

    MeanEYE ,
    @MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s like saying foot fungus is a great investment because it’s hard to get rid of. Also you conveniently left off that longest support is often required because of cost cutting measures Apple loves to do. How many product recalls were there? And even then they sometimes make them so that no one fits the criteria.

    phillaholic ,

    It’s not hard to get rid of an iPhone at all. I could sell the device in my hand easily if I wanted to.

    What are you even talking about? Cost cutting makes them support a phone longer? Supporting a phone longer costs them more money. Literally the antithesis of your claim.

    There were 0 product recalls. You may be thinking of Samsung who recalled the Note 7 for exploding. The iPhone 4 antenna design flaw was known inside the retail return window and anyone could have returned it for a full refund. They otherwise offered a free case to everyone who elected to keep the phone (myself included). The first line of Samsung Galaxy GSM phones had a similar flaw if you cupped the bottom rear of the phone; the Vibrant model on T-mobile had an “ass” that stuck out that was easier to cause total network drop on then my iPhone 4 on AT&T, but Samsung did not offer a free case or mitigation.

    MeanEYE ,
    @MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

    All you have to do is go to Apple site and see number of recall programs currently active. The fact you don’t know about them or you are lying says a lot. But zero is not even close. Pretty much every laptop generation had an issue that had to be addressed one way or another. iPhones were a bit better but still frequent.

    On another note if you want to finger point at any company for making a mistake, Samsung isn’t one. Number of affected Note7 devices was first of all small but even so Samsung gave EVERYONE new S7 Edge as a replacement for Note7. As opposed to Apple who sold refurbished devices to users as a part of replacement program.

    My joke was that extended service programs were there as a result of poor quality… And yes it does cost them more to provide support but then again class action lawsuit costs more.

    Also, it’s extremely ironic that Apple currently has recall program for MacBook Pro due to batteries posing fire risk, while you point out how Samsung was bad for risky batteries and claiming Apple had 0 recalls. You fanboys are a joke.

    phillaholic ,

    Ok, I misunderstood. I thought you were implying a much more narrow definition. Samsung has an extensive list of recalls too. Most tech companies do, or at least should. Many get away with flat out ignoring major issues. This is a sign of companies making things right, not a showing of how many problems they have. Apple has way more issues than this, as does Google (my phone probably couldn’t call 911 for several days. Glad I didn’t find out for sure). Samsung has had actually dangerous recalls. They have a line of Nvme drives that are all defective and they refuse to recall them. Western digital / sandisk has several too.

    I’m not going to allow you to compare a literal exploading phone to anything else. That’s absurd and you should be embarrassed to bring that up.

    Warranty replacements are almost always refurbished from every manufacturer. Refurbished Apple products typically have all new external parts for the record. MacBooks don’t for the record, but I’ve personally purchased refurbished iPads, iPhones, and apple TVs and they are indistinguishable from new visually. Samsung has a business program that does something similar. I’m not aware of they do this on the consumer level.

    Your joke doesn’t make sense. They aren’t extending support because they screwed something up. They support all iPhones longer than Android makers. Only just recently are a few starting to approach similar longevity.

    Posing a fire risk is different than multiple actual publicized incidents of Note 7s blowing up to the point where they are banned on airplanes. The vast majority of recalls are preventative. Samsung screwed the Note 7 up twice. Their initial fix didn’t work and then they scrapped the entire phone. It would have killed any other Android maker.

    SeaOtter ,

    I’d wager that owning an iPhone is cheaper than a Samsung Galaxy or likely any premium Android.

    An iPhone is typically getting 6 years of iOS versions, plus an additional 1-2 years of security updates. For instance, the iPhone X, announced in Fall 2017 was on latest iOS until iOS 17 comes in this month. iPhone 6S, released in Sep 2015, is still getting security updates.

    If you are someone who runs their phone into the ground until the end of security updates, iPhone wins hands down. If you are someone who wants the latest and greatest, iPhone hold resale value like no other and its not even close.

    DestroyerOfWorlds ,

    Apple:

    We had two children. Conner (yay! so handsome!!😍) and…erm, ugh…Billy. We don’t play favorites! Conner gets driven to private school, plays lacrosse, and has a tutor. Billy takes the bus to public school across town, has a sack lunch, and we broke his legs when he learned to walk because he was smaller than Conner.

    Clent ,

    Well there’s your problem. You think smartphones are like children.

    In this world of yours, do Android phones take the short bus?

    there1snospoon ,

    No, that’s relegated to Huawei.

    KairuByte ,
    @KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    You’re literally describing every product line ever.

    Rai ,

    Wait til this guy finds out about CARS

    thorbot ,

    More clickbait bs. Oh right, Apple bad!

    sanpo ,

    Where’s the clickbait? Apple is bad for using an outdated standard out of spite.

    thorbot ,

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    Fisch ,
    @Fisch@lemmy.ml avatar

    USB-C is just the connector, not a protocol

    degrix ,
    @degrix@lemmy.hqueue.dev avatar

    It’s clickbait because they’re using last years chip like they always do. It’s not out of spite. The usb controller on the A16 Bionic does not support USB 3.0 because lightning never needed it. The A17 Pro in the pro models has an updated USB controller.

    Clent ,

    “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge”

    lando55 ,

    If this is true I must be the smartest person alive

    Clent ,

    You have revealed yourself to be an ignorant. It’s a statement only the ignorant believe could be true. Please collect your prize at the door.

    MeanEYE ,
    @MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

    You do realize USB2.0 predates iPhones and USB3.0 is 15 years old at this point? And no, USB controller is not part of the A17 chip and it never will be. IO is always separate, even Apple knows this.

    degrix ,
    @degrix@lemmy.hqueue.dev avatar

    I think you may be mistaken, friend. The USB 3.0 controller is part of the A17 Pro SoC. It was specifically called out during the keynote when discussing the A17 Pro. You can read about it here too: tomshardware.com/…/apple-a17-pro-3nm-iphone-15-pr…

    MeanEYE ,
    @MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

    Quite possible. Not sure why they would do that since there are plenty of IO chips out there, but it’s Apple… many things are a mystery.

    Dirk ,
    @Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

    This is why companies like Apple are malicious.

    webghost0101 ,

    More like standard capitalism. The usb c connectors are not slower then the lightning connectors so its not like they made it worse. They simply refused to make it better.

    A bit like Nvidia continuing to maken better gpu chips but refusing to have them release with a more VRAM.

    If course in a way, all for profit-companies are malicious. Extracting surplus value from workers and such.

    HeartyBeast ,
    @HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

    So - in your opinion - any company shipping a USB 2 device is 'malicious'?

    gamermanh ,
    @gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Apple was forced by the EU to stop using their old and worse connector

    So they’re complying, but they’re purposefully limiting the less expensive phone as a malicious compliance to that

    Pretty simple really

    HeartyBeast ,
    @HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

    So lightning cables offer transfer rates of 480Mb/s - USB 2.0 offers 625Mb/s. You are cross that they swapped out Lightning for USB on the main models and use USB 3 as a differentiator in the Pro models. Fair enough, but that's not 'malicious'. It's not even malicious compliance.

    SteveTech ,

    USB 2.0 is also 480Mbps.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    Lightning connectors are definitely worse than USB-C, but when they were introduced the alternative was micro USB which is objectively worse than Lightning cables.

    Of course, with wireless charging I haven't used an actual cable in five years so it doesn't matter that much to me.

    Dirk ,
    @Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

    You obviously don’t get the point. Educate yourself on Apple and USB-C, please.

    HeartyBeast ,
    @HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

    It doesn't sound like you actually have a rebuttal.

    June , (edited )

    You mean the Apple that provided more than 20% of the engineering force that developed USBC?

    Or the Apple that released the first USBC laptop to market?

    That Apple?

    Dirk ,
    @Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

    Or the apple that fought against USB-C for their phones since basically forever and now implemented it with USB 2? Yes, this one.

    Soulyezer ,

    Or because the base iPhone 15 uses last year’s Pro chip which didn’t have a USB3 controller.

    GrayBoltWolf ,
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    Soulyezer , (edited )

    And probably have a separate controller? I’m not very technical at all but I’d assume it’s much easier to fit a separate one on a large surface like the iPad has

    Edit: google confirms the iPads have a separate USB3 controller

    Jacobp100 ,

    I had a very quick check and I think iPads use an external chip for USB 3 - and there may just not have been space on the iPhone’s logic board for that. I think you’d have to judge it next year - since the base models seem to be using last year’s pro chips - if the base model doesn’t support 3.1 speeds then, something fishy is happening

    KairuByte ,
    @KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Apple does a lot of BS stuff, but are you trying to claim the controller in iPads and iPhones is the same, or comparable because of age? Because that’s like claiming the screens are the same, or comparable.

    narc0tic_bird ,

    There is no A16 iPad (yet?).

    Disgusted_Tadpole ,
    @Disgusted_Tadpole@lemmy.ml avatar

    My hair is a bird. Your argument is invalid.

    KevonLooney ,

    A Raspberry Pi from years ago has USB 3.1. Restricting the latest iPhone is just laughable.

    Ghostalmedia ,
    @Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

    Apple’s base model hardware usually uses last year’s pro chipsets. They’ve been doing this for a bit now.

    If the trend continues, next year the base model will get all the newer CPUs, micro controllers, etc.

    evanuggetpi ,

    Here’s the rational answer, folks. Anything else is your emotional response.

    lorez ,

    If the aim of a company is to maximize profits then every company in Apple’s stead would do the same thing. Not defending it but that’s the world we created.

    Nilz ,

    The fact that the Pro (or any device) supports a newer USB protocol doesn’t necessarily mean that it will be able to take advantage of the full speed. It might just be as slow as the non Pro with USB 2.0.

    NightAuthor ,

    The pro can stream a 4k60 ProRes video to an external drive via the usbc port. Idk what kind of bandwidth that uses. But should give some clue as to the actual speed capable with the port.

    Also, onboard storage is limited to 4k30 ProRes, possibly indicating the speed of built in storage.

    kirklennon ,

    iPhone 15 Pro tech specs page: “USB 3 (up to 10Gb/s)” with a footnote that says “USB 3 cable with 10Gb/s speed required.”

    A regular need for high-speed data transfers is legitimately a “pro” use case. You need the Pro model and you need to buy a thick, stiff high-speed cable.

    NRoach44 ,
    @NRoach44@lemmy.ml avatar

    I’m pretty certain that the USB IF decided to use the max possible Gbps as the cable rating, rather than the mess that was

    USB 3.0 USB 3.1 USB 3.1 (Gen 1) USB 3.1 (Gen 2) …

    So it’s more likely apple are just being specific in the type of cable you need.

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